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post #1 of 30
Thread Starter 
I am wondering about probiotics for my 4 mo ds with eczema. I have been taking a probiotic for a week or so- figuring that they will pass through my milk to him (he is exclusively bf). Then I noticed a post that talked about a probiotic supplement intended for babies. Has anyone else had any luck with this or knows which method is best? We are also taking fatty acids and i have eliminated Dairy, wheat and soy- altho nothing seems to be helping and I am very frustrated and discouraged. It is so hard to see a baby so itchy! And hard fo us too- we cant walk away or he starts itching.

Thanks
post #2 of 30
Baby Jarrodophilus is one that is highly recommended here
http://www.jarrow.com/products/BabYsJarroDophilus.htm

When my guy was young, I found the best way was to sprinkle a little on my nipple several times a day.
post #3 of 30
It's not really likely they pass through bm. The milk does selectively nurture probiotic bacteria & he will pick up whatever happens to be on your skin or hands but I prefer to directly supplement an allergic babe. I've used the baby ones by Jarrow, Nature's Way & Nutrition Now. I really prefer Jarrow's products.

Have you read the eczema article in Mothering this month? Lots of goodies in there that you might try.
post #4 of 30
Thread Starter 
Yup, I almost cried for joy when I got this last issue and saw that it had an article on eczema- we have been struggling so much! We have tried just about everything- and at this point I am pretty frustrated because his skin actually looks really good and the rash is almost gone but he is still intensely itchy....always rubbing at his face. His scalp is also really itchy- altho his cradle cap is way better and if you were to look, you cant see any reason for his discomfort. I take it that this probably means that he is not clear of allergens yet?

Thanks for help!
post #5 of 30
Sometimes it can take a while for that to settle down after you eliminate the allergens. I developed a food allergy & was breaking out in a rash all over my face, neck & chest back around Christmas. I finally figured out what it was & eliminated it in January but the rash didn't completely go away for several weeks.
post #6 of 30
I've been giving my little guy kefir since about 6mo. Not a lot, but a few sips when I drink it. I know that all the good germies are in there because I brew it myself. You may want to look into getting some kefir grains, they even had it listed in the article on eczema in mothering this issue.
post #7 of 30
I don't know that much about Kefir (just read up on the subject at this site) but assuming some of it was made from dairy, does that mean that a baby with a sensitivity to dairy would not have issues consuming kefir (because the grains ferment the milk to the extent that this is not an issue) or should kefir be avoided in these cases?
post #8 of 30
I have read that people who are lactose intolerant can drink kefir. I think that the Dom says the kefir grains eat the milk and the kefir is a different substance.

I have a hard time with dairy products (even yogurt) and kefir doesn't bother me. If I were to try it on someone with dairy alergies I would allow it to "ripen" on my counter for about 3 days before hand.

Come to think of it my daughter had really rashy skin before we started the kefir and now I don't even think about it anymore. She was however a little over 2 when she started to drink it. My son who drank it from pretty early on has never ever had any problems with his skin.

I have extra kefir grains if anyone would like some. PM me.
post #9 of 30
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As for Kefir and dairy allergies- being allergic to dairy is different than being lactose intolerant. It is the proteins in milk that trigger an allergy not the lactose. I dont know whether the fermentation process for kefir breaks down milk enough to eliminate these but i doubt it.
post #10 of 30
Yes Owens Mama that is exactly what I was wondering. I know the kefir grains change the lactose quite dramatically, but I don't know if the protein changes at all.
post #11 of 30
Lactobacilli and yeasts both degrate casein. Whether or not a dairy sensitive person can tolerate either yogurt or milk kefir depends on the person's degree of sensitivity, microbial concentration, duration of fermentation and volume and frequency of consumption. Personally, kefir kinda iggies me out though.
post #12 of 30
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Originally Posted by amnesiac
Personally, kefir kinda iggies me out though.
I have to say that this is kinda true for me too :

I'm giving the grains a go again but I don't crave it like the powdered kind from Body Ecology. I love this b/c it's so easy and reproduces exactly the same taste every time. It's a smoother curd too, and of course you don't have the oogy grains to deal with.

You can make a lot from just one envelope if you divide it the right way (one packet makes 1 qt., which then you can make up to a gallon 7 times.) However, I figured out if you take the first quart and make multiple batches, then those batches can go 7 times, etc. etc. I have been putting some in the frig. to culture very slowly and some on the counter to culture first.

But I'm trying my best with the grains right now and seeing if I can develop a system to get exactly the kind of kefir I want from them. Trial and error is a pia, but even with the amount I'm spending on the powdered kefir, it's no where near the cost for powdered probiotics and I feel tons better.
post #13 of 30

Kefir from goat's milk?

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Originally Posted by JaneS

I'm giving the grains a go again but I don't crave it like the powdered kind from Body Ecology. I love this b/c it's so easy and reproduces exactly the same taste every time. It's a smoother curd too, and of course you don't have the oogy grains to deal with.
Are there different ways to start kefir? Grains vs. powder? I bought the packets from body ecology as well and I didn't know there were other ways to do it. I got some raw goats milk the other day and it is fermenting right now. DD's eczema does seem to break out when I eat dairy-got a definite break out from ultra pastuerized whipping cream I ate the other day-so I'm going to see what happens with the kefir.

I was also going to try to make the kefir from the young coconut water-especially if the dairy version doesn't work.

I've also made the raw cultured vegetables from the recipe on the Body Ecology site http://www.bodyecologydiet.com/cveggies.php

I loved the liquid it produced, so when I found this, I thought it might be worth trying... has anyone else tried it or something like it?

http://f2.grp.yahoofs.com/v1/AHKHQp5...%20Candida.htm
The easiest and least expensive way to plant healthy bacteria in the digestive tract is to take Cabbage Rejuvelac.
Cabbage Rejuvelac Recipe
Cabbage is a vegetable that is teeming with lactobacteria. No starter is needed for making rejuvelac.
Start one morning by blending together 1-3/4 cups distilled or purified water plus 3 cups of coarsely chopped, loosely packed fresh cabbage. Start the blender at low speed and then advance the blender to high speed and blend for 30 more seconds.
Pour into a jar, cover, and let stand at room temperature for 3 days.
After 3 days, strain off the liquid rejuvelac. The initial batch of cabbage rejuvelac takes 3 days to mature, but succeeding batches take 24 hours each.
Each morning after straining off the fresh rejuvelac, blend together 1-1/2 cups of distilled or purified water plus 3 cups of coarsely ground, loosely packed fresh cabbage, for 30 seconds at high speed.
Pour it into a jar and add 1/4 cup of the fresh rejuvelac just strained off, cover, shake, and let it stand at room temperature until the next morning.
Cabbage rejuvelac can also be made without using a blender. Just chop the cabbage very fine and use 2-1/2 cups replacing the 3 cups in the recipe above with the same amount of water.
Good quality rejuvelac tastes similar to a cross between carbonated water and the whey obtained when making yogurt. Bad quality rejuvelac has a much more putrid odour and taste and should not be consumed. Avoid using tap water because chlorine will interfere with the production of the bacteria. Boiling tap water for 30 minutes uncovered will remove chlorine.
Refrigerate rejuvelac if it is to be kept overnight. Discard any rejuvelac on hand 24 hours after it is poured off the cabbage.
Taking Rejuvelac - Drink each day's rejuvelac during the course of the day by taking 1/2 cup three times per day, preferably with meals.
To implant a healthy population of lactobacteria in the intestinal tract take rejuvelac for 1 to 3 months. The value of rejuvelac should not be confused with that of freeze-dried acidophilus. Rejuvelac contains live lactobacteria but freeze dried lactobacteria die in a few weeks' time.
People who have candida are very sensitive to yeast so they should make a new batch every time, but they could start 3 jars 3 days in a row so they do not run out.
post #14 of 30
Jumping in here... Since you're all on the topic, does anyone know if Sauerkraut is a good cultured veggie to eat? I wasn't sure how it was made but I was under the assumption that is was just feremnted cabbage. Had to take dairy out of my diet as well as DD is sensitive to it (even goat yogurt!)and have been too afraid to try kefir because of the milk proteins. Would make coconut kefir or cultured veggies but just don't have the time. Found Sauerkraut at Whole Foods that is just cabbage and sea salt.
post #15 of 30
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Originally Posted by mtnfaerie
Jumping in here... Since you're all on the topic, does anyone know if Sauerkraut is a good cultured veggie to eat? I wasn't sure how it was made but I was under the assumption that is was just feremnted cabbage. Had to take dairy out of my diet as well as DD is sensitive to it (even goat yogurt!)and have been too afraid to try kefir because of the milk proteins. Would make coconut kefir or cultured veggies but just don't have the time. Found Sauerkraut at Whole Foods that is just cabbage and sea salt.
Yes, if it is fermented the traditional way. Kimchi too. But I don't know if canning process introduces heat and therefore kills the beneficial bacteria.
Trust me, I'm insanely stressed for time, I'm a WAHM and I understand. But I think if you make fermented foods yourself, they are way stronger than anything you can buy.

Cultured veggies are really so easy, they take no time whatsoever. For cucumber for example, you cut them up, add whey or culture packet, filtered water, salt, mustard seed. Let sit on counter for 2-3 days. Refrigerate. They're done.
post #16 of 30
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Originally Posted by sarahariz
Are there different ways to start kefir? Grains vs. powder? I bought the packets from body ecology as well and I didn't know there were other ways to do it. I got some raw goats milk the other day and it is fermenting right now. DD's eczema does seem to break out when I eat dairy-got a definite break out from ultra pastuerized whipping cream I ate the other day-so I'm going to see what happens with the kefir.

I was also going to try to make the kefir from the young coconut water-especially if the dairy version doesn't work.

I've also made the raw cultured vegetables from the recipe on the Body Ecology site http://www.bodyecologydiet.com/cveggies.php

I loved the liquid it produced, so when I found this, I thought it might be worth trying... has anyone else tried it or something like it?

http://f2.grp.yahoofs.com/v1/AHKHQp5...%20Candida.htm
The easiest and least expensive way to plant healthy bacteria in the digestive tract is to take Cabbage Rejuvelac.
Yes, see here for info on kefir from grains. It's also known as "real" kefir.
http://users.chariot.net.au/~dna/kefirpage.html

'Nourishing Traditions' and 'Wild Fermentation' are two cookbooks which are excellent on the topic of fermented foods. NT recommends sea salt to inhibit putrifeying bacteria for a couple days until the lactobacillus takes hold.

I drink the cucumber water now too but I can't say I love it. Not sure about that cabbage water... ! The things we do for our health!!! :LOL
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post #18 of 30
I heard that the FDA requires commercial sauerkrauts to be pasteurized, but I'm not 100% sure if that's true. I guess it would say on the label somewhere. Wild Fermentation is an awesome little book. Sandor has kraut directions up on his website:
http://www.wildfermentation.com/makingsauerkraut.htm

And a very simple one from Alton Brown:
http://www.foodnetwork.com/food/reci..._27001,00.html
post #19 of 30
Info on saurkraut made from live kefir grains:
http://users.chariot.net.au/~dna/kefirkraut.html
post #20 of 30

raw sauerkraut

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Originally Posted by mtnfaerie
Jumping in here... Since you're all on the topic, does anyone know if Sauerkraut is a good cultured veggie to eat?
It has to say "raw" on it and be in the refrigerated section-if just on a shelf it has been pasteurized. It is available in the health food stores where I live, but it is very expensive. When I used to live in Berkeley, CA, it was sold at the Farmer's Market at a more reasonable price http://www.womensinitiative.org/food.htm
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