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post #101 of 161
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Originally Posted by philomom
We tried it with our son. Mostly because of the pine derby car races. After this year we are done with it. Same things everyone else mentioned. Also, because it is Dad-run, it can get chaotic. Not like the orderly and more quiet Girl Scouts at all. No offense to dads but they seem to have a high tolerance for running around, loud noise and boys doing inappropriate things.

Dad run?

dd's girl scout troup had more dads than moms volunteer, and I ran sds cub scout den we had more moms than dads in boyscouts


-Heather
post #102 of 161
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Originally Posted by TiredX2
Yeah, not allowing them to join a group that is supposedly about camping & scouting (not religion or sexuality) shows real tolerance
It's a boycott, just as people boycotted buses/ golf clubs for racial discrimination even though their purpose is to provide transportation/ golf courses. And in many people's experience, Boy Scouts are very much about religion.
post #103 of 161
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post #104 of 161
World Net Daily - great source of information :

No, my sons won't be joining an organization that preaches homophobia.
post #105 of 161
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post #106 of 161
If my son would like to join Boy Scouts I will gladly let him and I really hope he wants to. I remember how much fun my father and brother had in Scouts and how much they bonded during those years and I would really like my son and husband have that experience. It really does depend on the leaders whether or not it is a good pack. My daughter was in Brownie Scouts a few years ago and she had horrible leaders. There was no order whatsoever. She would have been going up to Girl Scouts the next year and she was really looking forward to it because the GS leaders were wonderful...but then we found out that her Brownie leader was moving up to GS and would once again be in charge of her group...she wanted nothing to do with it after that. So much depends on the capabilities of the leaders so I really hope my son has good leaders if he decides to join.
post #107 of 161
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Originally Posted by caloli
I hadn't heard anything about the Scouting anti-gay stance, so I'll have to look into that further before I can comment.
here's some info on that from CNN:

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The Scout oath requires members to be "morally straight." The organization "takes the position that homosexual conduct is inconsistent with the Scout oath ... and contrary to the Scout Law to be 'clean' in word and deed," according to Thomas E. Baker, a constitutional scholar at the Drake University Law School in Des Moines, Iowa, who wrote an impartial analysis of the case for the American Bar Association.
http://archives.cnn.com/2000/LAW/06/...gay.boyscouts/

I can't ignore this kind of stuff just for a camping trip.
post #108 of 161
thanks for sharing the resource. a good info.
post #109 of 161
No, because of the anti-gay stance and because they don't recognize Unitarian Universalism as a religion.

I liked Girl Scouts for the most part, except that we always made great plans at cookie time about what to do with the money, then never carried most of them out. There was another troop nearby that I could have joined, but I didn't.

Now, I have 2ds's, and we are involved withour local Waldorf School,so I'd like to find some scouting-type group that is "Waldorf-y".
post #110 of 161
I asked my oldest now 11 when he was in Kindergarten if he wanted to join and he said no. My then 6 now 7 yo joined last fall after asking to join. I told dh it was fine with me if he was involved. I didn't have the time to devote to it. Most of the boy scout beliefs (and how we interjprete them) are in line with ours. I've been absolutely amazed at the transformation of my husband. He has become much, much more involved with the kids. Our troop treats it more like a family activity than a dad and son one. We do alot of things where the whole family comes.
post #111 of 161
Absolutely not. For pretty much the reasons already stated, although mostly the anti-gay thing. It bothers the crap out of me that people automatically associate GS and BS, because we are completely separate organizations, and Girl Scouts don't discriminate against anyone (except boys under 18 ). I also don't like the paramilitary feel of it--in GS, you can wear a uniform if you like. In BS, 50 year old pack leaders (or what have you, as I don't know their exact terminology) wear the uniforms always, along with the boys.

I do hate to hear stories of girls who drop out of Girl Scouts after Brownies because all they ever do is crafts and cooking. Those are part of it, sure, but troops are supposed to be GIRL-led, with the leaders steering them instead of deciding for them. When I had a troop, among the things we did were camping, whitewater rafting, and horseback riding...and the older you are in Scouts, the better the stuff you can do! Encourage your daughters, find something more worthwhile for your sons, I say.
post #112 of 161
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Originally Posted by pjlioness
No, because of the anti-gay stance and because they don't recognize Unitarian Universalism as a religion.

I liked Girl Scouts for the most part, except that we always made great plans at cookie time about what to do with the money, then never carried most of them out. There was another troop nearby that I could have joined, but I didn't.

Now, I have 2ds's, and we are involved withour local Waldorf School,so I'd like to find some scouting-type group that is "Waldorf-y".

The new handbooks recognize UU. And they all have a blank design your own patch if your religion isn't represented.
post #113 of 161
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Originally Posted by srain

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Originally Posted by TiredX2
Yeah, not allowing them to join a group that is supposedly about camping & scouting (not religion or sexuality) shows real tolerance


It's a boycott, just as people boycotted buses/ golf clubs for racial discrimination even though their purpose is to provide transportation/ golf courses. And in many people's experience, Boy Scouts are very much about religion.
I think you misunderstood my original quote. The meaning was:

Yeah, not allowing them (openly homosexual individuals, non-Christians) to joing a group (boy scouts) that is supposedly about camping & scouting (not religion or sexuality) shows real tolerance.

I was NOT saying that boycotting the Boy Scouts was bad... in fact I have said multiple times in this thread that I don't support them, won't let DS join and even boycott companies that *do* support them.

If I am confused about the meaning of your comment (which is likely to say the least) please correct me.
post #114 of 161
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Originally Posted by TexasSuz
Yes, my son will be a Boy Scout as soon as he is old enough. Dh will also work with his troup. Interesting, one of my best friends was raised an atheist and he is an Eagle Scout. He said he never had an issue with the religious aspect of scouting. He says the Boy Scout experience was incredible for him!
I agree and am looking forward to my son being a scout, and to dh being a scout leader. Many men I know had wonderful experiences as scouts and sadly, in many cases it was their only opportunity for association with a male role model.

kurbis - proud to be Catholic, wife to H mom to little h : :2bfbabe:
post #115 of 161
My 16 year old son just became an Eagle Scout, my 14 year old is in boy scouts, and 10 year old is in cub scouts. One thing to remember about scouting is that the troop you belong to is run by a chartered organization (can be a church, school, community group or just a group of parents) and the parents and boys.

My son was asked at his Eagle Boards if he would have a problem with a gay scout master. He said no, and explained that throughout his life he would be living in communities and working with all kinds of people and that he learns from people that are different from him. He passed his board.

I have been involved with scouting since my 16 year old was in second grade and nursed his youngest brother well into toddlerhood at camp outs, etc. In fact, we just took our two boys scouts to summer camp and our 10 year old was running around with the older boys and one of the moms remarked that he had been camping with the scouts since he was nursing. Our family has never found an organization that we feel is 100% representative of our beliefs. However, as a cubmaster and leader, as well as a LLL leader many "mainstream" families have watched our attachment style parenting and found many of our practices valuable.

nzjmom
post #116 of 161
The scouts do recognize the Unitarian Universalist Church and even include it in their religious emblems program. In fact that program can start in first grade and has a program continuing through to an adult leader recognition.
post #117 of 161

Boy Scouts

I'm surprised at the high level of antagonism toward the Boy Scouts. They are what they say they are and that is one thing I like about them. They are a group set up to honor God and country. I have a 7 year old boy who just finished his first camp experience. It was a really fun week-- there were not enough men there though-- too many women made it more fussy I think. I'm a Christian and not a homosexual hater nor do I hate anyone-- I do not look to the Scouts for anything more than camping, skills and fun. I'm also an Army wife so I probably offend many with my support of the troops. I am also an Army veteran who served 6 years. God Bless~
post #118 of 161
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Originally Posted by moondiapers
The new handbooks recognize UU. And they all have a blank design your own patch if your religion isn't represented.
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Originally Posted by nzjmom
The scouts do recognize the Unitarian Universalist Church and even include it in their religious emblems program. In fact that program can start in first grade and has a program continuing through to an adult leader recognition.
Well, I searched the BSA web site. I found their religious emblems program. It linked to http://www.praypub.org/main_frameset.htm I searched that site, and found that the Girl Scouts have UU in their religious emblems program, but the BSA do not.

Even if they do recognize UU, I would not want anything to do with an anti-gay organization. If gay children have been thrown out of troops, then the BSA is not just about "camping, skills, and fun".
post #119 of 161

Yes I WILL

Yes I will allow my sons to become Boy Scouts, mainly because of the integrity they have to not change their views no matter what the "world" says they should. They hold to a higher authority and I am all for that. Does that make ME intolerant? No.. I have my beliefs and my right to exercise those beliefs as does anyone else. I am sure I will be flamed, if so, so be it. Just remember, just as your views may not match mine and I am not putting you down for it, I would expect the same courtesy from you.

:bf
post #120 of 161
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Originally Posted by Nayrn98
Yes I will allow my sons to become Boy Scouts, mainly because of the integrity they have to not change their views no matter what the "world" says they should. They hold to a higher authority and I am all for that. Does that make ME intolerant? No.. I have my beliefs and my right to exercise those beliefs as does anyone else. I am sure I will be flamed, if so, so be it. Just remember, just as your views may not match mine and I am not putting you down for it, I would expect the same courtesy from you.

:bf

But they have changed their views. It happened about 15 years ago when a certain conservative religious organization became heavily involved in Boy Scouts and said our way or we leave and form our own group, taking all of our Scouts with us. My father has been a leader for over 25 years and he talks about when it changed. Before that, he said that Boy Scouts didn't really care about whether or not someone was an atheist or gay as long as they were a good leader. It never really came up. Local groups were allowed to reflect their communities. Perhaps some day it will change again and become more like Girl Scouts which IMO is the better organization.

Also, it is interesting that Scouts started in Great Britain and were brought here and now the orginal scouts are co-ed and very accepting of everyone. It is only the Americans (land of the free ) that are so discriminatory.
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