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post #1 of 11
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I have recently visited the midwife that I chose to assist me in my homebirth of my first child. I am a little concerned with her degree of interference in the process. I beleive that she would go along with most of my wishes but there are a few she stands strong to such as:

1. She will NOT deliver twins at home.

2. She will NOT let the baby go more than 2 weeks overdue without interfering.

3. She likes monthly visits to weigh in and I have an appointment for a complete physical in two weeks. (My first "Real" appointment with her)

I would like an unassisted birth as long as everything is safe and I don't mind checkups I just really don't want to be poked and prodded like cattle.

Are these normal for midwives to request? What have been your experiences?
post #2 of 11
follow your heart really. If you have concerns voice them with her and see what her responses are. Have you interviewed anyone else?

I am in the 11 week of my second preganancy with the same midwife. She is very non-interventionist based. I am very lucky. Last time she did see me about every month, and I loved it. It was an hour to talk about me and pregnancy and birth. I totally loved it. She did weigh me, blood pressure, measure, and took blood once. This time we haven't done anything yet. She asked if she could weigh me I said I'ld rather not. She said she would like to take blood at some point to test my iron. That is fine with me. I've never had a problem with it, but I don't mind checking. She never did an internal or anything like that. Like I said she was very non-interventive last time anyway, but this time she said she'ld just hang out in the kitchen unless I ask for her I feel so lucky
post #3 of 11
i was going to a birthing center with three midwives...

so i had monthly appointments.. and i think their stance was:
no twins, no breech babies, no before 37 weeks or after 42 weeks, etc. oh, and after my water had been broken for 30+ hours and i was still at 5cm after hours and hours i was transferred to a hospital.

homebirth is a different story obviously.. but I think having someone you're comfortable is very, very important.

with our next one (whenever that happens) I am hoping for a homebirth..

you should be up front with her about wanted an unassisted birth.. see what reaction you get. How much time do you have?
are there are other options (other midwives?)

best of luck to you! i hope you have a wonderful birth!
post #4 of 11
The first two things are a matter of law in washington state... although most midwives are able to stretch it to 42.5 weeks. It's a trade off, being in WA, we have much better insurance coverage and dr/hospital/midwife interactions than many places, but LM's are also more heavily regulated. I would think it's your right to skip the weigh ins and such, or find a midwife who is less worried about that... also my midwives didn't do an initial pelvic exam (I don't expect that they will until labor, actually) so that's not required either.
post #5 of 11
We have a mixture of experiences:

With our dd we went to an office with three CNMs and a doctor. I thought it was fine at the time but now I feel like we were manipulated and given "selective information." Our dd was breech and we weren't given any options but c section - so that's what we had. I also learned a few weeks ago when I finally got my records from them that they tested me for HIV even though we declined the test because we didn't feel we were at risk. It seems like they could have just told us that they couldn't treat us unless I was tested... but no, they just went ahead and did it anyway without consent. WHAT? Anyway, our care there was pretty standard medical care, blood tests, urine tests, bp, weight. I was even offered a flu shot. Rhogam was just something routine for RH- moms like me, I was given no information on it other than "this is what we do."

This time we are with a "traditional midwife" as she prefers to be called. We see her once a month, started at 4 months. Our visits are about an hour, she records weight, bp, position and heat rate of baby, a very thorough urine analysis, and iron just twice during the pregnancy. We talk about pregnancy, birth, nutrition and whatever else we're concerned about. She does one home visit before I'm term. I was really happy to find out that she is comfortable (but she screens, obviously!) with twins, breeches, VBACs, and is very patient and lets birth take its natural course. I was thrilled when she said that she doesn't change her prenatal care at all until after 42 weeks because two of my friends have been pushed into inductions lately and that's not an option I'm comfortable with. And considering that my mom went 44 weeks with my brother... it just could be a while before we have this baby!

Enough rambling! I have seen two sides of midwives and I am so much more comfortable with this! Can't wait to birth at home!!!!
post #6 of 11
I think it is typical for midwives to request those things. That doesn't mean they're necessary and that you can't find someone who is fine with you calling the shots. For our second birth we chose a midwife who purposely remains unlicensed so that she can be more flexible, although I know even licensed midwives who will bend the rules a bit. I'd suggest doing as many interviews as you can stomach. And maybe you can sign a waiver for certain things like you can in the hospital?
post #7 of 11
If she is a CNM, it might be that her back up physician will not cover a twin birth at home, so she is unable to attend this and still keep her physician back up, which she legally needs in order to practice. Or it could be that she does not have much experience with twins, and therefore doesn't feel comfortable being a primary care giver in this situation.

Again, the overdue issue might be more an issue of what parameters her covering physician will allow her to perform. Most midwives are at the mercy of their overseeing physician, since ultimately, if something goes wrong, the overdeeing physician is as much liable as the midwife. Now, what do you mean by interfering? That she wants to do cytotec, or that she will discuss sex, nipple stim, herbs or caster oil? Our facility is accredited by NACC, and they require that we do not attend births that go before 37 weeks or after the end of the 43 week. Now, how many births actually go this long? We don't often have a mom that nears her 43 week...it is pretty rare. Most moms go about 1-2 weeks overdue, but hardly any go beyond that. Our physician has the right to waive these regulations, but then it is her butt (and our accreditation, which in turn affects our ability to be reimbursed by insurance) on the line if anything goes wrong. Nonetheless, if she feels that everything is okay, she will waive these rules.

Do you have an issue with weighing in? Weight in and of itself means nothing...but if a mom gains a bunch of weight in a week, and her blod pressure increases, that is something that alerts the midwife that, no, that blood pressure increase wasn't an isolated incident, it might be something more pathologic, we need to keep an eye on it. If you have issues with it, discuss is with the midwife. We require weigh-ins at our appointments, but if a mom doesn't want it, we certainly don't push it. We have moms weigh themselves and test their own urine, and then they either tell us or just write it in their chart themselves. In the entire 1 1/2 years that I have worked there, we have only had one mom that did not want to be weighed (previous eating disorder) and everyone was fine with that. It may be that all the things you have issue with would honestly be no big deal if you would just talk to the midwife about it.

Oh, regarding a complete physical...well, we do this too, including pap. For approximately 20% (it might be more) of our population, the only time they get a pap or a physical exam is when they are pregnant! dThe physical exam just tells us mom's physical health. It includes a pap and internal exam, a breast exam, and a discussion about mom's complete health history and lifestyle. It is a chance to sit down and talk for an hour or two, and really get to know one another. The pap and physical exam is usually done at the end of the visit, when mom is comfortable. The CNM tells mom everything she is doing, and usually offers her the opportunity to view her cervix and the exam with a mirror.

I find it more interesting that you don't want to have these things done. Why? Do you feel they are unnecessary, or are there other issues going on? In any case, these are things to discuss with your midwife. Why not ask her your exact questions...why does she need to do these things? What information is she looking for, and why does she need it? Why doesn't she attend twin births, or births before 37 weeks or after 42 weeks? What sort of interference does she advocate if you are way overdue?

And what sort of unassisted birth do you mean? That the midwife is there but doesn't do anything, just there to support you and dh, not there to catch baby, check VS, etc? Are you sure, in that case, you don't just want a doula instead? Or do you mean that you don't even want a midwife there, you just want her for the prenatal and postnatal care? If you don't even want her there, then it doesn't much matter whether she will *let* you go overdue or not.

I guess I see nothing wrong with most of what you say your midwife wants. I see more problems with the fact that you refer to such exams as being prodded and poked like a cow. I think the women who birth with us don't feel this way, but it is because of our interactions with them. If your midwife makes you feel like you are a cow (you know, that you are just a patient, not a friend), then it is time to find another midwife. If you just take issue with just some of the tests or restrictions, disucss them with her. no one can make you do anything, but you really do need to jive with your midwife, so that if a decision needs to be made quickly, you know that she will make decisions with your desires and health in her heart, not based on what the rules say. I think that if someone presented in our office and refused to have a physical exam, we certainly wouldn't refuse her care, but we would be much more concerned with WHY she didn't want the exam...past abuse issues, either from past care givers or from personal relationships? We would be very interestedin resolving those issues, rather than actually performing the exam, although I honestly feel that a pelvic exam is not an unnecessary part of a woman's health care.

I hope you are able to either work things out with your midwife (ie, have a great discussion with her and be satisfied with her answers and motivations) or that you are able to find another care provider with whom you really mesh, with whom you are very comfortable and who will be able to provide you what you need.

Good luck, and congratulations on your pregnancy!
post #8 of 11
Hi~ I feel very lucky @ this early point in my pregnancy to feel comfortable with my midwife. Frankly, I expected to have a more adversarial relationship & have to fight more for what I want. For one, I do not like "authorities" and even with the midwifery model of care, I was afraid I would have to struggle to feel respected. Fortunately, I was able to be up front with my midwife & tell her 1st what I thought was most important for me~ an uninterupted birth. Not unattended, but not managed, either. She understood where I was coming from & respected what I was asking for.

Ultimately, she feels she is a resource for me, not an authority. She is a CPM & also liscensed by the state, which she feels is important. At the same time, she does not carry malpractice insurance, so anything that her licensing would "require" her to advise me of, can be waived by me signing a legal document that indicates she has fulfilled her obligation to me by giving me informed choice & that I have refused such & so. As she explained it to me, she wouldnt be able to do this if she carried malpractice.

Her only rule outs for home birth are:
birth before 37 weeks
mothers who smoke
placenta previa or abruption
abnormal hemoglobin level
Extremely elevated blood pressure over base line
gestational diabetes not controllable by diet

I know she has attended breech births @ home, both surprise & where they knew ahead of time. She doesn't mention twins or being overdue as an automatic rule out. I know that she is conservative with early rupture of membranes & wants labor to start within 18 hours. On the other hand, she always talks about ways to avoid this by building a strong sac thru good nutirition and health. I think this is a smart way to look at it. Look past the problems to the solutions!

I am wishing you all the best & the ability to partner with your care-givers as equals, the highest authority resides within you!
blessings, Maria
post #9 of 11
I certainly understand your hesitation. But, I do wonder about the first 2 conditions as they are law in my state. Perhaps, she took it for granted that you know that already?

I have no issues w/my weight, but declined to have it checked as I also felt rather bovine shuffling up to the scale to be weighed. (I have absolutely no idea what I weigh in general but my clothes fit and I can ride my bike 50miles/day.) After all, it is my body and I will know if I have a sudden weight gain. My mw doesn't care about this at all. She does ask about swelling at every appt by checking to see if my wedding ring still fits. I chose not to have the initial exam. Hello? I am a responsible person who gets a yearly physical and why on earth have someone start poking around if it's not necessary. Besides, I feel IMHO that it's an uncomfortable uneven way to begin a relationship; ie. my rel. w/my mw is one of support and guidance not medical intervention.

Anyhow, I don't mean to sound whiny or oppostional here. This is simply a topic I care about. My dr. for my 1st pg. was extremely by the book and had a huge c/s rate as well. I'm much happier w/someone who respects women's bodies and nature more. I wouldn't write off this mw, but I would voice your concerns to see her reaction.
post #10 of 11
My MW was very easy-going about tests--she would offer them to us, discuss the pros and cons, and it was totally up to us whether or not we wanted to go ahead with them.
However, she did have restrictions on who could birth at home and this was because her malpractice insurance would not allow her to assist homebirths of breech-babies, VBACs, etc. This really irks her because she has done many of these births in the past, but this is the reality in a society where malpractice suits are so common.
post #11 of 11
Feeling poked and prodded like a cow--not a nice feeling, I know! That's how I felt when examined at the health dept. for being preg. The nurse was so nice talking to me, asking lots of questions, very supportive of HB, and EXCITED that I was going to breastfeed! So then the nurse-practitioner came in, poked around, did the quickest pap in the west, squirted the COLD jelly, did the doplar, measured, blah, blah.... She was so fast and efficient, I did feel like cattle. She was really nice, but it's the health dept, and speediness is best for them!

But with my midwife, we always sat and talked for a long time, mostly just chatting, my husband telling stories, us listening to her latest birth story, discussing how I was feeling, eating, working out my back-up plan and insurance, which proved to be very complicated!!! Sometime during the talking, I'd go to the bathroom, test my urine, and weigh myself. I liked it b/c I could totally strip to weigh so I could get an accurate weight!

As the hour was coming to an end, we'd go to a cozy room (the we talked in the comfy living room b/c we were usually the only ones around) all decked out for her massage and homebirth clients, she'd gently take my blood pressure, often with me holding part of the instrument. And then I'd lay down on the *cushy* massage table that was warm from the heating pad, and she'd gently touch, rub, assess, measure my fundus (with me holding the bottom end), and use the doplar. She always was gentle and apologized for the cold hands and jelly. Such sweet and gentle care.

But my midwife is a CPM, LM in Arkansas, and they are highly regulated. So she can lean to the overly cautious side, so that her clients and her liscence are safe, you know?

Yes, ask your midwife all your questions. Most may be answered by "it's the law" like here in AR. But there are ways around some rules, you know. It's the Dr. back-up that you have to worry about. But I just wanted to say that I had some weird vibes from my midwife at first, but I knew she was the best and very loving, and through the labor and birth she was awesome. I hope you find a midwife that you totally click with. Maybe this one is "the one", but then again, maybe not!

Emily
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