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post #1 of 11
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Answer this question please and send your answers to Stmidwife@aol.com

An OB doctors thinks and asks - - -

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Does it really matter HOW the baby is born? My goal is always a healthy mom going home with a healthy baby, together. Route of delivery, in my opinion, is highly over rated!
http://forums.obgyn.net/ob-gyn-l/OBG...bject.html#368

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post #2 of 11
All I can say is
about that discussion.
post #3 of 11
The one thing I would tell that Doc is that it mattered enough to me how my baby was born so that I was willing to spend $1500 out of my own pocket in order to avoid a repeat of the bullying, physical discomfort, and unnecessary injury I experienced during a hospital birth.

He should also know that when I got pregnant with #2 I phoned the hospital to ask about getting prenatal tests but the memory of the previous bad experience came back with sudden overwhelming force and I hung up the phone in tears without making an appointment. I never did get any prenatal tests. The way my first baby was born destroyed the trust I had for the doctor's advice and made it impossible for me to place my trust in the medical system for future births.

--AmyB
post #4 of 11
I have lurked on that forum to see what the "mainstream" docs take is on childbirth.

I don't know what we really expect from a group who in previous discussions said that bonding was overrated (that baby looks just like the others take it to the nursery discussion). I'm also an attorney, so it's always curious to me to see just how many things can get blamed on me!
post #5 of 11
I think this was very informative. It really gave me the feeling that Dr's are forced to view us as their enemies, not to say all Dr's are perfect, but given the consequences they have to pay if things do go wrong, I couldn't see myself practicing differently as a Dr.

Very scary, and just one of the many reasons we need more home birth advocates!
post #6 of 11
I can't figure out how to read the whole thing yet... HOpe I figure it out, I'm sure it's interesting
Namaste, Tara
post #7 of 11
""not to say all Dr's are perfect, but given the consequences they have to pay if things do go wrong, I couldn't see myself practicing differently as a Dr.""

while a dr may have his premium raised due to complications he very well could have caused, midwives are arrested and imprisoned for complications that they did not cause regardless of outcomes. They (ob's) give a mom cytotec and mom and baby die while using this Unapproved drug, they don't go to jail.
My mw got arrested after a case of meconium aspiration, how often is this happening in the hospital?

Supposedly the med mal cap laws were supposed to remedy this, but there has been no improvement in the local birthing situation since the law past a few years ago.

Amalie
post #8 of 11
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Originally Posted by MamaTaraX
I can't figure out how to read the whole thing yet... HOpe I figure it out, I'm sure it's interesting
Namaste, Tara
I know it is a dificult forum to navigate. But then again these are doctors who always like ot make things more difficult than what they need to be, :LOL

Try sorting them by subject and then find the VBAC thread and just read each individual post, back out, then read next post. It can be time consuming but definitely stregnthens my resolve to birth at home
post #9 of 11
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Their whole approach to birth is what is crippling them. It is said that what you fear you create and they fear lawsuits and then in turn create them. They are banning families from video tapping births for fear that it will be used as evidence against them if something doesn't turn out just right. Yet are falsifying records so we as patients can't turn around and sue them as well.

I agree with Eco too. It's one or both. They are taking away our rights from all directions and are heading down the path of "always a c/s and never a vaginal"

Quote:
The study in the AJOG
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American Journal of Obstetrics and Gynecology. 2003 Jun;188(6):1418-
21.

Cesarean delivery on demand: what will it cost? Bost BW.

OBJECTIVE: The purpose of this study was to estimate the cost
differences between elective cesarean delivery and the alternative
of attempted vaginal delivery and to assess the economic impact of
cesarean delivery on demand. STUDY DESIGN: Cost data were obtained
over a 12-month period from a not-for-profit community hospital to
calculate a per-patient cost for clinical alternatives. RESULTS: The
average cost of an attempted vaginal delivery without oxytocin
(Pitocin) or epidural anesthesia was 15.1% lower in nulliparous
women and 20% lower in multiparous women than with elective cesarean
delivery. However, in nulliparous women, the addition of Pitocin
nullified any cost differences; if epidural anesthesia was also
used, total costs exceeded the cost of elective cesarean delivery by
almost 10%. The cost of a failed attempt at vaginal delivery was
much higher than elective cesarean delivery for both groups. The
average cost for all women who attempted vaginal delivery was only
0.2% less than the per-patient cost of elective cesarean delivery.
CONCLUSION: The adoption of a policy of cesarean delivery on demand
should have little impact on the overall cost of obstetric care.

Do away with vaginal births altogether!

http://forums.obgyn.net/ob-gyn-l/OBGYNL.0504/0383.html
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I still forsee several problems with our swing toward doing
cesareans on all moms. One is that if and when the pendulum does
swing back, the art of labor and vaginal birth will have been lost.
We are currently graduating chief residents with limited skills in
forceps, breech and twin vaginal delviereis. Secondly, the first or
second repeat c-section may be low risk but how about the third
fourth and fifth in terms of scar tissue bleeding placenta previa
accreta etc. As a final thought c-sections and follow up care I
suspect are more of a drain on health care resources than vaginal
births. Monies going for c-section are monies being taken away from
mamograms and immunizations. NOTE: "the opinions of this doctor are
not necessarily those of the station". andrew
Women will soon be forced to UC until CPS starts bothing those of us who choose to birth this way as well. Next we'll be forced to leave the country in search for a vaginal birth friendly doctor! It's a very scary scenario that we are sliding straight into.

I fear for my daughters future and how they may be forced to birth. I only hope that through my example and teaching that they will be comfortable and choose HB or even UC as their mode of birthing too.
post #10 of 11


Yet another way to look at things..how true
post #11 of 11
If they even have to ask that question, they should get the hell out of women's births, because a) they haven't the faintest understanding of what birth means to women, and b) they're ignoring the research that connects birthing experence to PPD, PTSD, breastfeeding problems, bonding issues...etc.

Lots of really good reasons to avoid obs on that forum.
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