Mothering › Forums › Pregnancy and Birth › Birth and Beyond › Gestational Diabetes...what would you do?
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:

Gestational Diabetes...what would you do?  

post #1 of 19
Thread Starter 
Hey there mamas,

I'm looking for some advice... I've been grappling with the gestational diabetes diagnosis for about 5 weeks, and I would love to hear some fresh perspectives.

A bit of background: I was diagnosed with gestational diabetes at around 28 weeks. The results of my 3-hr test were: 84 (fasting), 196 (1-hr), 186 (2-hr), and 136 (3-hr). This is my second pregnancy. I did not have GD with my son, but it's been implied that there might have been a "missed diagnosis" with him, as my 1-hr glucose test was very close to being too high (137), and he was "so big". (He was 8lb3oz, which doesn't seem unusually huge to me, and besides, in my family, we tend to have big babies, even though the women tend to be small.) No one in my family has diabetes. For this pregnancy, I am with a hospital-affiliated midwife practice that (I've since learned) works under the close watch of an OB, who seems to be the one calling the shots.

After following the gestational diabetes diet for two weeks, my glucose levels were fine (fasting levels usually in the 90-100 range; my practice prefers below 90, but was comfortable with these levels, and post-prandials were always below 120), but I lost 5 pounds. The OB (had to switch to seeing him because I'm now "high risk") took me off the diet, and had me go back to eating normally. My glucose levels stayed fine; the fasting levels actually improved a bit. Even the OB conceded that my levels on the 3-hr screen were pretty borderline, and called me "glucose intolerant". I thought this meant he'd be willing to treat me like a "normal" patient again. Boy, was I wrong!

At my most recent appt, he and the midwife on duty that day gave me a stern talking-to. What set them off was me questioning their decision to induce me on my due-date if I haven't gone into labor on my own by then. Their reasoning is simply that this is the "standard of care". I could not get them to give me a more compelling reason, ie, one that relates to me as an individual. Instead, they played hardball, and even asked me, "Don't you want your baby to be safe?"

I decided to search for another midwife... not really what I wanted to be doing at 33wks, but it was becoming more and more clear that this practice was just too medical-model-oriented for me.

I interviewed with another midwife practice who operates out of a birth center. They, too, would want to induce me at 40wks based on the GD diagnosis, and the midwife I met with said I was at an increased risk of having a stillborn baby. A second midwife practice gave me the same story.

Finally, I met with a wonderful independent midwife who does mostly homebirths, but who is also hospital-affiliated. She said that she had always been trained that if gestational diabetes is under control, there is no reason to treat the woman as anything other than a "normal" pregnant person, and to proceed accordingly. She also said a lot of things that just made sense to me: if a baby's not ready, induction won't work, and I could be getting set-up for surgical intervention. She also talked about gentler methods of getting things going: acupuncture, evening primrose oil,... She also suggested we think about non-stress tests and biophysical profiles before talking induction. She said she saw no reason--at this point--to talk about inducing me right at 40 weeks. I told her that I wasn't sure if I'd have the courage to go past 40 weeks. (I just can't get that word "stillborn" out of my head... I can imagine how terrified I'll feel if I go one day past my due-date. I know how silly that is. We all know how accurate those little wheels are, and I even know for a fact that I don't have a 28-day cycle.) She said we could see how things go, that this was my pregnancy, and I got to decide what direction we would take with respect to induction.

Sounds like she's the one for me, right? Well, at first, I felt so wonderful after talking to her, but then the doubts started to set in. It's almost like I've been trying so hard to get everyone to calm down about this diagnosis, and then, when I finally find someone who agrees with me, it really unnerved me. It was almost like, "Shouldn't you be freaking out like everyone else?! Can I trust you, if you're not pressing the panic button, too?!" I know this midwife used to be affiliated with a local birthing center (it closed recently), then she spent some time with a hospital-affiliated midwife practice, but left because she just couldn't take all the rules. In my heart, I know I can trust her, that she's very experienced, very highly regarded, and that she just doesn't want to follow the medical model, but... she seems like such a rogue compared to everyone else!

I would love to hear your thoughts on this. Would you go past 40 weeks? Are the NST and the BPP likely to give me any useful information, or are the false-positives/negatives with them? Am I crazy to think my diagnosis of GD may not be the incredibly serious situation everyone else seems to think it is? (I should admit that I have a lot of trouble with the diagnosis of gestational diabetes in the first place. Especially after reading Henci Goer's articles--if only I'd read them before consenting to the screen in the first place!--nevermind all the things like stress, certain vitamins, etc that could impact glucose absorption.)

Anyway, I just don't know what to do anymore. My brain feels totally fried, and I think I'm just researched out. Thanks in advance for sharing your perspectives and experiences, and many thanks for reading.

Monica
post #2 of 19
I'm sure you'll get a lot of good answers, but I wanted to respond so I'm just not reading and leaving without comment. I think the gestational diabetes is dangerous mainly because it sets you up to be treated as a medical emergency by OBs. I'm not actually aware of what the "danger" to the baby is in GD other than macrosomia, so you can take what I have to say with a grain of salt, of course. I would not be induced at 40 weeks because I would feel like the risks would be greater than continuing on.

I had a borderline GD test with my first. My OB didn't tell me that, just that it was fine. But apparently she had already scheduled my due date induction, because when I went out to make my next appointment, the nurse said, "Oh, I just scheduled your induction!"

Around 34 weeks or so, my OB started in telling me that I was really big and had suddenly grown a lot. Then she told me that she was worried that I had GD because my test was borderline, just a few points from the cutoff. So she sent me down for a blood sugar test, and she said it was fine, but that I was going to have a big baby. At about 38 weeks, she told me my induction was scheduled. I already knew that. I told her I didn't want to be induced, and she started in on how I would probably have to have a c-section.

I canceled my induction the night before it was scheduled, and ended up having the baby 4 days past my due date. It was a Sunday, so I got a different doctor in the practice who took a more hands-off approach, and who was friendly to my doula, and it all worked out. I think I was lucky because my OB could have pushed for the induction more. I honestly think she figured if things didn't work out that she would just do surgery. She told me "no heroics, we'll just go to a section if you have any problems" and that meant no pushing for over 2 hours, no forceps or vacuum extractor. I know now that I was pretty lucky to go into labor and get the guy I got. I ended up really liking him.
post #3 of 19
8lb3oz big? Whatever!

(((hugs))) This is such a tough situation to be in. I'm sorry that your doctor and midwife played the 'safe baby' card. That's very manipulative, especially as I've read there's no longer any reason to believe that GD in the absence of other health issues increases risk of stillbirth.

To me, the last midwife you spoke to sounds the most reasonable.

Have you read Henci Goer's articles on GD? You might find them very reassuring. There's some overlap between them, but I'll post links to all three that I know of.
Gestational diabetes
Gestational diabetes: A practical approach
Gestational Diabetes: The Emperor Has No Clothes

Hang in there!
Carolyn
post #4 of 19
I was going to post the links that Carolyn posted.

I think your current midwife is right on, and yes, I would go past 40 weeks. Can anyone give you a solid medical reason not to? The other practitioners you've seen are all basing their medical opinion on someone with apparently uncontrolled GD, not on you. Where is the evidence that someone with blood sugars within the range of normal must be induced? In fact, an induction is more likely to lead to a baby with problems than going overdue is. You are much more likely to need a surgical delivery -- forceps/vacuum/C-section. The baby is much more likely to die from one of those procedures. YOU are twice as likely to die from a C-section as you are from a normal vaginal delivery.

8lbs 3oz is NOT a big baby. It's just not. Not at all. No. Don't even let someone try to convince you that it is. 13lbs is a big baby. Your baby sounds more like average.
post #5 of 19
You are a strong mama with a strong baby inside. There is no reason to be induced at 40 weeks. First of all the 3 hour GTT test is flawed in my opinion. They give you an unnatural load of glucose that we would never...hopefully...ingest all at once. The fact that your test came back borderline is reassuring to me. It wasn't off the charts...just borderline. I am an RN at an OBGYN office. We would not induce for this. Stick with your supportive midwife. Make sure you're eating right and limit your sugar. All pregnant moms should do this.


It angers me that there are doctors out there that feel like they need to have control over everything. You are not high risk IMO. Continue to do what you are doing and if you go past you due date there is a reason for it. Try natural ways of getting labor going first!!!! But only when you decide to.
post #6 of 19
everyone is right.

Henci Goer's book, Obstetric Myths vs Research Realities, is a good place to start. If you want, PM me with your mail address and I'll copy the chapter on GD.

The risk of stillbirth only happens with TRUE insulin-dependent diabetics before pregnancy. Not with women who were diagnosed with GD and controlled it with diet.

I had a client recently who had GD in her previous pregnancy...she was on insulin and her numbers were still crazy. they induced her three weeks early, birth from hell, etc., etc.

this pregnancy, she controlled her blood sugars with a very low-carb diet and lots of monitoring. she had her baby at 41 1/2 weeks (we induced labor at home because she had developed VERY high blood pressure). an hour and a half labor, 8lb 9oz baby girl. Beautiful.

You can do this. You're doing the right thing looking for someone that will support you and what you want.
post #7 of 19
I want to second pam. Gestational diabetes (even if you believe in it for a diagnosis) that is controlled with no therapy (you aren't even on a diet now, right?) doesn't pose any additional risk to mom or baby.
The uterus does not expire on your "due date." 40 weeks is an average, not a limit (and actually, it's not even an accurate average.)
Sounds like the last midwife you interviewed is actually willing to let you make decisions - and willing to share with you how she makes decisions. It sounds like she'd be willing to tell you also if there was anything she was concerned about. I'd trust that in a heartbeat over a bunch of folks who want to do something just because it's "standard of care."
post #8 of 19
I'm a nurse at a birth center staffed by a physician and a midwife. We would be happy with your lab work and you would be not be induced at your due date. 8 pounds would put you right around average for our practice. You won't even get a "wow that's a big baby" until you go around 10# :LOL . And even then you'd have to add over 3 pounds to get us to rave about it.

I like the midwife you found. She sounds in line with what we would tell you. I hope you have a wonderful birth!

Lori
post #9 of 19
I have also been diagnosed with Gestational diabetes and right now I am struggling with keeping my sugars decent. I will probably have to start on insulin at the rate I am going. I have been trying to go low-carb, but feeling miserable with it.

I am also a homebirth midwife and now consulting with an ob and next week an endo. Your numbers sound great and we would have no problem delivering you at home. I have no problems personally with big babies, last week I delivered a 10 pound girl that was actually small for this mom! And 8 and 9 pound babies are not really large in my opinion.

So, I would trust your instincts and go with the midwife. You can always change care again at the end or just show up at the hospital :LOL
post #10 of 19
I had GD with my baby who is just over two weeks old. She came on her own and was 8lbs 10 oz, a day or two before my due date. My midwife was not even talking about induction yet. And if we had decided on induction, we would have tried the natural methods first, not pit in a hospital. I did have a BBP and non-stress test at 38 weeks just as a precaution. The non-stress test was perfect. And the BBp went well, too. My midwife felt better about letting me go past my due date because everything looked so good. And they had a gestimate on size at 7.5 lbs, which they said could be one lb of either way. The only reason my midwife was thinking possible induction was the size of the baby. They were worried if I went too far she would be too big for me to have. This was based on previous ultrasounds. I had one at 17 weeks and she was in the 50%, then 9 weeks later I had a level 2 u/s and she had jumped up to 95%. That was the only reason my midwife was concerned.

I think your new midwife sounds great! Good luck!
post #11 of 19
I can share my own experience with you:

I was diagnosed with GD as well- but before following their stupid diet, when I got the glucose monitor, I simply took my blood sugar several times a day, and found out what I suspected all along: I was already controlling my blood sugar just fine by listening to my body. I never changed my diet, and I had a healthy pregnancy and a healthy baby. The only times my blood sugar was ever out of control during my pg was when I took the stupid GTTs- and I knew after 1 sip that the glucose solution was going to make me sick- I only drank the rest because I felt compelled to complete the test.

In my CNM/OB practice, they sent me to an OB after the initial diagnosis then switched me back to the CNM after about 3 weeks, when my blood sugar was under control. It seems very strange to me that they'd keep you with the OB when your glucose is well under control.

A few other differences I found between the midwife and the OB- when I measured about 1cm "too big" the midwife said I was "just about right" and the OB said I was measuring big and sounded worried. Their whole approach to my pg was vastly different- and this was within the same practice!! I definitely would have worked with a home-birth midwife if my finances had allowed it- the midwife I used for my dds' births was absolutely wonderful- it was like inviting a friend over to my house for the birth.

If I were you, I'd switch.

Remember that you're not going to have all these fears drummed into your head on a regular basis once you've switched te the HB midwife. Plus, if you're REALLY concerned when you get to 39+ weeks, she'll work with you at that time, with whatever interventions might truly be needed.

I have to agree with all the others about big babies not being a problem. Hannah was 9 lbs and Jack was 8 lbs 14oz- and both of them literally popped out in about 2-3 pushes. I scarcely tore- I had some mild discomfort in the perenium but nothing that required stitches and it all healed on its own in less than a day. Personally, I'd be nervous having a hospital birth with a "big" baby, because I'd be afraid they'd limit my mobility during labor and/or my position during pushing and CAUSE problems. Heck, I'd be worried about a hospital birth with any size baby for the same reasons!!
post #12 of 19
I had GD with DD who was born in Feb. My midwife had me do a Non-stress test and check-ups with a Cardiologist (fast pulse problems not related to the diabetes) and an OB. (The OB was great! He basically said that if the midwife wanted to keep me then he'd just be her back-up!). The checkups and the NST were fine.

Anyways, the diabetic diet didn't work enough for me and I was put on insulin for the last 2 months. My midwife and I had discussed going over the 40 week timeline, and she suggested introducing herbal drink for inducing labour after I had gone to 40wks + few days. When that didn't help I waited till 41wks. By that time I was so tired, heavy, and fed up that I consented doing a prostaglandin gel induction. When that didn't work, I waited another few days and repeated it at 41wks+5 days which resulted in labour. Dd was 9lbs 4 oz at birth.

I had a couple of complications during labour that resulted in me having a C-section, but none of it was related to the diabetes. So yes it is ok IMO, to go to 40 wks and over (with the ok of your midwife).
post #13 of 19
Oh, wanted to mention the other risk from GD. THere's the baby being big, but the baby is also at risk for hypoglysemia (sp). But if you feed the baby right away is shouldn't be a problem. The signs of that are not maintaining her body temp and not wanting to eat. I nursed my baby right away and she had no problems.
post #14 of 19
I think the latest midwife sounds like the only reasonable person you've talked to thus far. I get how the others have scared the crap out of you though. I think you know what you *should* do but probably feel in the back of your mind that if you let yourself be "managed" then you're absolved of responsibility of a potential bad-outcome (like if something were to happen b/c you went past 40 weeks). Does that make sense?
post #15 of 19
Thread Starter 
Thank you, thank you, thank you! I feel so much better after reading all of your posts. I really enjoyed reading your words of advice, and hearing your personal experiences. After a lot of reflection, I've decided to break up with my current practice, and go with the homebirth midwife who was so supportive of me. It's going to feel so good to call the OBs office and tell him we're through!

Your posts were all so wise, so objective, so reasonable... It all seems so obvious when I hear it from you. I guess I was feeling so trapped in the medical model that I couldn't get to this place without your help. I feel strengthened, empowered, reassured,... exactly what I should be feeling as my baby's birth approaches. I really hate to sound like Susan Powter here, but I think it's long past time to take back the power!

I know it's going to be difficult. Damage has been done, and I'm still a little scared to change courses, against the advice of my current practice. Lovebirthing, you hit the nail on the head when you wondered whether there might be some odd sense of security that comes from allowing myself to be "managed", even if it meant going against my intuition. I'm hoping that with a little time and some distance, I'll feel better and better about my choice. As jplain pointed out, once that "safe baby card" is played... it's almost like a voodoo curse! And of course, the word "stillborn" will continue to echo for a while, I think, even if it's really not even relevant to my situation. I liked your point about this, though, Ruthla, that once I'm done with the current practice, I won't get my fears re-activated at every visit.

I'm going to keep this discussion thread bookmarked, so I can always come back to it when the worry starts to get overwhelming, and I need a little e-reassurance! (or even if I need a chuckle--doctorjen, your line about how the uterus doesn't suddenly expire at 40 weeks is still making me laugh! But that's exactly how the OB was acting!)

Pamamidwife, I also wanted to thank you for offering to copy the Henci Goer chapters for me. My library doesn't have it, but I did decide to order a copy. I found a used one on-line for not too much. It sounds like it's an important book to have, and I figured I'd spring for it. Thanks again for your generous offer.

Thanks to all of you who took the time to read my long post and to offer such valuable advice. I really appreciate it, and all of you. Best wishes to everyone...

Monica
post #16 of 19
You've gotten tons of great advice, I just wanted to chime in too Your story is exactly why I refused all GD testing. They don't understand GD - if it's even a condition (Henci Goer's info is well researched....) Once they stick you with that label everything is on their schedule.

In your shoes I would dump all the system and go with a homebirth midwife (at HOME) Even being in the hospital you're likely to fall under their rules.

good luck!

-Angela
post #17 of 19
Quote:
Originally Posted by mightymo
I really hate to sound like Susan Powter here, but I think it's long past time to take back the power!


Hey, Susan Powter rocks. She's a complete advocate of homebirth!
post #18 of 19
Good luck with your baby.
post #19 of 19
Quote:
Originally Posted by mightymo
I would love to hear your thoughts on this. Would you go past 40 weeks? Are the NST and the BPP likely to give me any useful information, or are the false-positives/negatives with them? Am I crazy to think my diagnosis of GD may not be the incredibly serious situation everyone else seems to think it is? (I should admit that I have a lot of trouble with the diagnosis of gestational diabetes in the first place. Especially after reading Henci Goer's articles--if only I'd read them before consenting to the screen in the first place!--nevermind all the things like stress, certain vitamins, etc that could impact glucose absorption.)

Anyway, I just don't know what to do anymore. My brain feels totally fried, and I think I'm just researched out. Thanks in advance for sharing your perspectives and experiences, and many thanks for reading.

Monica
Oh mama, I feel for you. Those medwives and doctors you talked to are full of it and I hate that they are tormenting you and putting fear into your heart. ARGH! It just makes me so angry. Oh my gosh, if there even is such a thing as gestational diabetes you so don't have it. An 8 lb 3 oz baby is so big???? What a load of total and complete crap!!! I know you know all this but I am just so angry for you.

The last midwife sounds like the one I would go with were I in your situation. And I kind of was. My first pregnancy I used an sOB. I "failed" the first GD screening though I did pass the second one. They decided to induce me on my due date because the u/s estimated my son weighed 8 lbs 9 oz and that was too big. I knew I shouldn't do it but I gave in and did. I was lucky to get out of that hospital without having a c-section. After 36 hours of labor, including over 3 hours of pushing I pushed out a 10 lb 6 oz baby. The sOB's comment was "If we had known he was going to be that big we definitely would've given you a c-section." And "Don't worry. We'll never let you go that long again."

ICK! Who were they kidding?! I would never let them near me again!

Next time I found a wonderful homebirth midwife. I told her all about everything including that I do think my blood sugar is/was somwhat of an issue. I also told her I didn't think the GTT was worth anything and that I planned to monitor my own blood sugar. She was totally cool with that. She did some research (as did I) about the normal range of blood sugar values in pregnancy. It was kind of a pain to do it but it provided me with good information. It taught me what kind of things helped my blood sugar as well as what caused it to go through the roof. It also showed me that I felt better when my blood sugar was better.

Anyway, I'm not sure why I am babbling on and on about this. I guess because I know if I had gone back to the OB practice I used with first that my second pregnancy and birth would have been everything I did NOT want. I would've been considered high risk. I would've been tested and monitored and tested some more. I would have been treated as if I were sick and that would have made me feel sick. Ultimately I would have been induced in a hospital, might even have ended up with a section because my baby wasn't ready to be born yet. Instead I went with a wonderful, qualified, warm, trusting, loving, nurturing midwife who trusted me and my baby and my body. My pregnancy was nothing but natural and calm. I never never never felt like I was anything but normal (well my m/s did suck but that's a whole different topic ) My midwife told me many times that she knew my baby would be born at exactly the perfect time. And she was. Lilah was born 3 days after my "due date." She weighed 8 lbs 14 oz and I had a beautiful, fast labor and birth at home.

I hate that they have scared you and are making you question your body.

Okay, I admit that I haven't read any of the responses yet so I'm going to do that now.

Best of luck with everything. It sounds like you know what you want.
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:
  Return Home
  Back to Forum: Birth and Beyond
This thread is locked  
Mothering › Forums › Pregnancy and Birth › Birth and Beyond › Gestational Diabetes...what would you do?