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Why are so many democrats against educational autonomy?

post #1 of 50
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Am I wrong about this? It just seems that everytime I read something about a homeschooling freedom bill, the democrats are fighting it. And it is currently the case with a bill here. Can someone please explain this to me?
post #2 of 50
I'm not sure about homeschooling in particular, unless they are worried about the explicitly religious ones; I do know that dems are often opposed to vouchers & other alternatives to public school because they do nothing to address & change issues w/ public schools--the place where the majority of kids end up and where there are obviously huge problems.

Maybe they don't want to encourage homeschooling because they think it will only exacerbate the problems of the public schools; by dropping out of the system, you are not doing anything to change that system; you will have no incentive to make it different. Thus the differences between haves & have nots increases because you are choosing to benefit your own kid/individual family, and to ignore the wider society's needs. (I am absolutely supportive of homeschooling myself, though I do think abandonment of public schools by anyone who can get out of them is a serious problem.)
post #3 of 50
Democrates have a strong relationship to unions, uncluding teachers unions. So they support their views.
post #4 of 50
I'm not sure if this has anything to do with it or not...just my 2 cents.

The NEA (Nat'l Education Association) is a big supporter of the Democratic party. And the NEA is opposed to homeschooling, as written in their resolution B-69; which states that only state qualified teachers and state approved curriculum should be used. What's the point of homeschooling if its just school at home

Since the NEA is the major "union" for school teachers and the like, homeschoolers abandoning schools, as the previous poster mention, means less money for schools, teachers and eventually the NEA.

My mom and sister are both in public school education (one is a teacher, the other is a principal). Neither of them are NEA members because of the NEA's short sighted view on learning and education.

I'm a former college instructor and current homeschool mom. Neither major party truly gets the idea of educational autonomy, although Republicans are usually more receptive.

But check your local representatives for Senate and the House. You'll be surprised. We recently had the help of a Democratic state representative help overturn the state homeschooling regulations.

Like I said before, this is only mere speculation on my part,

Cara
post #5 of 50
it has been my experiance that democrats are against anything that weakens the public school system and sees anything that takes kids out of public chool as the enemy of the public school. and republicans are more likely to say screw the public schools just try something different. but I don't think either are particularly pro homeschooling as a rule.
post #6 of 50
I have noticed that too. I didn't know NEA was supported by the Democrats. Or if I did I blocked it.

Just another reason I have trouble finding my political party. :LOL:
post #7 of 50
What is the homeschooling freedom bill? I googled it and came up with a NY state bill, but I see you are in Oregon. Is it the NY bill you are specifically asking about or something else - a federal bill??
post #8 of 50
The NEA connection makes sense to me. In politics, just follow the money and you can usually find the headwaters of a political opinion (wow, Holy mixed metaphor, Batman!)

I remember the Clintons were such proponents and believers in public schools but ended up sending their daughter to a Friends' school in D.C. Now, I can't say that I blame them and they certainly had issues that most of us don't deal with (security, for one) but I remember that raising eyebrows at the time.

There are a lot celebrities who are sort of outspoken about their Democratic-ish political beliefs who are proclaiming that their kids will attend public schools - Cynthia Nixon is one and there are several others. Who knows how much if this is a true dedication to improving schools by keeping their money, influence and engagement in the system and how much is more a dedication to the platform of the party.
post #9 of 50
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I am absolutely supportive of homeschooling myself, though I do think abandonment of public schools by anyone who can get out of them is a serious problem.
I don't understand. Shouldn't anyone who WANTS out be able to get out? Should there be some people who just aren't able to leave the ps system?

And what is the new bill? I'm in OR too...
post #10 of 50
If you look at public education primarily as a jobs program it makes all kinds of sense. Democrats are going to fight anything that shrinks the gravy train.
post #11 of 50
Read Gatto's Underground Histroy of Education, it'll explain a LOT.
post #12 of 50
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Originally Posted by urklemama
If you look at public education primarily as a jobs program it makes all kinds of sense. Democrats are going to fight anything that shrinks the gravy train.

That is a bit simplistic. I suspect thre are a whole host of reasons that any one Democrat or the party as a whole would not support a particular bill about school choice or homeschooling. Though sometimes misguided, from our point of view as homeschoolers, Democrats have sincere concerns about the welfare of children - both schooled and home/un-schooled.

I will freely admit that there are less than altruistic reasons also, but if we want to fight for our right to homeschool, it is best that we not oversimplify our "opposition."
post #13 of 50
Primarily - and this long predates unions and NEA contributions - it's because public education is meant for everyone, regardless of race, religion, class, etc. When people are given autonomy in education, it tends to benefit certain races, classes, etc. Democrats want to protect public education for those who wouldn't have anywhere else to go. I agree with that, but not enough to sacrifice my daughter to a bad system.
post #14 of 50
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Can someone please explain this to me?
$$$$$$$
post #15 of 50
Mediocrity for everyone and tenure for the worst educators. When you get a teaching position, no matter how hard you suck eggs, you get to keep it forever.

I've heard it all-- the system is terrible, but at least everyone is equal.

Except it's not true. Kids in poor communities get squat. Schools are funded from a real estate tax base. If you live in a rich community, your school has more resources. if you live in a poor community, pray hard. But don;t ask for a voucher, because then the school systems wouldn't be 'equal'.

Big fat joke. we know there is no such thing as public school equity.

The NEA is a big joke, imo. And any politican who isn't working for equal fnding for all schools, no matter the real estate tax, is also a joke.

I mostly vote Dem, so I am a part of this mess as well, and the Dems can talk real good like they care, but all one needs to do is look at 'good' schools, and none are in poor areas. Schools in depessed areas simply do not have the tax base for funding. Period. So while poor parents are screaming for better schools or some way to hs or send their kid to a better school via vouchers, , the Dems scream "But schooling is the great American Equalizer!" Hell, no. A crappy school is a crappy school.

Real Estate tax is why a Weston MA elementary school can have field hockey & chemistry labs, and a Roxbury MA elementary school has peeling lead paint and no school library. And that's in a 'liberal 'state with a Kennedy as a Senator. You do the math.
post #16 of 50
This is my big-fat-huge-gripe with the democratic party. They don't trust me to make my own decisions. They don't stop at making my doctor available for my kids, they want to make sure we see him. They don't stop at making my schooling available, they want to make sure I attend. They don't stop at making my OB/MW available, they want to make sure I don't deliver without one. Sure, it is meant well, but they make the choice for me, and I don't like that! They can't seem to see that sometimes, people don't 'take advantage' of a program and it isn't because they don't know about it or are too lazy, but because they have a better alternative! I don't know why this is such a difficult concept.
post #17 of 50
In answer to the OP:

Because the Democratic Party supports Unions which run the school and the teachers Unions.

It is $$$$$.

I have not read the other posts, but this is my opinion...

I have worked in schools for over thirty years and almost any teacher who is honest will tell you that every successful student has behind them parents/guardians who really care about him/her.

Homeschooling works...screw that "socialization" argument...the "socialization" that children receive in school is so terrible; they imitate the worst of their peers, and each one wants to outdo the other one! When children are at home, their peers are their parents who usually set a good example, especially if they have decided to homeschool in this day and age.
post #18 of 50
Personally, I hope they scrap the whole system and privatize education....all of it.

But I am a realist also. I am not holding my breath.
post #19 of 50
It's not simplistic, but it sure is simple.
post #20 of 50
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Originally Posted by Wilhemina
That is a bit simplistic. I suspect thre are a whole host of reasons that any one Democrat or the party as a whole would not support a particular bill about school choice or homeschooling. Though sometimes misguided, from our point of view as homeschoolers, Democrats have sincere concerns about the welfare of children - both schooled and home/un-schooled.

I will freely admit that there are less than altruistic reasons also, but if we want to fight for our right to homeschool, it is best that we not oversimplify our "opposition."
I do not think any politician of any stripe or party is sincere about anything except his own interests, and that includes Democrats.

If you want to get a good view of what Democrats do to education, get a look at the California Public Schools; the Democrats have been in charge of the State Legislature, both Houses since 1990 and most of the State Offices since 1998. Schwarzenegger went in to the Governor's office at the end of 2003.

California spends nearly $9,500.00 per public school student and the results suck. Big Corporations are leaving California, especially Los Angeles, because the population is basically illiterate. This was a subject in the Los Angeles Daily News in the Summer of 2003.

Frankly, I think ALL education needs to be privatized. ALL. From preschool to the PhD.

Get Big Brother out of it.
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