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post #1 of 12
Thread Starter 
I was in Haifa today and I saw their beautiful gardens there. I was just curious if any MDC members belong to Bahai. I understand that they are very private and do not prostelytize. So if your out there, I am not looking to convert and I'll try not to get too nosey

-BelovedBird
post #2 of 12
Hi BelovedBird - you posted this way long ago, but I'm new to the boards here and wanted to say that, yes, there is a Baha'i here

I'm happy to (try to) answer any questions you (or anyone) might have!
post #3 of 12
Thread Starter 
Thank you Asterias! I appreciate your response and hope you are still around.

So, as I understand it no Baha'i live here, that it is not allowed. Could you explain that? The gardens are the shrine of the Bab, right?
I think that I read that you don't prostelitize, do you accept converts readily? Is there a conversion process?

From my reading I gathered that the main Baha'i practice is social service and justice. Are there rules that you follow?

TIA!

-BelovedBird
post #4 of 12
Hi BelovedBird,

The only Baha'is who live in Israel are those invited to serve (for a specific period of time) at the Baha'i World Centre in Haifa. The Baha'i Faith has close ties to the Holy Land since Baha'u'llah, the Prophet Founder of the Baha'i Faith, was exiled from Persia throughout the Ottoman Empire (first to Baghdad, then Adrianople (Edirne) and Constantinople, and finally to Akka). He spent many years at the end of His life as a prisoner there. It is a sacred place to us as well; all Baha'is are exhorted to undertake a pilgrimage there at least once in their lives if possible - my family went when I was a child and I still remember the smell of the orange blossoms in the gardens. . . Baha'is do not teach the Baha'i Faith in Israel or accept converts in Israel so that there is no misunderstanding of our intentions there.

The Shrine of the Bab is the white building with the gold dome from which the terraces and gardents flow. There are Baha'i holy places on Mount Carmel and vicinity. (The Bab - the "Gate" - was the forerunner, announcing the coming of Baha'u'llah - He was executed in Shiraz, but His remains were moved to Haifa years later)

The Baha'i Faith does prohibit proselytizing or coercion; we are encouraged to share the Message of Baha'u'llah with those who are interested, but we are not permitted to pressure anyone to convert. There is a metaphor in the Baha'i Writings of offering the teachings of Baha'u'llah to someone in the spirit of offering a gift to a king. If it is accepted, well and good; if not, we don't push.

For those who wish to become Baha'i, the process of conversion is two-fold, I guess. The most significant part would be something that happens within a person - when that person accepts Baha'u'llah and His teachings. Each country has an administrative process of enrolling someone in the Baha'i community afterwards - in the US, a person would sign a card to be formally enrolled in the community. There is no clergy in the Baha'i Faith, so each individual is ultimately responsible for his/her spirtiual development and deepening in the teachings of Baha'u'llah - a life-long process of conversion, really! There are elected administrative bodies called Spiritual Assemblies in each locality that direct the community life of the Baha'is who live in that town/city, but the spiritual development of the individual is the responsibility of the individual and God.

Baha'is believe that each spiritual revelation from God comes with two sets of teachings: the timeless, eternal spiritual teachings that they all share (belief in Divinity, the "Golden Rule", etc.) and which is renewed with each successive revelation, and the material/social teachings that are especially suited for a particular stage of development in human history. Another analogy: imagine a collection of very different lamps - the lamps represent the different material teachings of the world's religions but the light which illuminates them (the spiritual teachings) is the same. We are encouraged to look to the light and its Source (God) and not focus on differences between the lamps.

So there are spiritual and material/social teachings and laws in the Baha'i Faith. Baha'is believe that there is one God, one religion that is renewed periodically (every thousand years or so) by God, and one human race. We believe that the reality of the world is that it is unified; the strife and bloodshed that we see is the result of humanity turning its back on the reality that we are inextricably interdependent. There's a website that has a nice description of the purpose of human life:
http://www.us.bahai.org/global/purpose.htm
(actually the rest of the site is good too!)

And here's another site:
http://www.bahai.org/

There are "rules" (we call them laws) that individuals are to follow: prayer, meditation, annual period of fasting (from sunrise to sunset for 19 days), service to others, etc. The second website is pretty good at discussing those. I'm getting long-winded here, so I'll leave it at that!

I hope somewhere in ALL of that, I've answered most of your questions! LOL! Please feel free to ask any others you may have
post #5 of 12
Hi, I'm a Baha'i too!

I didn't see this thread the first time around or I would have replied. Even though I haven't posted much in the past, I've been around for a while.

Beloved Bird, your posts always make me smile because you are in Israel. My mom is one of the people serving at the Baha'i World Center in Haifa, so I've had the chance to visit a few times. I really love it there.

Asterias, so glad to see you here! Really nice to find another Baha'i at MDC. I actually came to the Spirituality forum to find your name and pm you. I saw your post to the how will you raise your kids thread last week. I was thinking about posting there too, but I am childless as yet. Just a pre-mama stalker of sorts.
post #6 of 12
Hi Lemon! Nice to "see" you here - I'm new to the boards here, but I don't think I got a PM from you yet : so let me know if you send one and don't hear from me!
post #7 of 12
Thread Starter 
Hi Lemon! That is so cool that your Mom is here! We are pretty close to Haifa! To the Baha'i serving at the World Center leave Haifa? Does your Mom ever go touring? We live in a great city to visit if she is ever interested.


-BelovedBird
post #8 of 12
i am a Bahai too, beloved bird... i feel like i am coming out of the closet or something! i never discuss my religion here......and it feels funny to. i really truly wish i could visit haifa. what is it like there as far as war and such? it seems so dangerous , sad and just very hard to be there, but i only have US news to base that on...

(edited wheni realised B.B> is not bahai, oopsie...( i asked her questions about it)
post #9 of 12
hey
i am fairly new to the boards so i just found this. i am also Baha'i. i am so glad to see that there are a few of us here. i just signed my card but was raised in the faith. i would love to hear from you guys.

louise
mama to juniper
wife to ben
post #10 of 12
Hi Everyone,
Thanks for the thread, BelovedBird. I am a Baha'i, too, and lived in Haifa for a year back in 1996-97 while I served at the Baha'i World Center. Yes, most of the people who serve in Haifa do leave eventually. I returned home to Canada, and started a family.

I hope that you are finding the answers to your questions. Asterias gave good links!

All the best to you,
Sandra
post #11 of 12
so, what do you guys think about your parenting choices and the Baha'i writings? do you think AP is Baha'i , is non AP Baha'i also?

i kind of think AP is Baha'i, i really love all the things Abdu'l Baha says about children. one writing comes to mind about how we should teach children to care for and nurture animals to get them to understand compassion. and all the stuff he says about Mothers, rocks, also. about them being the primary educator, etc. i dont have any quotes right now, but just wanted to post about it...
post #12 of 12
Hey, I am going to start another thread about parenting as Baha'is, so that we don't jump on BelovedBird's post. I'll post it in the spirituality form if anyone wants to get on board.

Sandra
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