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post #61 of 137
Hang in there Audrey, it WILL work out, be diligent, you will be happier in the end (and so will your baby).
post #62 of 137
YOU can do this. My son failed to thrive, I got hooked up with a LC (105.00 US) for about two months. I STILL have my hospital pump. At 40.00 bucks a month it is cheaper than formula when I have to be away.

Birth 7lbs 3 oz
two weeks 6 lbs 12 oz "lets get you in with a really good LC" and I started taking fenugreek, and drinking black butte porter.
three weeks 6 lbs 10 oz : ...added reglan to the mix, BF, pumped, hubby bottle fed, (over and over again) "don't look now but mama's got her boobs out"

3 weeks+3 days of work with a LC 7lbs

four weeks, 8lbs 2oz

six weeks 10 lbs no more formula, My Ped said "sink or swim" on monday, see you friday for weight check.

Friday 10 lbs, 5 oz.

The boy has not seen formula since.
8 plus months, 20 plus pounds.

YOU CAN DO IT
post #63 of 137
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Originally Posted by 3babiesin2years
I will contact a LLL leader. I have not done it before b/c I thought the problems were worked out.

Audrey, your determination *will* see you through this!!! Keep up the great work. And keep in mind that even if $$ is tight right now, you'll be spending a TON more money if you go the full-time formula feeding route. So it's worth it to spend the $50 on a well-recommended, very informed IBCLC, or on an SNS or renting an excellent quality pump (WIC will often subsidize a hospital-grade pump rental!!!). If you're lucky, one of your local LLL leaders might even be an IBCLC, so if you go to a meeting, you essentially get her advice for free.

At any rate, DEFINITELY contact and make an effort to get to some of your local LLL groups and API groups for BF support *and* for recommendations for an excellent IBCLC. And don't be afraid to shop around -- I'm in a city of about 17 different LLL leaders, and there are some I really respect and love (super informed, very encouraging) and some I don't find very helpful at all (lacking in empathy or information ). SO, don't hesitate to call *several* leaders, or attend several different groups, until you find someone who you find to be responsive, informed, helpful, etc.

Bottom line: HANG IN THERE!!! We had a really rocky start, too, but after trying 3 different LCs and 2 different LLL groups, plus a ton of support from DH and my parents, we were finally able to just breastfeed (without all the hoopla and paraphanalia). Worth every crying session and every nipple pain and every effort!!!

YOU CAN DO THIS!
post #64 of 137
Oh, I'm so sorry! I thought things were good, too!!! I agree with everyone else...you can do this! Please call an LLL leader. They are awesome! Although I agree with the PP when she said you may have to shop around! I had a bunch of LC's tell me I had to quit nursing before I found a really wonderful LLL leader who helped me figure things out with my DD.

I'm glad they're going to do bloodwork- just to rule out anything physical. I know things will work out. I promise you will not regret all the effort you're putting into this. It is so worth it.

Hang in there!!!


Shannon
post #65 of 137
Audrey,
Green poops are an indication that dd is not getting enough hindmilk. You may know this already, but when baby nurses, the first few minutes she is getting foremilk, which is like the liquidy milk, then your hindmilk starts flowing, which is the really heavy calorie stuff. It's the main course. If she is only nursing for a few minutes at a time, she may not be getting to the good stuff - and green poops are an indication of that. Try to make sure she drains one breast before going to the other one. If she pops off after a few minutes, try burping her, and putting her back on that same breast so she can get to the fatty, calorie rich milk. When she is completely done with that breast, then offer the other one. When you see yellow poop, you know she is getting more of that hindmilk.

That's good that you don't use a paci. When she seems restless, instead of the paci, swing, or bouncy seat, etc., offer the breast. I would also suggest offering the breast more often for now while you are trying to get her weight up. Instead of waiting until she is crying, offer every hour. Don't force it, just offer. If she doesn't want it try again later.

I admire you for hanging in there and trusting your abilities. Many moms may have given up by now! You are doing great. Especially for having four kiddos! Keep us posted!
post #66 of 137
Thread Starter 
Thank you all so much for the support. I really wanted to throw in the towel yesterday when I saw the scale but then I thought, I love the bond we have and we have worked too hard to quit now. I really appreciate the sweet words that I get here. It is so encouraging. I am going to call a LLL leader tomorrow.

Audrey
post #67 of 137
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Originally Posted by 3babiesin2years
Thanks for responding. No she does not take a paci, she has kind of put herself on a schedule of 2 1/2 to 3 hours but I feed her whenever she cries basically. Her poop is mostly greenish and soaks into her diaper. Occassionaly we have a seedy, yellow bf baby poop.

I will contact a LLL leader. I have not done it before b/c I thought the problems were worked out.

Thanks
Audrey
A couple thoughts....when you say she put herself on a schedule, that's good, sounds like you are going by her cues. When you say you feed when she cries....it may be just right, depending on her personality, but it may needed/possible to nurse more often. The American Academy of Pediatrics says crying is a late sign of hunger, and that feeding cues include sucking, mouthing, or simply being alert. Some babies give a gentle little grunt/squeak when they want to nurse. Then there are those babies (like my dd and maybe yours? ) that cry more often and more easily.

If I had a question about my baby's weight, I probably wouldn't wait two and a half hours between the beginning of one feeding and the beginning of the next unless it was at night...KWIM? Unless offering more upset her that is.

I hope this rambly post made sense. Good luck!
post #68 of 137
I don't know how this works with low supply, but a mom in my birth group tried this when her baby had green poop. Nurse on each side twice before switching. Pump the other if you have to, but baby will get more fat & calories if you double up on one breast. The mom that told me about it had no more green poops after just a few days.

Good for you for sticking with it this long! I am so glad you have this place to come for support.
post #69 of 137
Oh my gosh yes, see a LLL Leader.

Thanks for the update. I am new to this thread but Momtwice told me to take a look.

Small greenish poops that just soak into the diaper are of course, not good enough. It sounds like you were doing well a month or so ago. I wonder what happened? It def sounds like she is only getting a little foremilk, not the full feeding she needs. How is yr breast pain now, BTW?

Do you hold her tummy to tummy when you nurse? Make sure she is turned in so she doesn't have to turn her head to get to the breast.

Until you see yr Leader, offer to nurse every hour, or several times an hour. Resume pumping and offer it by cup, dropper or even bottle.

If she seems to be in pain while nursing which makes her reluctant to nurse and pop off after a few mins, I think back to the mom who recced cranial sacral therapy. Or chiropractic. If she has spinal misalignment (can happen during birth) it might hurt her neck or jaw to bf. Go see a practitioner, it can only help!

If you resume pumping every 2 hours and there is not much there, I would ask you to consider supping with artificial baby milk again, just for a while until you restiulate your supply.

3 mos is the time for another growth spurt. Try to get her nursing more often. Some babies are too laid back for their own good. Try for every hour during the day and only have one 3 hr period at night.
post #70 of 137
Keep trying! You're doing great by your baby!

I wanted to let you know that I have a strong sucker, a baby that doesn't nurse for more than 10 mintues, refuses to take both sides-ever, and gained slowly. The best advise I got was to nurse one side at least twice and then nurse the other side...and often. She is nearly 18 months now, and 20.5 lbs and now has a sign for nurse. And boy does she love to nurse. But only for a few minutes each time. What I ended up doing is nursing her all morning on my right side and all night on my left side. That way she got more of the hindmilk. Perhaps that may help. As mentioned above, the greenish poops are indicative of an imbalance. And although I look terribly lopsided throughout the day, I don't care. Noone's ever mentioned it either. The greenish poops went away but she still gained slowly. Our ped says she's fine cuz she's meeting her milestones, not getting sick and looks hydrated and energetic.

This is so very fragmented but its late for me.
post #71 of 137

Dr. Sears recommends.........

I'm a BIG Dr. Sears reader, and probably a LOT of people here are too....

I read the Breastfeeding book while pumping/supplementing for ds. (I didn't discover Sears soon enough...)

If you don't sling, try it. (unless of course you've got back problems or something that prevents it.)

Let her eat as much as she likes, her 7 mins or whatever, then burp and walk around with her upright for about 20 mins. and re-offer the same breast.

Offer the same breast for a 3-4 hour period. Pump the other one once in there so you don't lose supply. This also gives you something to give her if you have to supplement. (I don't know if the first part is Sears or where I heard it, the second is me, a mom who had to do the pumping thing exclusively.)

You could also pump for a few minutes first, you'll see the milk go from watery to more milky-looking. You can then latch her on and she will get all hindmilk. Or, if you can do this (I was NOT good at it) you could just hand-express. (what I might do with that watery milk is add it in with the milk from your other breast, yeah it's not quite as fatty, but it's still a 'real milk' supplement, or save it in your freezer until this weight-gain worry is over and use it in case of separation...maybe mixed with some fattier milk if you've got it.)

Another thing I've heard of NICU moms doing--babies who need to gain weight fast--is pumping the foremilk, saving that, and then pumping the hindmilk and giving just that to the baby as supplement. That way, they're getting all 'grow milk.' (I would *assume* they are saving the other for later occasional supplementing in case of separation maybe? when it wouldn't matter so much if the baby gets one bottle that's less calorie-dense?) You could do that with the side you're not nursing on too.

Rent a hosp. grade pump, it will build and keep supply better than any other, and even at $40-$65/mo, it is cheaper than full time formula...........you will NOT regret the investment.

I would try the feeding on one side more often and other techniques before trying supplements to increase supply. Feel free to PM me if you want to know where to get dom. I took it, and it was side-effect-free for me.
post #72 of 137
Thread Starter 
Things seem to be a little better. Thanks so much for the advice. I have been doing the one side at a time thing for the last two days and it seems to be going better. Although she got one shot on Thursday and has been very sleepy and feverish. And that's another story for another thread. :

Anyway she hadn't gone poopy since Friday but she went this morning. And it was yellow and seedy so I think we are doing better. I wasn't able to get in touch with a LLL leader over the weekend. I'm going to try again today.
post #73 of 137
Awesome for YOU!

Hang in there, sounds like you are turning a corner!
post #74 of 137
Sounds like things are getting better. Some things just from personal experience that can cause weight issues are reflux and food intolerances. Evan was 15#5oz the day after his 7 mos birthday. He's right under 10% and there was at least 1 wk where he lost weight and quite a few wks he didn't gain anything or at least not 'enough'. The first week on his reflux meds helped though. We still battle it a lot, but at least we know what to look for and how to help. We also use 4ozs of formula a day and he's still not getting that fabulous weight gain, so some babies just don't gain a lot. He's also milk/soy/egg intolerant and I'm on a strict diet for that. He nurses often and I don't think he always gets the hind milk either, it's hard to make him get it though! I thought I read this somewhere, but I could be way off, lol, but maybe she was bigger at birth, she's just settling into a more natural curve for herself? Maybe she's just meant to be a smaller baby, but was born at a higher weight? Does that make sense? Evan was 7#8oz at birth and 8# at 4 wks. I don't know, but kudos for keeping at it!
post #75 of 137
Hooray for yellow seedy poop! :
post #76 of 137
Thread Starter 
Thanks.

thepeach80 Yes she was big. She was 10lbs 12oz. And she was only 12lbs 3oz last week at 11 weeks. I just can't figure her out. She had a really good stool yesterday am and then all day had these little mucousy green things. I have wondered about reflux and food allergies. My 18 month old is allergic to milk and has at least a sensitivity to soy as well. And she had reflux. But I don't see the signs of relux with this one. I can't tell if she is hungry. I have tried to offer her formula yesterday and this am and she will not take it. SHe seems fussy though. BUt she has been messed up since she got her shot on Thursday. Anyway I will keep pressing on.
post #77 of 137
Some reflux symptoms:

constant or sudden crying or colic like symptoms
irritability and pain
poor sleep habits typically with frequent waking
arching their necks and back during or after eating
spitting-up or vomiting
wet burp or frequent hiccups
frequent ear infections or sinus congestion

Evan has silent reflux so it's not the obvious throwing up that some babies have. Also, he gets the green, stringy diapers when I eat something I shouldn't (mainly milk). We were giving him probiotics since he's on abx and had to stop b/c he was reacting. They say they're dairy free, but I guess there's enough in there to make him react. We don't vax, but I've often heard it can effect reflux a lot if that is a problem for her. I know anytime Evan gets sick he's miserable w/ his reflux. Evan is kinda fussy like that too sometimes, just being a baby I guess. He acts hungry and fusses and I worry he's not getting enough, but he won't take a bottle so I guess he's not that hungry? More hugs!
post #78 of 137
I know it's too late but I am kind of sad you shot her immune system right now when she is not gaining well.

Why did you not get in touch with LLL? What about calling an IBCLC (bd certified lactation consultant) as well?

You say you can't tell if she is hungry. Is she lethargic? Offer your breast every hour. You are the mom and need to be in charge of this laid back little one.

Are you pumping? Are you getting anything with the pump?
post #79 of 137
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by DaryLLL
I know it's too late but I am kind of sad you shot her immune system right now when she is not gaining well.

Why did you not get in touch with LLL? What about calling an IBCLC (bd certified lactation consultant) as well?

You say you can't tell if she is hungry. Is she lethargic? Offer your breast every hour. You are the mom and need to be in charge of this laid back little one.

Are you pumping? Are you getting anything with the pump?
I am still unsure how I feel about vaccinating. I did only give her one shot, the DTaP which I know is more than one in and of itself. I am scared of being in that small percentage, where babies die from the diseases. I had a baby that died and it is very hard to lose a child. That has made me hypersenstive to everything having to do with my children. I am trying to do what's best for them. The decision we made was to go very slowly on the shots. We may still decide not to do anymore. I just don't know.

I have a call into a LLL leader in my area. I called her yesterday.

I saw the LC from the health dept. And at the hospital. Both were nice but really didn't see a problem with her latch or anything. I may be able to see another LC but it is about $ right now. We are on WIC and so the formula is free. It's very hard to convince my husband to spend the $ on a LC or other tools for bf when we are struggling anyway.

She will take the breast anytime. But a lot of the time, there is no swallowing. She will be gulping for about 3-4 min and then start jerking it around. But the most formula she will take after nursing is 1/2 -1 oz.

Last night she had formula at 9:30 (my MIL was watching her) and nursed for 25-30 min at 10:30. Is that b/c she was truly hungry? She seemed like she was.

Also it is still painful. I am not sure if that is b/c she is working so hard to get anything out. I'm not sure if I have a sufficient supply.

We are going to go tomorrow to weigh her and if she has not gained I am going to get a scale.

I know giving her formula is not helping my supply. But if she is hungry what else do I do? I have an 8 year old and an 18 month old at home too. And my dh is working like crazy and about to get a 2nd job too. He just by situation can not be a lot of help right now.

I don't want to quit but I don't want her to be hungry either.

Thanks for listening.

Audrey
post #80 of 137
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Originally Posted by 3babiesin2years
I am still unsure how I feel about vaccinating. I did only give her one shot, the DTaP which I know is more than one in and of itself. I am scared of being in that small percentage, where babies die from the diseases. I had a baby that died and it is very hard to lose a child. That has made me hypersenstive to everything having to do with my children. I am trying to do what's best for them. The decision we made was to go very slowly on the shots. We may still decide not to do anymore. I just don't know.
So sorry about your loss.

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I have a call into a LLL leader in my area. I called her yesterday.
Can you put in a call to one or two more leaders? Sometimes leaders get busy in summer, go on vacation, etc. If you need help finding one, let me know your area and I can find them for you.

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I saw the LC from the health dept. And at the hospital.
I wonder if they were IBCLC? Anyone can call herself a lc. doens't mean they are truly qualified.


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She will take the breast anytime. But a lot of the time, there is no swallowing. She will be gulping for about 3-4 min
then offer offer offer.

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and then start jerking it around.
Did you try breast compression at that point?

Can your ped rec a cranial sacral or chiro practitioner?

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Last night she had formula at 9:30 (my MIL was watching her) and nursed for 25-30 min at 10:30. Is that b/c she was truly hungry?
Of course! That is a good normal nursing session and evening milk is high in fat!

Nurse that baby every hour! If you need to chase yr toddler, nurse her in a sling. Good luck.
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