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post #141 of 154
:LOL "Start the voodoo".

Sending love to all.

Be good neighbors, support each other.

We'll all be better off.

And even if Hillary did ruin the phrase....It still does "Take a village"

As for me, I want to contribute to creating a loving society, and part of that means keeping an eye on kids I who are not mine, and having compassion for other parents.

Calling the cops is just so Jerry Springer show.

PS if you do call the cops and the film crew shows up to nail another stressed Mother just trying to live her life , please be wearing more clothing than is usually seen on Springer's guests. ::shiver::
post #142 of 154
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Originally Posted by nicole lisa
I have looked everywhere on the child safety sites for Canada and on specific police departments' sites and can't find any law here about leaving children unattended in a car.
Not Canadian but...

How many states have legislation about leaving kids alone in cars?

Ten states have laws protecting children left unattended in cars. The states with this legislation are: California , Connecticut , Florida , Illinois , Louisiana , Maryland , Nebraska , Pennsylvania , Texas , and Washington .

Do any other states have similar legislation?

Kentucky and Missouri have laws that take effect if an injury or fatality occurs when a child is left unattended in a motor vehicle.

Are there any states with pending legislation?

Yes. In 2005, at least 6 states have pending legislation including: Hawaii , Louisiana , Minnesota , Nebraska , Nevada , and Virginia .

Kids In Cars has successfully lobbied to pass a law in its home state of Missouri . The law calls for a person to be prosecuted if they knowingly leave a child under the age of 10 unattended in a vehicle. On May 12, 2000 , a bill passed the Missouri legislature that makes it a felony if a person is killed as a result of someone leaving a child in a car.

So unfortunately it is not ALL states with specific child left alone in cars laws. I am certain there are broader laws that would umbrella a death or injury in a case like this though, which would lend itself to prosecution of a parent or caregiver.
post #143 of 154
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Originally Posted by PoppyMama
Will you require immediate adult supervison across the board between 8-12+, or just in a car? Not being snarky at all I would just like to know if it is this particular issue that bothers you.

To the others- I believe that we have all agreed that temp. is a deal breaker. Yes, I know how fast it can get hot in a car and I have stated that it is dangerous for ALL humans/animals regardless of age.
I arrive at 12 as my own comfort level with my own child alone in a car based on safety factors involved in leaving a child unsupervised in a car... as well as the fact that I would not walk away and leave my dd alone in a public place under that age... and the guidance of some states having laws considering it okay for children at that age to be alone or supervising younger children.
http://www.kidsincars.org/State%20Laws%20All_2005.pdf

My dd is 5 right now. She isn't glued to my hip every second of every day but definitely has adult supervision the majority of the time. It is less than when she was a baby or when she was 3. I forsee our immediate supervision across the board as decreasing gradually as she matures.
post #144 of 154
Thank you for the explanation.

I read the state laws (thanks for the link) and they are vague to say the least. I think there was only one state where it is out and out illegal for the child to be in the car w/out an adult. It looks like a lot of the cases where people are saying they are calling the police there is nothing really illegal going on. I am not saying that just because something isn't illegal it isn't wrong or that because something is illegal it is wrong.

My own criteria seems to be stricter than state law.

I read my state laws and I am good. In fact I wouldn't leave my child unattended/out of vision for the full amount of time allowed. Except when parked at my house- they play in there sometimes- but I park behind my house and my car cannot be taken out of park without the key.

OT- All this talk had me thinking and my dd (8) has been asking to be allowed to stay at home alone so... We looked up the TX law on the internet together yesterday and had a little talk about safety issues and I let her stay at home while I picked up ds at school. I felt a little wobbly but it was all fine and I was only gone 9 minutes...letting go of the control is hard sometimes.
post #145 of 154
I know most of you wouldn't think of leaving a toddler or infant alone in your cars. This story could be anyone of us. Instead of the poor little boy that was hit and killed, it could be one of us with our babes slung just walking by. Yes, paranoia can get the better of us. We all have to take calculated risks depending on the moment. But read this story. It will break any parent's heart.

http://www.kidsincars.org/ourstory.html
post #146 of 154
dallaschildren- that story is heartbreaking and the mother of the children in the van was ABSOLUTELY criminally negligent in my book.

I will admit that when my dd was an infant I would sometimes leave her in the car when I paid for gas. I don't know that I would do that now but at the time I lived in a TINY town in central KS and everyone else did it too. However, even though it was legal there, I never left her in the car when she was a toddler because even if she was in a car seat it was conceivable that she could get out. I also don't think children (of any age) should EVER be left in cars that are running or have the keys or are parked on a slope or can be taken out of park without the key.

I think parents really need to think more deeply into their parenting decisions. And I agree that we need to look out for each other.
post #147 of 154
And what's really horrible Poppymama, is that the parents were RIGHT BEHIND the van when it happened. They weren't inside of a store or the post office, KWIM? There's no way in hell anyone could catch up to the van and stop it once it rolled.
Anyhow, this thread was informative albeit a bit testy sometimes. I know I will continue to watch out for all of our kids.
post #148 of 154
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Originally Posted by PoppyMama
I think parents really need to think more deeply into their parenting decisions. And I agree that we need to look out for each other.
post #149 of 154
Okay, here is my delimma:
In the mornings when I work, I am leaving the house at 5am to take my sleeping children to daycare. I am 13 weeks pregnant but even if I was not, I cannot carry a sleeping 6 year old and a sleeping 20 month old out of the house, lock the front door, unlock the car doors and get them in their car seats. It's a simple limitation of the fact that I don't actually have 6 hands. So one of my children inevitably gets left in the car for at least a few minutes while I run back in, get the second one out of bed and out the door wrapped in a blanket. I am single mother. I have no one at home to watch my children, no other option for getting them to daycare. How am I to not leave my children alone in the car every single day? And believe me, I worry about this constantly. I worry about a car hitting my parked car while I'm inside getting the other child. I worry about the brake disengaging and my car rolling down the hill. I worry about a drug addict or car thief stealing my car with one of my children inside. But this is what I have to deal with.
I have the same problem when I come home with groceries. My children always fall asleep on the drive home from the store. I can either take them inside and put them to bed or unload the groceries first. Either way, they're unattended in a way that makes me really uncomfortable. But I do let my 6 year old go to his friends' houses to play. I've met the parents and often drop by unexpectedly to say hi or bring him his coat so I feel pretty good about it. One of the kids' moms is a daycare provider and has been in business for 9 years. Leaving them in the car, though, it really bothers me that I can't avoid it sometimes.
post #150 of 154
[QUOTE=dallaschildren]And what's really horrible Poppymama, is that the parents were RIGHT BEHIND the van when it happened. They weren't inside of a store or the post office, KWIM? There's no way in hell anyone could catch up to the van and stop it once it rolled.
Anyhow, this thread was informative albeit a bit testy sometimes. I know I will continue to watch out for all of our kids.[/QUOTE

Cars scare me! They always have and I would prefer to use public transpo if I could. I have always felt like cars + power are like loaded weapons, PLEASE UNLOAD YOUR WEAPON WHENEVER POSSIBLE. How hard is it to turn off a car, take out the key and set the parking break? Like a gun with a hairtrigger, if your car has problems that make it more of a danger take the precautions necessary to make it safer. My mom had one of those old VW's and was worried about the effectiveness of the parking brake so she used to put the huge boulder things against the tires. Trouble yes!!! Worth it yes!!!

ALSO- Do our cars really need to be making more pollution? Why would anyone leave a car running when they aren't trying to make it go?
post #151 of 154
DreamsInDigital.... Single parenting is hard as hell. God bless you.
post #152 of 154
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post #153 of 154
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Originally Posted by DreamsInDigital
I have the same problem when I come home with groceries. My children always fall asleep on the drive home from the store. I can either take them inside and put them to bed or unload the groceries first. Either way, they're unattended in a way that makes me really uncomfortable.
On this one, I think the car is the safest place for a sleeping child strapped into a car seat they can't unfasten while you unload groceries. I live on a busy street, right on the corner, and I would rather have them in a locked, parallel-parked car, with the handbrake on and passers-by on the street, whilst I haul a car-full of shopping inside, than have them either a) helping me or b) in the house, unsupervised, with the possibility of them opening the door and running out onto said road (This HAS happened, before now). Obviously, though, if your six-year-old is like mine, he's probably VERY good at unfastening his seatbelt himself. And as far as your morning childcare run goes, I take my hat off to you. I couldn't hold it together like that. (Literally. I tried- and failed.)
post #154 of 154
Dreamsindigital- I just wanted to tell you that I'm a single parent and have done the weird works hours and sleeping kids thing and it is hard. It is easy for other people to say or think they should wake up and walk and it is easy to second guess yourself. You are thinking deeply into the possibilities of each situation and doing the best with what you have. I wish you the best and wanted to tell you that since sometimes us single moms don't get enough REAL respect.
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