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UPDATE #2 ~ "Breastfeeding photos are pornography."  

post #1 of 135
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I just have to vent. I am ENRAGED, and trying to calm myself down by writing this.

My dh and I enjoy photography. It’s a hobby of ours. We normally get our photos printed through an online service. Tonight, however, we decided to get some printed at a local store.

When we went to pick them up, I walked up and gave the name they were under, and the woman behind the counter said coldly, “Yes, I’ve been waiting for you.”

I knew this couldn’t be good… So I waited to see what she would say. She pulled out the pictures and laid them on the counter and said, “You can’t print professional photos.”

I said, “These aren’t professional photos. My husband and I took these.”

She said, “I can tell these are professional.”

I said, “I don’t know how to convince you. We took these. It’s a hobby of ours.”

She said, “I’m not releasing them.”

My husband said, “So you’re penalizing us because we have good equipment and take good photos?”

She was kind of dumbfounded for a minute and then abruptly changed the subject and said, “Well, besides that, some of these are illegal.”

I said, “What do you mean?”

She said, “Well, they are indecent,” and she pointed to my nursing photos.

I said, “What’s wrong with them?”

And no kidding, she yelled out, “This is pornography!”

***Ok, I have to say that I am a calm person, but this set me off.***

I could barely contain myself, and I said, “Ma’am, this is NOT pornography. It is not indecent. It is not immoral.”

My 9 month old son was with me. She said, “This IS pornography, and I am offended by these photos.”

I asked, “Why?”

She said, “Because it shows your… your….” And then she stammered and stuttered and looked embarrassed.

I said, “Are you trying to say nipple?”

She said, “Yes, that!

And I said, “Actually my nipple does not show in any of those photos.”

She said, “Well it’s still wrong, and I’m not giving you these photos.”

I said, “I am not leaving this store until you hand over those photos. I will stand here all night if I have to.”

She said, “You’re going to get me fired.”

I said and I really was trying to be nice, “I’m not trying to get you fired. In fact, I’ll be happy to explain every bit of this to your manager.”

She declined of course, and then we were all just standing there.

So I said, “Can I please have my photos?”

She ignored me and said, “You do not have a right to feed him. He does not need to be breastfed.”

”Yes, I do,” I said. “I could feed him right here.”

She said, “No, you can’t. I have a right not to see it. You do not have a right to feed him.”

***And here is where I lost it. I shouldn’t have said this, and in fact, I feel quite remorseful, but I was so angry that it just came out, and I do not intend to offend anyone reading this with the next statement because I know there are MANY MANY wonderful formula feeding moms, and it does NOT mean they love their children any less, but I was caught in the moment and I honestly couldn’t help myself, but this is so unlike me.***

So it just came out of my mouth, “You were a formula feeder, weren’t you?”

She threw the photos at me and then threw several things around the photo lab.

We took our photos and left.

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For the record, here are a few of the photos that she called “pornography.” (I’ve shared some of them on here before.)

A little sip once, a little sip twice...

On a beautiful evening

Such peace

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Anyway, after writing all this out, I no longer feel angry. Now I just feel tired and most of all sad.

Sad to live in a world where breastfeeding is still perceived as "wrong."

Sad to look at my son and think some others find the way that I choose to feed him as "immoral."

Sad that I don't know how to make it all right.
post #2 of 135
If I were you, I don’t think I could resist getting management (up to the top) involved. What a strange thing. To me, they either need to quote a policy based on law or keep their mouths shut!

I certainly wouldn’t have managed it any better. Sorry this hurt you.

Off to check the pics...
post #3 of 135


They are BEATIFUL photos!!!!

I think it's very sad that the photos are viewed as pornography

If it were me (and not saying anyone should do this), I would probably choose to print them at home, just b/c who knows what wacko out there would try to call you in on these- I actually read an article or letter in Mothering about such an incident- the children were threatened, or taken away, and the couple used photos from Mothering to prove their point that it wasn't indecent!

I Love your photos- gorgeous!
post #4 of 135
Oh, I've looked at your pics before, they're beautiful, and the farthest thing from Pornography!! Porn is about sexualising the body, I just don't understand how anyone could look at those pics and think of anything sexual, they are so peaceful and relaxing.
post #5 of 135
Those are beautiful photos!!!!! Oh...it breaks my heart that this was such a ...ugh...



Your breasts and your baby and your photos...are always welcome here.
post #6 of 135
Wow, that is completly crazy. I wonder if you can file some sort of complaint. They are beautiful pictures by the way!
post #7 of 135


From photography enthuiast to photography enthusiast--those pictures are breathtaking!

As for that obnoxiously ignorant woman. . . . :

Also--I think you handled it very, VERY well.

Sar
post #8 of 135
Mama I am soo very sorry that you had to go through a very difficult situation. What a horribly misinformed woman! I wonder why it was okay for them to be breastfeeding pictures if they were professional, but not okay for you to take them? Well that is what is sounded like to me when I was reading your post. You pictures are beautiful, I hope you display them proudly and not remember what a close minded person you ran into getting them developed. I would also call and talk to the manager and not mention the ladies name. That way you can be honest about not wanting to have her fired, but maybe make the store reevalutate some of their employee's people skills. Added training never hurts!
I really love your pictures!
post #9 of 135
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Children are most in need of loving attention when they act least deserving of it.
Ooh! I love this. This is one of my guiding philosophies, and it's articulated so beautifully. BTW, I think it applies to adults as well!
post #10 of 135
How sad. It's sorta funny in a way though, because dh took a picture of me in my underwear, which was virtually see-thru, and we still got it! I was so embarrassed when I saw the photo. Well, part of the reason we still got the picture was because a family friend was the manager in the photo department. It was embarrassing tho, to know she's basically seen everything.
You are so much nicer than I am. I would've tried my damndest to get her fired.
post #11 of 135
The photos are LOVELY!

What did she mean, "you don't have a right to feed him" ?!?! I am reeling from that--I just don't get it. You not only have the right, you have the responsibility, the choice, the natural ability to feed your child!! I can't understand. Weren't you just dumbfounded?

So sorry you had to deal with stupidity. My first instinct would be to take it to management, but perhaps you don't want to get all aggitated rehashing it again and again. Especially since nothing fabulous would probably come of it anyway (unless they reprimand her and/or put into effect a policy of "tolerance" --nevermind appreciation--for photos of family orient).

Maybe just forget it and and frame your gorgeous pictures and bask in their beauty.
post #12 of 135
This is exactlt why I am afraid to get half my rolls of film developed.
post #13 of 135
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Originally Posted by fourgrtkidos
This is exactlt why I am afraid to get half my rolls of film developed.
ditto.

and i love your photos - they are touching and beautiful.
post #14 of 135
The pictures are beautiful. Especially the black and white one. Are you going to complain to management? I think you should. She way over stepped the line!
post #15 of 135
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You do not have a right to feed him. He does not need to be breastfed.”
This makes no sense. I would be calling management in a HEARTBEAT and ripping this woman a new one.

The pics are beautiful. I am sorry the world has so many morons in it.
post #16 of 135
Your photos are lovely and very touching.

The immorality, indecency and ugliness lie all within that woman. Let her live her hateful, sour little life while you overflow with love for your sweet baby.
post #17 of 135
Your photos are beautiful. I'm glad you stood up to that woman. If it had been me I hope I would have handled it as well as you did. that story makes my blood boil :

especially this:
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You do not have a right to feed him. He does not need to be breastfed.
post #18 of 135
What is so crazy is that (ok, in my state) you would be perfectly in your legal rights to sit at her counter and bf your baby! So how can it be immoral? Does the store have a policy on bfing in general? If you were to feed your dc there would you be asked to leave? If not, I would go to the management. Even if she has a personal issue with bfing, she was not nice to customers. Also, if she was really concerned, she is a mandated reporter-- did she do anything about it?
post #19 of 135
What a sad situation you handled it well I would of gone completely nuts. I turned some pics into Costco with me nursing my 3 year old and I got them back no problem. In my head I was ready for something but got them back no problem. That lady is way misinformed.
post #20 of 135
You guys are too nice...I'd be filing assault charges against the

The fact that she threw your pictures at you...that lady would have lost her job. People that think breastfeeding is on the same level as porn make me beyond ill.

BTW absolutely gorgeous photos.
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