Killing Frogs - Page 6

[cmb123]

Originally Posted by OnTheFence

I will definitely think twice before ever asking a very specific parenting question in regards to my own children in this forum again.

I hope you don't let one persons negativity keep you from posting here. Overall you had a lot of support, leave the rest behind.

[OnTheFence]

Originally Posted by mommytolittlelilly

I don't think she absolutely must watch every move her son makes, but she could do that if she wants to. Really though, I don't think monitoring every little move he makes is, in itself, going to be that helpful for this boy in the long term. I'm of the opinion that watching every move he makes might even make things worse.

I think the fact that it's happened repeatedly, though, probably warrants mom and dad stepping back to take a look at the big picture to see what thing(s) might be troubling him.

Did you read the OP, I said it has happened three times. Twice in the past several months, and once a year plus ago. He was only three the first time it happened. Good lord, why does something have to be troubling him or wrong with his psychology to do this or wrong with us?

[mommytolittlelilly]

Sorry - I didn't mean to offend! I remembered it was more than once, and I had the timing wrong. It was just a suggestion, and I'm really not trying to condemn you or your son....

I don't mean that there's something critically wrong with what you're doing or not doing, either. I was just thinking how when Lilly gets upset that I'm not around much during the day, she can start slapping and biting sometimes.

[aran]

Originally Posted by edamommy

Our line is drawn by intelligent compassion...

OK, then how 'bout some "intelligent compassion" for the OP, too?

Originally Posted by cmb123

my front porch light was out all summer because a nest of hornets had moved in- I won't even kill those. ... Seeing a kid carve letters into a tree breaks my heart as much as hearing the frog story. I've been that way since I was a kid

I find myself in the weird position of agreeing with the tree thing, but would gladly kill the hornets (and other bugs)! At least you seem to have an internally consistent view, while I, for some reason, cannot!

[darsmama]

Originally Posted by Brisen

Hey, kids are animals too. They deserve fresh air and sunshine just as much as any ant, frog, chicken, or pig. :

This totally made my morning! :LOL

[edamommy]

Originally Posted by boongirl

You know, I am not even slightly religious but I do think the golden rule is a good one: if you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all.

eh? THis is regarding animal abuse... and no one should have something "nice" to say about that! Why is it so unPC to say it the way it is? Why do we have to coddle the op into thinking it's okeydokey to stomp on frogs...

[edamommy]

Originally Posted by OnTheFence

Did you read the OP, I said it has happened three times. Twice in the past several months, and once a year plus ago. He was only three the first time it happened. Good lord, why does something have to be troubling him or wrong with his psychology to do this or wrong with us?

Knock knock knock HELLLLLOOOOOOOOOO... he's killing frogs!

[cmb123]

Originally Posted by edamommy

eh? THis is regarding animal abuse... and no one should have something "nice" to say about that! Why is it so unPC to say it the way it is? Why do we have to coddle the op into thinking it's okeydokey to stomp on frogs...

I didn't see than anyone was "okey dokey" about stomping on frogs. Just that it isn't completly unusual for a 4 year old to do.
As someone who is very much an animal rights person, I know there is more than one way to get a point across. Being nasty usually isn't it.

[OnTheFence]

Originally Posted by edamommy

eh? THis is regarding animal abuse... and no one should have something "nice" to say about that! Why is it so unPC to say it the way it is? Why do we have to coddle the op into thinking it's okeydokey to stomp on frogs...

Oy. A frog is not an animal -- at least not the last time I checked.


:::back to eating my hamburger:::

[darsmama]

Dear Lord,
How will I ever be able to eat a salad again?!?! Isn't lettuce just as alive as a tree?
and as Chucklin's Mommy wrote: It never ceases to amaze me that supposedly we are raising compassionate, loving, empathetic children when it seems that we can't even BEGIN to practice it ourselves. Its eye raising, really.

[joesmom]

Originally Posted by OnTheFence

I don't think my child killed a frog because of problems at home or deep seated emotional issues. As I said, he is micromanaged enough in other areas, probably when he really shouldn't be and I am not going to do anymore in that area than I have been.

I don't think he did either, OTF. I feel like you must have misintrepreted what I posted- I meant it in SUPPORT of you & your son.

[cmb123]

Originally Posted by Chunklin'sMommy

I find myself in the weird position of agreeing with the tree thing, but would gladly kill the hornets (and other bugs)! At least you seem to have an internally consistent view, while I, for some reason, cannot!

ya, until one of us ends up in the ER with some horrible hornet sting 'cause Mommy won't kill the freakin hornets! :LOL It'll probably be me..

[OnTheFence]

Originally Posted by darsmama

Dear Lord,
How will I ever be able to eat a salad again?!?! Isn't lettuce just as alive as a tree?
and as Chucklin's Mommy wrote: It never ceases to amaze me that supposedly we are raising compassionate, loving, empathetic children when it seems that we can't even BEGIN to practice it ourselves. Its eye raising, really.

There was lettuce on my burger too!

Actually seeing the poster in question reminds me of my early years as a parent. Ah, can I just put a general apology out there to the world now -- frogive me.

[darsmama]

Edamommy, to be honest - I've noticed you the last month on animal rights posts and thought WOW, shes really a caring person! I was even going to look up old posts and look at Veganism more, but frankly - your PETA like tactics leave something to be desired! Nastiness is NOT the way to go. I'm passionate about circ, but I NEVER get rude with people to get my point across. It weakens the argument!

[OnTheFence]

Originally Posted by joesmom

I don't think he did either, OTF. I feel like you must have misintrepreted what I posted- I meant it in SUPPORT of you & your son.

O, I definitely think you were writing in support, I just wanted to state one more time for the record. LOL

[edamommy]

Originally Posted by cmb123

I didn't see than anyone was "okey dokey" about stomping on frogs. Just that it isn't completly unusual for a 4 year old to do.
As someone who is very much an animal rights person, I know there is more than one way to get a point across. Being nasty usually isn't it.

I'm having a very hard time not being nasty about this. This child has done this 4 times. Not once. And the very idea that someone (or more than just a someone) would have the gall to use the "well plants feel pain too" schtick in supporting their rationalizing of the animal abuse just puts my panties in a wad, if you will. And it's really freaking me out that so many mamas are willing to overlook the seriousness of this issue (animal abuse) to "not cause waves" or to "not make the op feel bad" or whatever! And the very fact that so many mama's think it's not too strange for a child to have done this (not once, FOUR times) is also very very disturbing to me... it's a nasty subject.

Oh, and for those who are wondering... I've tried the "you catch more flies w/ honey" thing... and it's just now true! lol

[edamommy]

Originally Posted by darsmama

Edamommy, to be honest - I've noticed you the last month on animal rights posts and thought WOW, shes really a caring person! I was even going to look up old posts and look at Veganism more, but frankly - your PETA like tactics leave something to be desired! Nastiness is NOT the way to go. I'm passionate about circ, but I NEVER get rude with people to get my point across. It weakens the argument!

*sorry to let you down. GO ahead and skip my posts! I am totally not intersted in supporting the idea that it's okay to kill frogs- repeatidly.

[cmb123]

Originally Posted by darsmama

your PETA like tactics leave something to be desired! Nastiness is NOT the way to go. I'm passionate about circ, but I NEVER get rude with people to get my point across. It weakens the argument!

and makes it harder for many of us who would like to share our views in a more positive way.

[darsmama]

Ok, since we are so far off topic anyways; CAN SOMEONE TELL ME WHY eating lettuce, carrots, etc. is NOT the same as eating a living thing (IE: frog legs)? Or is it the 'they aren't mammals' (so its ok to eat fish and frogs?) this is really driving me nuts. What about maggots, some people eat them - is that against veganism!?

Who drew the line, where!?

Just a quick explanation...please.

[Itlbokay]

Originally Posted by edamommy

And it's really freaking me out that so many mamas are willing to overlook the seriousness of this issue (animal abuse) to "not cause waves" or to "not make the op feel bad" or whatever!

I gave the OP support because one of my DS's did something similar to a frog when he was around the same age.

I am happy to report that now he is a very empathetic child - and a huge frog lover