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post #1 of 56
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I just visited the in-laws (never a good tme to think about stuff) and I'm feeling so persecuted about my kid.

I think it's a combination of my husband's bad mood of late which is making him short tempered and his mother's lack of understanding and respect for normal kid behavior.

Or is it really that my child is so unusual?

The deal is this- my child is very, very sensitive- emotionally as well as physically. I like to treat her preferences with respect and try (within reason) to accommodate her tastes. I can't always make her world comfortable or perfect, but I don't get angry at her when she gets unhappy or upset. I don't see her getting angry as "bad behavior" or treat her tastes or feelings as unreasonable.

So- mealtime is really not fun with in-laws and g-parents. Dd is picky, picky, picky. It's not simply that she does not like ANY fruits and only eats a few vegetables. It's that she likes ice cream, but only chocolate, muchrooms, but only out of soup, olives, but only off pizza, popsicles, but only green and orange, bread, but not crusts, rice, but with soy sauce NOT butter, etc...

For a two year old, I don't think it's all that unusual that she only has maybe 20-30 foods she eats. The issue is that she won't eat the foods if they are mixed, or have sauce, etc.

It's not a nutrition issue- I think her diet is pretty OK. But her pickiness pisses people off. It's that simple. Grandparents act like it's a moral or nutritional or discipline issue. I feel like it's none of the above- it's just that two year olds are picky!!!! and it's anoying! Adults don't want to admit to this, so they make it all about the kid.

Sidenote- my husband is 33 years old and doesn't like the food on his plate to touch. He will only use 1 kind of razor and 1 kind of soap. There's a litany of food he won't eat and he regularly refuses fish he says tastes "fishy." His mother won't eat any vegetables that are not cooked to a mushy pulp, or any food with any kind of spiciness, or any fish i cook because it is not boiled untill rubbery. Oh yeah, she won't drink soy milk, or non-watery coffee. The two of them are very picky IMO. It's funny to me that dd's pickiness annoys them so much while my fil and I who are less picky BY FAR don't get worked up over it.

My other concern is pickiness/sensitivity in other areas. Dd hates getting the slightest bit wet, especially her shoes. She cries if you touch her with a hand that is wet (actually, my dh gets upset if you touch him while wet too- so maybe that's not so big.) She hates the feel of grass on her feet and often asks to be carried over grass. She wants the tags cut out of all clothes. She's beyond scared of the dark- she's almost scared of the shade. Oh, and won't use any toothpaste with any minty flavor.

Oh yeah- everything has to match. Well- preferably everything should match.

Sometimes I wonder if this is SID type stuff. She is very very coordinated physically, though she tends to avoid trying stuff she doesn't know if she can do right. She doesn't have any of the delay-type stuff that SID is associated with. She's been drinking from a normal cup for a while. Her fine motor skills are fantastic. Her functioning in most areas is advanced fr her age.

Also- she's not always quite that sensitive. Lately she seems to be in a bit of a phase of it. We just came out of a good 6 months with less sensitivity.

The thing is- the flip side of her sensitivity is that she is so kind and sensitive to others, especially if a person is scared or hurt of crying. She always tries to get band-aids for people who hurt themselves. She always asks what's wrong if someone cries or seems sad. She's so sweet and sensitive to others. It seriously melts my heart.

So here's my question- is there a real problem here? Does my dd sound like a normal 2-3 year old?

I hate the insinuation that I somehow have cuased her to be the way she is. I also hate the insinuation that I coddle her, ESPECIALLY when the insinuation is being made by people who have INSANELY SPECIFIC TASTES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!! Tastes, I may add, that I have to put up with all the time!

So should I look more into the SIDS thing? Or is there anything I can do to decrease sensitivity? Or should I just assume that dh and the grandparents simply don't know as much as I do (this is true, either way- my dh is not very informed about kids, doesn't go to playgroups, doesn't read book, etc.)

Thats for the input!
post #2 of 56
Sounds normal to me! Well, regarding your child, that is. My dp and my smother-in-law are extremely "particular" people, but G-d forbid if anyone else has specific needs. Then it's "your problem". Seems easy to say ignore them, but how about being less accomadating to their needs a time or two, and point out their reaction (in a very kind way)? Or say that she takes after her father's side?
post #3 of 56
Well there may or may not be some sensory issues there. She's still really young, and some of it (or all of it even) might just be normal kid stuff. I will say that I think you are doing the right thing. She deserves to have her likes and dislikes respected, and expressing anger or being upset is not bad behavior in my book either. She's a human with a wide range of emotions, and at her age is just starting to understand them better. Alot happens at 3 and 4 IMO.

I think your observations about your picky MIL and Dh are right on too. They see their own sensitivities (err picky behavior) in your Dd, and it highlights it for them I'd guess. No one ever told them that it's OK to not like spicy food or to prefer strong coffee, and that's a shame. In your position I would:

1. Continue handling your Dd the same way you are now... with gentleness, kindness, patience, and respect

2. Point out some things to your MIL (and Dh) about their own picky behavior in a casual, matter of fact way. The point being that everyone has preferences about what they eat, wear, etc. If someone forced your MIL to eat spicy food, and she became upset about it would that be "bad behavior" or would she just be expressing herself? If someone was requiring your Dh to use a different kind of razor and soap, and he protested does that mean someone is coddling him and he needs some discipline? These are the kinds of points I would be making to Dh and MIL.

In my opinion, keep it up Mama
post #4 of 56
If I were you I would feed dd before going to to visit. I would also bring her food already prepared in tupperware for a long day visit. I do this for my son and he's almost 4.

Why set her up? Why rely on someone else to get it right concerning her meal when they possibly couldn't know all her "requirements" for pleasure in eating? (I ask because I so have btdt)

You want her to grow up feeling that mealtime and eating is pleasurable and as her mommy you have every right to bring her rice with sauce not touching the greenbeans in her favorite divided children's tupperware dish. (You've seen these haven't you? they're great)

The inlaws get snippy because they feel inconvenienced by what they feel is capricious behavior. DOn't inconvenience them, bring her food.

Can ya tell I've btdt?
post #5 of 56
I like Pumpkinseeds pragmatic suggestions.

If I were you I would be mercilessly teasing my dh and MIL for their inconsistency.

I think it's pretty usual that children are like this at age two. I've definitely heard of the no food touching thing before.
post #6 of 56
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That's a good idea, pumpkin seeds. I do bring up some stuff, but not whole meals as you recommended. Maybe I should start. I have brought her a "special" meal to at least one high stress family meal (my mom's boyfriend- oh, the pressure!) It was a very, very good thing. Kept her calm and dinner pleasant.

The funny thing is that MIL sees the stuff we eat as "exotic" so it adds a weird vibe. She is born and bred in Michigan. She sees soy sauce as a bit exotic, thinks we're picky for liking real butter, and olive oil instead of corn and maple syrup that has something to do with trees. totally off topic, but in her mind these things are strange, foreign and posibly even picky to begin with.


Random whine:
I got so irritable at dh because we were at a big breakfast buffet with the in-laws and dd was sitting so nicely packing away a large amount of food. She picked up a sausage and started using her napkin to wipe off the eggs from it (sort of under the table.) Dh scolded her- I know it turns his very sensitive stomach to see dd do stuff like that. However, she wasn't whining that there was egg on the sausage, or crying for someone to get her a new one. She was handling the problem in a very reasonable and considerate manner for an almost three year old. What's more I KNOW that dh would avoid eating a sausage with egg on it himself!
post #7 of 56
I think what you described is normal 2 year old behavior. My 4 year old has sensory issues and they were much different than what you describe.
My younger son is nearly 2 and is also very sensitive. His current phase is wearing the same striped pj's ALL day. If we have to go out, his clothes need to go over the pj's. He is very picky about what kinds of shoes he'll wear and other similar stuff.
I agree with Pumpkin's suggestion. Always go prepared with a variety of "stand-by" foods that you know she will eat. It will make your visit much less stressful.
post #8 of 56
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Originally Posted by UnschoolnMa


2. Point out some things to your MIL (and Dh) about their own picky behavior in a casual, matter of fact way. The point being that everyone has preferences about what they eat, wear, etc. If someone forced your MIL to eat spicy food, and she became upset about it would that be "bad behavior" or would she just be expressing herself? If someone was requiring your Dh to use a different kind of razor and soap, and he protested does that mean someone is coddling him and he needs some discipline? These are the kinds of points I would be making to Dh and MIL.

In my opinion, keep it up Mama

Oh mama, would I love to. the thing is I think they both are of a mindset that young children should not be allowed (encouraged?) to have preferences. I think I'm dealing with some very deep stuff with them about feeling bad for their own sensitivity. My dh, I know, is very sensitive about being sensitive. He felt like a weak and girlish child, always more like his mother, and always with a runny nose.

My MIL had an almost abusive, very religious, depression era father who kinda did a number on her. At breakfast this morning, she offered dd some cherry preserves and dd made a face. She was totally shocked ( ) and said "If my father was here, he'd say........." The cute thing was, FIL said, "Your father is here."

I'm pretty sure that if I pointed out to MIL that everyone has preferences, she'd say that she wasn't allowed them as a kid. And I don't mean that in a reflective kinda way.

I know my own mother is so damagd by her childhood that it's hard for her to take a kid's perspective and I think my MIL is similar. My dh is only OK because his dad is fantastic.

I think it's hard for people who were made to feel embarrased about things as kids to learn to treat children with respect.
post #9 of 56
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Originally Posted by mommyofshmoo

Random whine:
Dh scolded her- I know it turns his very sensitive stomach to see dd do stuff like that. However, she wasn't whining that there was egg on the sausage, or crying for someone to get her a new one. She was handling the problem in a very reasonable and considerate manner for an almost three year old. What's more I KNOW that dh would avoid eating a sausage with egg on it himself!
I'm with you on this... Why exactly should she be scolded here? Seems she did a great job to me
post #10 of 56
I am sorry to say this, but I think that part of the problem is your response to your daughter's pickiness. I agree that probably a LOT of her pickiness is inherited, but I find in general that if you "go along with" a person's pickiness, they tend to get worse, not better. After awhile, their pickiness can become ritualistic and very controlling to the point of disturbing normal relationships, which is where I think you are now.

Two-year-olds ARE picky, but what you're describing seems very extreme to me:
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Dd is picky, picky, picky. It's not simply that she does not like ANY fruits and only eats a few vegetables. It's that she likes ice cream, but only chocolate, muchrooms, but only out of soup, olives, but only off pizza, popsicles, but only green and orange, bread, but not crusts, rice, but with soy sauce NOT butter, etc..
.

I do think this is a control issue. My suggestions or questions are these:

1. You may already be doing this, but consider giving her control over other things -- what she wears, how much she eats, what you're doing first/second/third that day, and so forth -- reasonable control within limits, but more control.

2. Show her how to be more self-sufficient -- can she put on her own clothes yet? Find something she can almost do and then encourage her to do it. This will give her more control over her world.

3. I would stop copping to the pickiness. I wouldn't serve her things she really *hates,* but I also wouldn't go out of my way to make sure that the popsicles are the right color or that there's no celery in her soup, or whatever the one thousand food requirements are. If she wants a popsicle and there are only purple ones, give her a choice: purple or nothing. Her call.

As far as mealtimes, I'd serve her things you're already eating yourselves -- no specialty meals. Give into that idea and you really become not only a short-order cook, but one with an audience continually looking for yet one more picky requirement. The problem is not the food. The problem is the lack of control. I would serve the food and then THAT IS IT.

If she wants to eat it -- her choice.
If she wants to eat a certain quantity of it -- her choice.
If she wants to eat nothing -- her choice.

If she wants you to cook something else? NO. That is *your* choice. You've provided her with a good, nutritious meal and it's up to her to eat it or not.

When she is an adult or when she can prepare her own food, she gets to be as picky as her heart desires because that will be her choice. She won't be imposing her pickiness on anyone else, which is what she's doing.

Anyway, this might not be what you wanted to hear. I think your in-laws are being quite hypocritical, for what it's worth.
post #11 of 56
I think your daughter is normal and your husband and MIL are weird.

Rain was pretty much the same way at that age. Now, at 12, she eats pretty much anything, sleeps anywear, wears clothes with all sorts of prickly, itchy bits (because they look so good), and is generally flexible.

I did what you're already doing - made her something she'd eat, although she always had the option of trying my stuff. Generally she didn't, sometimes she did.

Biologically spekaing, ages 2-6 is when a child's immune system isn't fully developed yet but they're not exclusively nursing, so being "picky" makes sense. Throughout most of human history, new foods or mixed foods were more likely to be spoiled or poisonous, so sticking with the familiar and separate when your immunities aren't all there makes perfect sense.

When you said that clothes had to match I remembered Rain being the same way... except that her idea of what "matched" was a little different. Anything with flowers, for example, matched anything else with flowers, so an orange and red Hawaiian shirt covered with hibiscus flowers went just fine with pale pink leggings that had tinybpurple flowers on them... and so on. It was great...

Dar
post #12 of 56
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Originally Posted by Charles Baudelaire

Two-year-olds ARE picky, but what you're describing seems very extreme to me:.

I do think this is a control issue. My suggestions or questions are these:

1. You may already be doing this, but consider giving her control over other things -- what she wears, how much she eats, what you're doing first/second/third that day, and so forth -- reasonable control within limits, but more control.

2. Show her how to be more self-sufficient -- can she put on her own clothes yet? Find something she can almost do and then encourage her to do it. This will give her more control over her world.

3. I would stop copping to the pickiness. I wouldn't serve her things she really *hates,* but I also wouldn't go out of my way to make sure that the popsicles are the right color or that there's no celery in her soup, or whatever the one thousand food requirements are. If she wants a popsicle and there are only purple ones, give her a choice: purple or nothing. Her call.

As far as mealtimes, I'd serve her things you're already eating yourselves -- no specialty meals. Give into that idea and you really become not only a short-order cook, but one with an audience continually looking for yet one more picky requirement. The problem is not the food. The problem is the lack of control. I would serve the food and then THAT IS IT.

If she wants to eat it -- her choice.
If she wants to eat a certain quantity of it -- her choice.
If she wants to eat nothing -- her choice.

If she wants you to cook something else? NO. That is *your* choice. You've provided her with a good, nutritious meal and it's up to her to eat it or not.

When she is an adult or when she can prepare her own food, she gets to be as picky as her heart desires because that will be her choice. She won't be imposing her pickiness on anyone else, which is what she's doing.

Anyway, this might not be what you wanted to hear. I think your in-laws are being quite hypocritical, for what it's worth.
Often there are only purple popsicles, and she chooses not to eat them, and that's OK. She does eat what we eat for dinner. I don't do special meals. (Breakfast and lunch are pretty free for all and we often eat different things but that's our choice.)

We also go out and to friend's houses. She'll usually eat part of a meal and leave the other. No big. We know other kids who are less picky, and others who eat a few foods too.

I don't think I really "cater" to her whims all that much- granted, if she's on a roll with certain foods I do stock up- like most parents do. But if we run out, she has to eat something else.

She dresses herself and has a lot of choice in her life. She's very picky about clothes, but it's not like I run out and buy whatever outfit she imagines she wants.

Basically- she wears what's in the closet and eats what we have in the house. It's not like she never complains or has a meltdown about something we don't have or that is wrong, but sais la vie- she's a toddler.

At the grandparents I tend to want to avoid meltdowns, and the easiest way to do that, I feel, is to translate what she's saying and inform them of her desires.

Like, if she says "warmer" about a bath- she actually means "not hot" which means "colder." It helpful to have this kind of info when dealing with a kid IMO, but I think sometimes people take it personally and don't understand why a kid is screaming No!No! as you make their already too hot bath even hotter.

But today i explained to MIL that if she makes dd fried eggs she'll only eat the whites, so better to make scrambled and I got criticized. I remember only liking whites as a kid, too. and some kids liked yolks only. I don't think it's all that unusual.

I'm not trying to get defensive, but I don't think I cater to her whims any more than I cater to my husband's or my boss's. (Maybe I cater to them too much, but who's to say?"
post #13 of 56
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Originally Posted by Dar

Biologically spekaing, ages 2-6 is when a child's immune system isn't fully developed yet but they're not exclusively nursing, so being "picky" makes sense. Throughout most of human history, new foods or mixed foods were more likely to be spoiled or poisonous, so sticking with the familiar and separate when your immunities aren't all there makes perfect sense.
It's interesting because my picky husband and MIL have totally allergic constitutions. My allergy ridden brother ate very very few things as well.

The thing is that dd started eating solids REALLY late. She would have stuck mainly to breastmilk untill 2 if I hadn't pushed foods. She still nurses though I'm PG and she doesn't get anything. I didn't mind nursing, but she would have chosen to nurse almost exclusively and as she is not a small child I would have been doing it all day.

I think that tendency had to do with an allergic constitution, though she's mostly healthy.

To this day, however, she has a hard time thinking of eating when hungry. She thinks to nurse first a lot of the time (even though there's no milk.) I have to remind her and refuse nursing to get her to eat.

Most people say, "Well if you starve them they'll eventually eat." That's not really the case with her. When she gets very hungry she just starts crying and asking to nurse. She didn't like the menu at daycare one day of the week months ago and she just didn't eat all day. I'd pick up a hysterical mess at the end of the day. After four months of the same foods every thursday she still wouldn't eat them.

Anyway- I think there's something to the allergy-prevention theory.

Now, if there's a way to stop people from being irritated when your child picks the pieces out of friend rice.
post #14 of 56
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I could only bear to skim read the responses to your post, mama.

You could be describing my dd two years ago. To a T. My dd has SID.

SID is not normal two year old, picky behaviour. It is a condition that can be totally dehabilitating. It is NOT YOUR FAULT. Not in any way, shape or form. Unless you have lived with a child with SID you simply cannot understand. Some of the things that you describe are not normal to two year olds. Some of the advice you have been given here, although it is well-meant, if your child has SID, is really not at all useful. What's more, it may make you feel more helpless and defensive. (boy, I feel defensive just reading here, and had to skim as I was reminded of all the times I"ve been told that I cater to my child's 'pickiness' )

What's more, some of the advice you will get from parents of normal children would be to do things that would be downright cruel to a child with SID. SID is not pickiness. If I were to put an outfit on my child that she had not personally picked out as being wearable, she would be in pain. If I were to be firm over food in the way that is suggested by some posters here, she would starve. Literally, because if she put that food into her mouth, she would gag and throw up. It is a physical response, not something that she can choose to control.

I cannot urge you strongly enough to get her to an OT who specialises in SID and get an assessment done.

Have you read The Out of Sync Child? When I read it, a light bulb went off for me, the stresses of three years lifted off my shoulders, and I cried. And I do not cry easily. Also, you may want to check out the SID threads in special needs, there are mamas there dealing daily with the sorts of things you describe. They are a wonderful source of information and support.

OF course, if she turns out to not have SID and is simply being typical, ignore my post - I don't have a lot of experience with 'normal' so can't advise.

HTH
post #15 of 56
I wouldn't worry about it in a toddler. From what you say it doesn't sound like you're spoiling her; I think it's just a phase. People do get too worked up over pickiness in small children- I don't think it's a real problem unless it starts interfering with life progressing happily. I agree with the pp's who advised packing food she likes if MIL is going to make that much of a big deal about it. She's just being a normal 2 yr old.
post #16 of 56
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Originally Posted by Britishmum

What's more, some of the advice you will get from parents of normal children would be to do things that would be downright cruel to a child with SID. SID is not pickiness. If I were to put an outfit on my child that she had not personally picked out as being wearable, she would be in pain. If I were to be firm over food in the way that is suggested by some posters here, she would starve. Literally, because if she put that food into her mouth, she would gag and throw up. It is a physical response, not something that she can choose to control.
It's funny, I posted a few months ago about clothes issues before I gave up and just let dd choose her own clothes, even if I thought they weren't warm enough.

Several moms uggested that I "matter of factly" dressed her against her will.

I was like YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND!!!!!!! I hear you about the very real pain thing. Making her do things against her will is an all-out fight that causes her real pain sometimes.

Yeah, sometime she is just being 2 and if I follow through she gets over it.... But the picky stuff- this doesn't match, the pants are uncomfortable, I don't like this food, the grass is tickly- there's just no way to draw her attention away from it or to make her "get over it."

I get the sense that she's borderline SID I should read that book.

She's so highly capable for her age and always has been. But her senstivity holds her back a lot. Her emotions are way behind her intellect.

Gotta run. Maybe I'll PM you.
post #17 of 56
Some of what you are saying sounds very familar to me. One thing you have to embrace is that it's OK to be sensitive. It does make some things a bit trickier, for sure. I got so much out of the books 'The Highly Sensitive Child" and "The Highly Sensitive Adult". I found them very comforting, with tremendous insight. Remember too, that not everything 'tricky' is pathology.

BTW, your child is eating a lot of different foods that many toddlers won't eat.
post #18 of 56
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Originally Posted by UUMom

BTW, your child is eating a lot of different foods that many toddlers won't eat.
Don't I know it! She likes sushi (refused to eat cooked fish even for a while) every kind of fish, sometimes seaweed, pesto sauce. Basically she has expesive tastes.


Seriously- she likes macadamian and pine nuts, but few others. Thank god for trader Joe's!

Luckily she really like Pho, which balances it out.

I also hear what you're saying about pathology.

I want to read the "Out of Sinc Child" just to see what I think.

She may just be very sensitive. There may be a fine line between very sensitive and SID, and during rough patches, very sensitive kids may start to overlap with the SID type problems.





Thanks so much everyone for your help- lots of good food for thought going on!
post #19 of 56
Did you see the thread under the main Tribe section called mothering the highly sensitive child? http://www.mothering.com/discussions...d.php?t=196898
http://www.hsperson.com/

Your dd sounds normal to me, just sensitive. Based on all your posts, you seem like a great mom who has developed her mothering style based on her child's needs.
post #20 of 56
I read Sensitive Child - didnt resonate 100%, then Out of Sync Child and wham it hit me between the eyes. You'll know as you read - trust your instincts.

Dont be fooled though by assuming there has to be developmental delay - a lot of children with SID are not delayed. My dd, for example, is gifted.
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