Talked to my friend about pond birth... - Page 5

[Aura_Kitten]

Originally Posted by loveharps

was the "midwife" cooking dinner in her kitchen, the op and friend turned up and she said - Hang on a minute, I'll just perform a rectal exam before I pop this chicken in the oven? Here we go, just hop up on my kitchen table, oops, I'll just move the raw chicken and could you be beating the eggs while I do it? thanks.

OMG : : :

[celestialdreamer]

Originally Posted by Danae

I'm sorry but, all I can think about is the phrase "tastes like chicken!"...

This thread was definitely the entertainment I needed today!

[mmaramba]

Originally Posted by liam's mom

Any sane medical professional would do the same, no?

Without washing her hands? :

Yeah, it's not the "anti-crunchy" attitude, it's the weird behavior and thoroughly unbelievable stories. Totally attention-seeking, like any troll. (Of course, I'm just feeding it-- but it's so funny!) Here's a definition:

http://members.aol.com/intwg/trolls.htm

In other words, this could be an ultra-ultra-ultra-conservative looking for converts, but it's at least as likely that it's a 18-year-old girl just trying to cause trouble. Y'know, go to MDC and make outrageous statements about midwifery, UC, queer parenting... and then hike on over to the Ezzo board and ask if... I don't know... Jesus was really gay.

:LOL

[Baby Hopes]

The ungloved exams (including rectal ), the chicken fingers, and 50 degree pond all throw up alarms in my head. However, it was there MW's justification of the ungloved exams "boys and girls touch each other there all the time" (paraphrase) that sent creepy vibes down my back. It's all quite strange and disturbing.

BTW wouldn't both mother and baby STILL be at serious hypothermic risk at 50 degrees? Who cares if the pond isn't frozen. I keep imagining a poor baby being born from her warm comfy womb into a pond nearly 48 degrees below her body temperature. Talk about shock!

And just curious... what level of responsibility does the friend assume if something bad DOES happen?

[kama'aina mama]

tracking update: she is in Tribes as pregnant and with a couple kids.

[kama'aina mama]

Originally Posted by gridley13

WTH? My midwife never cooked dinner for me!
I am gonna have to talk to her about that...

My midwife actually had a "thing" where she and her doula would stick around and make sure everyone had a good meal after delivery. But she had another woman in labor when I gave birth and had left her assistant there. So she told me I needed to eat a good meal because I had worked hard and I could have anything I wanted.... and then she split and left DH holding the proverbial bag!

(He managed to talk the best dinner house in town into delivering one of theor signature steak dinners to our home at 8 pm on a Saturday night. I will never, ever know exactly how.)

[Mothra]

Originally Posted by pamamidwife

I think it's funny how many people are feeding this poster! :LOL

I totally bought it! I have a friend who is seeing a midwife and the midwife did not use gloves when she did an exam at the first visit. By the time my friend realized what was going on she was absolutely mortified and did not stop her because she didn't know what to say. That was still fresh in my mind when I read the first thread, in my defense.

[mmaramba]

Originally Posted by Mothra

I totally bought it! I have a friend who is seeing a midwife and the midwife did not use gloves when she did an exam at the first visit. By the time my friend realized what was going on she was absolutely mortified and did not stop her because she didn't know what to say. That was still fresh in my mind when I read the first thread, in my defense.

I have to say that I don't necessarily think an ungloved exam is, in itself, totally bizarre. If the MWs hands were super-clean, that is. It's not particularly unsanitary.

I mean, I think the MW might be putting herself at some sort of tiny risk, (if she had an tiny open cut or something), but there's nothing super-sterile about latex gloves if they haven't been kept in some sterile package (which most haven't). Not much more sterile than really well-washed hands, anyway.

That said, if I were the MW... Well... I was going to say that I'm not sure I'd want to deal so directly with anyone's bodily fluids, but... I think most MWs are pretty desensitized to that kind of thing :LOL

[Greaseball]

:
Hey, Jesus was born by UC! And in a barn, with animals!

[the_lissa]

even chickens! :LOL

[mmace]

Okay, Okay - I know I'm overthinking this, because it's probably all a hoax, but wouldn't the temperature of the water actually be much colder? The OP said that the temperature outside would probably be around 50 degrees, so it seems to me that the temperature of the water would be well under that.

My parents have a pool. We've been having nice warm days since they opened the pool, the temperature has been high seventies at the least, and high eighties at times since it has been opened. Of course, the nights get cooler than that. The temperature of the pool still is in the mid-sixties.

I know, I need to get a life...

[amydidit]

I was thinking that about the pond too, that's why I asked if it was natural or manmade... a man made pond may have a heater in which case the water may still be quite warm... I still wouldn't want to be in it though with the air only 50 degrees... brrrrrrr!

[mwherbs]

Originally Posted by ZeldasMom

If the friend didn't notice the midwife touching the raw chicken, how was she able to relate this fact to the OP?

my question too.... how could this part of the story be told if she didn't notice?????

[mwherbs]

Originally Posted by mzbuntz

Before I tell how the conversation went this morning, I'll mention that I live in a warm area and the pond will not be frozen in the winter, maybe it'll be about 50 degrees outside.

I had a talk with my friend this morning about her midwife. She had not even noticed that the lady had picked up two pieces of raw chicken and placed them on a plate before the exam.
My friend did not seem worried at all about her not wearing gloves. She said she has had an exam at each visit like that and the lady has already explained to her that men and women frequently touch each other in places like that w/o having gloves on with no problems. She said gloves hinder the exam and are not necessary since she is not a Dr. that is treating dozens of patients each day. I told her she needs to speak to a Dr. about this because it does not sound right.

My friend is totally brainwashed by this lady. She said the lady has to check the placement of the baby because a wrong placement can lead to an unhealthy baby and a lower IQ.

She's not worried about the pond birth cause she said that all the mosquitos will be gone in the winter and the lady "holistically steralizes" it prior to a birth.

My friend has fallen for this lady hook line and sinker. She was crying at the end of our conversation cause she said she's upset I'm her bestfriend and that I can't see that she is doing something great for her baby. That all of this is safer and healthier than a Dr. with a hospital birth.

I'm afraid this might be the end of our friendship.

I put this hear with quotes because there are a few things like --- she doesn't say she is at the visit but she knows something about the visit that the "pregnant friend" didn't see???

OK then there is some reading weirdness because I do not see "rectal" anywhere..... maybe I have a block in seeing it in this OP???!!!!!

Although I think that this is a Troll post, it is unfortunate that I could also think that this woman knows some very ignorant or mentally ill people. what country does she live in?
You know that one of the things that midwives had over doctors for years was because they were women with many household duties in a day that they constantly hand washed when they went from one thing to another so they had far less infections-- women who were unfortunate enough to have a doctor come to their births were at high risk of getting an infection and dying- from lack of cleanliness-- not just of hand washing but of clothing....
in addition exams at every visit from early on-- are you sure she was doing an internal exam and not just measuring the fundal height?
so maybe she does clean the pond holistically like with those EFM products or something and that would sort of fit in with the other ideas-- in any case as much as i think that a cleaned pond is not too clean I also think that a hospital is probably a by far dirtier place-- think about MRSA, and many other critters that have probably colonized every surface in the hospital

[indie]

Originally Posted by Greaseball

:
Hey, Jesus was born by UC! And in a barn, with animals!

And without sterile gloves.

Originally Posted by mwherbs

OK then there is some reading weirdness because I do not see "rectal" anywhere..... maybe I have a block in seeing it in this OP???!!!!!

It was in one of her other posts.

[WinterBaby]

there were two previous posts, which (with their issuing threads) were deleted, causing much joyous confusion to all. In post #1 the OP spoke of her friend with the weird midwife wanting her to birth in a pond where.. the algae would be naturally vaccinating, etc. In post #2, the OP related meeting to midwife while attending a visit with her friend at the midwife's home (presumably so the OP would become more comfortable with the midwife.). The OP observed the midwife making fried chicken, then performing the exam. (The rectal exam ;-) If this helps... lol

[MrsMoe]

[Pandora114]

Well, it could very well be that Lyster OB/GYN who is trolling. Someone on the Case against Circ board really told the truth about her, this troll showed up shortly after that lady posted about Dr Lyster. *Read the P&T Bull$hit Thread and the "Unbelievable" Thread to see the method to my madness*

Basicly, the lady tore, her CNM was unavailable, so Dr. Lyster had to catch the baby, and REPAIRED HER WITHOUT NUMBING. Yup...so that could be our troll.

[mzbuntz]

I came here to get insight and help for my friend. I have never know anyone to use a midwife or have a holistic birth so I have no idea what is safe and standard practice and what is not. I felt upset and afraid for my friend because the story is straight out of Jerry Springer.
It seems that this board is very judgemental and not open to helping. How can I call and press charges for assault for my friend? It doesn't really work that way if she is fine with it and does not press charges herself. I was hoping to get some advice from people who homebirth safely and this board does not seem to be very friendly towards that.
So believe whatever you want about this post. I came here for help for my friend. Not to harrass or bother anyone. I thought I could get some good info to use to help and her baby.

[mmaramba]

Originally Posted by mzbuntz

I felt upset and afraid for my friend because the story is straight out of Jerry Springer.

MZ-- And there you have it. Jerry Springer is a put-on. Can you really not understand why we would doubt you?

Hey, I guess stranger things have happened, but the way you described it...

Not to mention the tone of your posts in other threads... (I'm thinking of the UC board)

See, it's not just the insanity of the situation, it's the way you described it-- like when we expressed surprise that one would birth outside in the winter, you backpedaled, conceding that it won't be that cold in the winter-- just 50 degrees. For birth. Outside. In the water. Not that cold? Who doesn't know that's cold?

I mean, it sounded like you were making it up as you went along-- or that you were terribly... naive? Young? Ignorant?

Frankly, since you have seemed somewhat judgemental in other places, I can't understand that you wouldn't have immediately seen that this whole situation was wildly inappropriate-- that you would have just shrugged and felt you needed to ask perfect strangers whether this was normal. You just said it was like something out of Jerry Springer, so I doubt you'd have been convinced by us on the very off-chance we said it was okay. You don't sound like you even needed confirmation that it was bad-- so why ask us?

It sounded like you were fishing for "crazy homebirthers"-- especially as the story got more and more elaborate as we expressed our positions....

It seemed like you were saying "Hmmmmm.... Let me think of something that sounds really bizarre and see if these nuts will agree to it. I know! Pond birth!"

And then we said it was okay, but most of us wouldn't do it-- but gave reasonable, difficult-to-argue-with reasons why waterbirth is perfectly safe. You couldn't say much to that, so you added that the birth was going to take place in winter, the pond had beer cans in it and the algae would holistically sterilize it.

We didn't bite, of course, because that's just terrible practice!

Then you added weirdness about bizarre internal exams involving raw chicken...

It wasn't just the weirdness, but the way you didn't tell the whole story right away. You seemed to keep embellishing it, YKWIM? If the worst of it was the raw chicken and beer cans, why wouldn't you have mentioned those things right off the bat?

Plus... What advice were you looking for? I mean, we're telling you that this is totally bizarre-- not at all normal or holistic, and that, assuming you're telling the truth, you should get your friend out of this "Jerry Springer" situation, etc. And...? It doesn't sound like you have done anything significant for your friend, which would be terribly odd.

Curiouser and curiouser... :

I gotta let this one go...