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post #21 of 80
I also wanted to second Lindsay's post.
post #22 of 80
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Originally Posted by spatulagirl
Because legally it is theirs. I can't go on to the McDonald's site and use their photographs for something I am selling in hopes to make more money than I bought it for (say collector's item). I can't use their photos on my personal website and vice versa.

So if I have a one of a kind KP and then use Maria's photograph to sell it on Ebay, I am stealing. Unless I have her permission.
But I still think I must be missing something-mommy brain i guess. Why would they care if you use their pictures? How does it harm them? And how would it make you more money to use their pictures?

I am so not trying to be a pita i just don't understand the problem.
post #23 of 80
A site, a photograph, as in the photographer mama, a song...is the property of *that* person. Just like with anything you have to *ask* to use it. Maybe not in the instance of someone's blouse, for example, the former items are (not sure about the copyright process, per say) they may be covered by the federal copyright law and copying it would be an enfringement of that law.

In the case of Ebay, some items are in demand and we know the bids go over retail.

Basically, the property, in this case, the website is theirs and they need the courtesy and legally, to grant permission for you to use it.

Its a bit early for me to tackle copyright...am I making sense?
post #24 of 80
so it wouldn't be okay to put a link to the website you bought the diaper from?
post #25 of 80
Quote:
Originally Posted by chrissy
so it wouldn't be okay to put a link to the website you bought the diaper from?
No, that's just fine if you are using the link to give the buyer more info on the product/site. But, if you use pictures from said website, then that is stealing. Basically, if you didn't take the picture yourself, it's not yours!
post #26 of 80
So is it ok to post photos a wahm took if you arent trying to sell the item? Its still their property right?

But I know we all do that all the time - myself included. I just posted a pic of the custom Luxe set Jesse made me. She took the pic and PMed it to me and I posted it here to share (brag : ). Isnt that still her property?

Or does it not matter because I am not trying to sell the set - just share?
post #27 of 80
I'm a little confused too... I must be the only one who has never noticed this kind of misuse?
post #28 of 80
Technically it does not matter whether you received the picture in an e-mail, the internet, etc. Whomever owns the picture must give you specific consent to use the image. It is theirs to use as they see fit. I think in most cases misuse of a photograph is innocent but that still does not make it right. I think it is best to err on the side of caution and respect and just ask the WAHM for permission.
post #29 of 80
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Originally Posted by Mami
I'm a little confused too... I must be the only one who has never noticed this kind of misuse?
Now that I am thinking about it I see this a LOT here. I think people do it innocently wanting to show off their latest buy but it is still an infringement of copyright/ownership issues when an image is used with express consent of the owner. Prior to this thread, though, I must admit I never thought about the copyright issues. :
post #30 of 80
Quote:
She took the pic and PMed it to me and I posted it here to share (brag ). Isnt that still her property?

Or does it not matter because I am not trying to sell the set - just share?
I am not an expert in copyright law, but I used to work in publishing so I have a little bit of knowledge (maybe just enough to be dangerous).

It is still her property and it it still technically illegal to post it even if all you want to do is share your joy.

However, a copyright holder would not be able to prove damages if you were only sharing, so there would most likely be no legal penalties for such misuse.

If a WAHM sends you a photo in an email, you can always ask if you can post it! She'll probably say yes and everyone will be happy.
post #31 of 80
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by vkberes
Technically it does not matter whether you received the picture in an e-mail, the internet, etc. Whomever owns the picture must give you specific consent to use the image. It is theirs to use as they see fit. I think in most cases misuse of a photograph is innocent but that still does not make it right. I think it is best to err on the side of caution and respect and just ask the WAHM for permission.


I think most WAHMs do email pics so that you can share pics with your friends so in that case maybe its an implied consent? I am not sure, I always ask first just to err on the side of caution. I think the real rub is when someone uses a WAHMs pictures to sell things on ebay/TP etc - especially when they will make a profit (which i have no problem with... just clairfying, LOL)... it just feels like a kick in the gutt to the WAHM.
post #32 of 80
I think I am guilty of this too!

But I am confused too...we cant post actual pix on MDC so are we talking about links in the TP?
post #33 of 80
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by radish
I think I am guilty of this too!

But I am confused too...we cant post actual pix on MDC so are we talking about links in the TP?
what I have seen a lot of is people saving the WAHMs picture from their site to their computer, then using it in ebay auctions. Tho it happens on the TP too.. i think its mostly ebay auctions I have seen it
post #34 of 80
In my mind, it's like getting professional pictures taken of your child. If I go to Sears and get L's pics taken, they post them on the web and I can show anyone I want. But if I start trying to print pictures from their files, therefore causing Sears to lose revenue, that is illegal.

So, if you are just showing people the picture because you want to show-off an item, and you are giving all the appropriate credit like "This is the picture that the WAHM sent me of the soaker she knit, isn't it great?" I don't think that is wrong. But if you are using someone else's picture to sell an item, therefore making revenue off of that other person in any way, that is wrong unless you have permission.

Right?

Tara
post #35 of 80
In the case of trying to sell something - which I realize is what this entire post is about - I totally agree. Its the WAHMs property and the person trying to use the pic should get permission.

In this case:

Quote:
Originally Posted by chickabiddy
It is still her property and it it still technically illegal to post it even if all you want to do is share your joy.
I would think that most wahms dont care. I know if I were a wahm I wouldnt think twice about someone posting pics here of my stuff - that is how they generate business, word of mouth. Especially in a business like cloth diapers. I never would have thought to ask if I could post a pic of a custom peice of fluff that the wahm sent me because to me its BETTER for her if I do - like free advertising.

Also, I think if a wahm did want people to ask permission to use their photos to post here most people probably wouldnt do it (post the photos I mean) - I know I wouldnt. I would just keep my joy to myself
post #36 of 80
Quote:
I would think that most wahms dont care. I know if I were a wahm I wouldnt think twice about someone posting pics here of my stuff - that is how they generate business, word of mouth. Especially in a business like cloth diapers. I never would have thought to ask if I could post a pic of a custom peice of fluff that the wahm sent me because to me its BETTER for her if I do - like free advertising.
I actually feel the same way. But it doesn't matter how you or I feel about it -- the photo is not our property and therefore we don't get to make the call about whether it's "better" to post it or not.

Edited to add that I realize I'm portraying a more hostile situation than I intend. I'm sure most WAHMs don't mind you sharing your joy, and I suspect that many would even give permission to use their pix on eBay or the TP. I don't mean to imply that WAHMs are hostile litigious people because I know most are not! But IMO it's still not right to violate their copyrights.
post #37 of 80
Quote:
Originally Posted by chickabiddy
I actually feel the same way. But it doesn't matter how you or I feel about it -- the photo is not our property and therefore we don't get to make the call about whether it's "better" for you to post it or not.
Oh ITA - I know its a legal issue. I just think as a wahm I would make it standard that my photos could be used in cases like this so people would share and send more customers my way!
post #38 of 80
I've always been a bit uncertain about this issue and that's why I never post pics to share of items until I actually get it, even though I may have a pic in my inbox. Even though most wahm's don't mind at all.

Here's what I find funny. The fluffymail mamas are so nice. I had a custom order that I shared with someone and she decided she didn't want her diaper. I went the TP to sell one (to recover my money, for what I paid) and my camera wasn't working. I was trying to explain the diaper instead and then along came a fluffymail mama and posted a pic for me. :LOL

Another thing about using your own pic though when it comes to sales- it proves that a) you have the item and b) it's condition. I think it's preferable even if the picture isn't "as good".
post #39 of 80
Thread Starter 
I remember that LOL I felt bad you got "stuck" with an extra diaper :LOL
post #40 of 80
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Originally Posted by mama2kyla
I remember that LOL I felt bad you got "stuck" with an extra diaper :LOL
:LOL but I was not "stuck" with it for very long! I thought that was you but I couldn't remember for sure. In retrospect I should have kept the diaper though. At the time I had this crazy idea that I didn't "need" it because I had enough diapers already:LOL
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