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post #1 of 7
Thread Starter 
Hi!
My dd (4 1/2) seems to be going through a very tough time right now. I just don't know how concerned I should be.
She is basically fine at school (3 mornings a week, a co-op), according to her teacher, although she has always been known as somewhat of a drama queen of the quiet variety. "She's just really good at looking pathetic" is what both the 3-year old's teacher and the 4 year old teacher have said. But these moments pass quickly and she plays happily, enjoying her friends and taking part in all activities.
For about the last month at home, though, she has been doing this thing where one small thing will go wrong (she can't watch TV or eat cookies for breakfast, she gets a timeout, her sister (1 1/2) is playing with one of her toys and won't instantly hand it over) and after that nothing anyone says or does is acceptable. She screams, cries, throws things, kicks me if I try to comfort her, etc.- sometimes for up to an hour. She can't or won't tell me much of the time why she is crying
The part that confuses me the most is that sometimes I can hear her calming down, and then she seems to realize it and seems to urge herself on to louder screaming, like she WANTS to be feeling out of control. Or wants to make me crazy . Or needs something but can't articulate it, so is just screaming instead, in a sort of artificial kind of way.

So my question to everyone is, have you experienced this at this age? Is this normal? What I have been doing much of the time is to just carry her to a quiet room and give her space to scream herself out, since she REALLY doesn't want me to comfort her. Does anyone have other suggestions? If I am in the room with her a lot of the stuff gets directed at me ("I hate you, you're a bad mommy", etc.) and I find it very difficult to tolerate or ignore.
post #2 of 7
I recommend that you first rule out allergies. Many time allergies to foods can cause behavioral problems without other symptoms. Check out Doris Rapps "Is this Your Child " from your local public library and see if any of it rings a bell.

Does she have:
circles under eyes
a runny nose
bed wetting
rashes/hives

The above symptoms can be accompanied by allergies that cause behavioral disturbances but they don't HAVE to be. My son is allergic to many foods that just make him mean and there are no other symptoms. My son who is now 8 was verbally abusive to me every day until I changed his diet. Underneath it all he is a real sweety which I'm sure yours is too.
Good luck!
post #3 of 7
Just wanted to add I also have a 4.5 yr old girl and since she turned 4 I have seen a much bigger, more varied and extreme range of emotion than previously. I have noticed that the emotion seems to be toning down somewhat again recently (she is now 4 and 8 months) but I also saw an intensity and a kind of relish of high emotional states. First it was worrying but more and more I hear parents and preschool teachers talk about the intensity of 4s. They also recognize that words have power at 4. Fist I was mortified to hear " I don't want you to be my mommy! I want a new mommy etc" now I am already BTDT.

Sometimes my dd just says "I want to cry, why don't you let me cry?" - this is only because I cam trying to distract her because I can see her bringing on the hysteronics. Clues that maybe shes just really getting into the lose control, rollercoaster highs and lows of emotions are that she loves to watch herself bawling and screaming in the mirror! As I mentioned my dd seems to be calming down somewhat again. It may be something more serious but 4 yr olds seem to be drama queens (boys and girls) for a reason. They seem to be learing somthing developmentally about emotion and its power and how to control it and how to wreck havoc with it. Maybe talk to some wise preschool teachers that have seen it all before you get too worried. Just my ten cents.
post #4 of 7
Wanted to add that my dd also would have apparent "tamtrums" over nothing and it would go on for a long time and whatever I tried was not helping. In the end I suggested she go in the bedroom and cry and scream and do whatever and just come out and see me if she needed a hug. A few times she would shout at me "I hate you! I don't want you to be my mommy!" and slam the door only to come out ten minutes later and ask for a hug, and I would give her lots of lovey mommy time. She is my eldest and I woud have been horrified if you had described the above to me a year ago. My sweet little girl would never behave like that! There must be something wrong!

Well momma, live and learn. Cute little girls want to experience raging and other powerful emotions too. Especially because of the shocked response of mommy! I would try and stay calm and offer to be the port in the storm after she has worn herself out.
post #5 of 7
What the Duchess said.

My daughter is 10 y.o. now and is "experienceing" hormones. There's a startling resemblance between her now and when she was 4. When dd was 4 y.o. she was like the the stereotypical teen girl. And all my daughter's friend's moms report the same thing.

Dd used to like watching herself cry in the mirror. Now 5 y.o. ds does that sometimes, too.

Maybe there's something exceptional wrong. But at 4 y.o. I think it's too soon to know that. Not from what you've described.

Let her have her screaming fits. It feels good!
post #6 of 7
Thread Starter 

thanks

Hi gals, just an update-
Although it is just a few weeks later things have calmed down a lot around here. I guess it was just the "fearsome fours".
(But I am getting her evaluated for allergies, she's been coughing a lot.. I had her tested for food allergies when she was reeally little b/c of weight gain issues, all came back negative but I hear there are a lot of false negatives with blood testing...)
Thanks for the advice and support
post #7 of 7
I think its probably fairly normal behaviour for a child of that age. I am sure it will pass.
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