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[shantivibes]

Originally Posted by gilamama

Hi Berit! I sell tinokis, i'dlove to hear more abt "teaching babywearing" welcome to MDc!


Shantivibes, so sorry you guys and your dd had to endure that, hope everyone is all better adn you have a great baby and a great birth! btw which "hills" are you in?

thx mamas!!! were all good here now! we are in the jerusalem hills, bar giyyora to be exact.

our new little man has arrived and we are babymooning BIG time. we had an amazing HB with the best midwife in israel and it was a total "tikun" on the last birth with dd. five hours total and 45mins of painful pushing cntx and we were done! he was born two weeks ago on shabbat and he is amazing!dd is doing well, she is in love and it seems that fours years differance helps allot.she's my little helper!

we are going to the states to meet my side of the family begining of july and we will be there for the summer, so wish us luck and easy travels!

take care everyone.....

[jul511riv]

i cant WAIT till its my turn to spend a summer in the USA!!! I'm homesick...

Mazel tov! DS's (home)birth was a total tikkun on dd's (hospital) birth, so I totally feel you. Who was your midwife?

[sarah&dina]

Shavua Tov!

I just wanted to introduce myself, a new Israeli mom who has found Mothering (thanks to a subscription from my own mother). My name is Sarah and my 7 mos. daughter is Dina. I'm studying and teaching a few times a week, DH is working on his PhD and smicha. We live in Ramat Gan and are in serious need of a chevra I look forward to finding some other like-minded homebirth (with Ilana Shemesh), cloth diapering moms here! Anyone in the TA area? Do you ever plan "get togethers?" I look forward to getting to know all of you!

Best,
Sarah

P.S. Mazel tov Shantivibes!

[merpk]

Originally Posted by shantivibes

thx mamas!!! were all good here now! we are in the jerusalem hills, bar giyyora to be exact.

our new little man has arrived and we are babymooning BIG time. we had an amazing HB with the best midwife in israel and it was a total "tikun" on the last birth with dd. five hours total and 45mins of painful pushing cntx and we were done! he was born two weeks ago on shabbat and he is amazing!dd is doing well, she is in love and it seems that fours years differance helps allot.she's my little helper!

we are going to the states to meet my side of the family begining of july and we will be there for the summer, so wish us luck and easy travels!

take care everyone.....

Mazal tov!!!! Welcome to the world, little guy ...

[elmo&zoe]

Mazal tov Shantivibes!! Welcome to the world baby!

Sarah&Dina, Welcome!

[ema-adama]

Mazal Tov Shantivibes... sounds like it really was fantastic!

Sarah&Dina, I am also (relatively) new to MDC and also hoping to find chevra who do things a bit differently from the norm...
I didn't birth with Ilana Shemesh, but did have a home birth and also cloth diaper.... for now a SAHM with Occupational Therapy not being lucrative enough to get me back to work - and unable to give up on DS just yet

Welcome to the wonderful world of MDC

[Kmelion]

Just a quick hello from the newbie...

I'm Devo, I currently live near Ariel and will most likely be moving to Petach Tikvah after the summer (anyone have a lead on a 4 bedroom apartment). Moved here 11 years ago from NY.

I have almost 17 and 16 year old girls from a previous marriage and a 13 month old son from my current marriage.

I'm still BFing although I hope to wean him after the summer so I can start fertility treatments again. I'm a casual baby wearer (made my own wrap and Mei Tai) and mostly delayed vaxer.

[Kmelion]

P.S. I noticed there's an anti-circ forum here. Is there a pro-circ one as well here?

[shantivibes]

Originally Posted by jul511riv

i cant WAIT till its my turn to spend a summer in the USA!!! I'm homesick...

Mazel tov! DS's (home)birth was a total tikkun on dd's (hospital) birth, so I totally feel you. Who was your midwife?

thx everyone!!!!

sara'le sheps from the north was our midwife!!! and i would HIGHLY recommend her, i went through many many interviews and had even decided on Ilana Shemesh, but in the end i went for the gold and wow am i happy i did! personal thing really, i am sure Ilana is great for some people, but for me i need more which i found in sarale! if your interested you can read the birth story and see the pictures here:

http://www.mothering.com/discussions...d.php?t=915070

welcome devo and sarah!!! s

[mamatowill]

Hi Ladies! I know I haven't posted here much but I am hoping to get some insight. I am seeing an OB here due to the fact that my DH does not believe in midwives (didn't while in Canada either). He is fine and relatively pleasant but I forsee problems ahead with my care and I am wondering how to handle it. I am thinking that it is a difference between how things happen here and back in Canada. I did not go and get my bloodwork done that he ordered at 6 weeks due to issues with the lab. He was very angry over this with us. He just tells me that I have to have certain tests but does not provide a reason for it. It is just because he feels it is right. Now I suspect that these tests are standard here but they are not necessarily in Canada so I research them. He wants my records from Canada now and is upset that I am not getting them yet. I get the feeling that he is going to insist on a c-section and he is focussing on other "symptoms" that don't have to do with pregnancy but can be affected by it and which have never been a concern in Canada. Someone told me that I have to go and do the tests just because the dr ordered them and that he is a man and I should essentially obey him since that is how it works here. Now DH doesn't care about the bloodwork but how am I to get through this? He is not bad but I think that we are going to butt heads alot. Do patients not question drs here? Will he get upset if I ask for explanations? How would you handle this? Thanks.

[ema-adama]

Oy va'avoy... I had similar experiences with OB's here - in total I saw 5 during my pregnancy... and a 6th after.... only the one that I saw privately (after the birth) who is a fantastic woman won my appreciation, although she does advocate many ultrasounds... in my experience the MW's here are much more approachable and open to questions

Someone told me that I have to go and do the tests just because the dr ordered them and that he is a man and I should essentially obey him since that is how it works here

I think this is unfortunately true for many Israelis... I remember at my 24 week scan I was shouted down for not having done any previous diagnostic ultrasounds and I said that my friends in South Africa have far fewer U/S... the doctor said that he has more experience and I should trust him... didn't go back to him.. also didn't go back to another one who replied to my questions with:
"I see you are not going to follow the guidelines set down by the Ministry of Health"

Sorry you are going through this

[merpk]

Originally Posted by Kmelion

P.S. I noticed there's an anti-circ forum here. Is there a pro-circ one as well here?

Hi, Kmelion.

No, there isn't. Mothering Magazine and MDC are, as a matter of policy, opposed to all forms of circumcision. And they do not host any "pro" discussion of it.




There isn't supposed to be any discussion of religious circumcision on the Case Against Circumcision forum, however. The site administrators do work at not allowing anti-religious bigotry. As such, the moderators are pretty responsive to the Jewish mamas' (and Muslima mamas') concerns on that score.




There is occasional discussion of brit mila in the Spirituality/ReligiousStudies forum. It's a fine line, though.









Welcome to MDC, BTW. & Sarah&Dina, too.








mama'will so sorry to hear this ... but from what I've heard, that's standard operating procedure here with most doctors altogether. The G!d-complex thing is really out of control.

[sarah&dina]

That's been my experience with the doctors here as well. We went through a few OBs during the course of our pre-pregnancy/pregnancy as we needed IF treatments to conceive. We were not to thrilled with any of them. Whenever we'd ask them for more info or to better explain a procedure they became very rude. Fortunatey the rabbis at Machon Puah were incredibly knowledgabe, helpful, caring and patient. (I can't say enough good things about them!)

The OB we got pregnant with was the worst. We stayed with him through the course of the pregnancy because a) we were too emotionally exhuasted to go doctor hopping yet again and b) Macabi would have given us problems for switching. At one point I asked him (as my MIL's request) what his "professional opinion" on homebirth was. He didnt even look at me (though he never really looked at me) and said "if you don't want your child to become a talmid chocham and if you want him living in an institution for the rest of his life moving chairs back and forth from one wall to the next, then go ahead with a homebirth." I was so shocked at what he said and how unprofessional he was that I burst out laughing right in his face. I asked, "And that's your PROFESSIONAL opinion?" He said "Yes." Thank Gd I gave birth a week early (at a perfect, beautiful HB) and I never had to see him again.

On a related note, I'm not at all happy with Dina's pediatrician. Anyone have recommendations for a Macabi doc in the TA area who will be more open, (even supportive!), of our parenting philosophy?

[ZZsMama]

Just wanted to say hi. I'm a rabbinical student mama to an almost 12 mo. I'll be studying in Jerusalem for 8 wks starting Monday and dh will be spending lots of time taking care of ds. If anyone has any great advice on what's fun to do and see for an ap family with a 1 yo, we'd be happy to hear it. We've been to Israel before and have family and friends around the country, but this will be our first time as a family of 3.

[ZZsMama]

Oh, yeah. I also was looking for gift ideas for my 15 year old cousin. It'll be her birthday a few days after we arrive, and the day after ds turns 1 so we're hoping to see them for some birthday stuff. I haven't seen this cousin in 2 yrs and have no idea what's cool for israeli 15 year olds.

[merpk]

Originally Posted by ZZsMama

have no idea what's cool for israeli 15 year olds.

Unfortunately, the same thing that's cool for American 15 year olds.



Sigh.

[gilamama]

in y-lem an american woman obgyn named dr diane or diana flesher, i wonderful. she sees patients from her home office and in the wolfson buildings. at least she did 4 years ago. i remember that she might not do births anymore, but i think she has a colleage who does who she can recommend.

out of curiosity how did you chose the dr you are not satisfied with? was it by recomendation?

are you planning to have a private dr at the birth? if not i think dr flesher would see you.

crying kid.

[mamatowill]

I didn't choose. My DH spoke to his coworkers and asked for their recommendations. I am somewhat limited since we are not on Israeli healthcare and are thus doing private insurance. We had to find a dr that takes private insurance. My DH insists on having a hospital birth- and he won't back down on this. He also does not trust any suggestions from MDC but doesn't really get that I don't like the dr. We are at a standstill.

[Kmelion]

Are you high risk with your pregnancy?

I would tell my husband that next time around, he can get pregnant and then he can decide to see a doctor vs a midwife.

Your mental health is just as important as your physical health and the stress you're going through with the doctor (and your husband's issues) is NOT good for you OR the baby.

Ask around your neighborhood, ask some of the doulas, ask on Janglo to recommend an OB/GYN and a midwife who will go privately.

My OB worked really well with me. I told him I'd do the Level II ultrasound and the fetal echo, but no other genetic testing. And he accepted my choice.

[jul511riv]

I'm sorry, but just who's body is this, anyway? Of course, I wanted dh to be comfortable with all my decisions, but ultimately, this was my body and my decision. There is NO WAY that dh would want me to micromanage the medical care of a major life altering condition for HIM.

I would not tell my husband who his doctor should be or where he can or can not get recommendations. I would not push my husband into doing something that he is uncomfortable with medically, whether I believed in it or not. I could tell him with full force and all my druthers that I believe he SHOULD do something, but I would not force him and I would hope that I would try to remember that this was HIS medical situation and not mine and try to make him feel loved and supported during this time regardless of my feelings that he was doing something wrong.

That's not hippy mumbo jumbo, that's just basic curtosy and the question is whether or not you feel that you are owed such curtosy. And if not, you may need to search way down deep to figure out why not.

I am sorry that your husband is not being more supportive of you during this very special and life altering time in your life. But this is also YOUR life and the only person you can lay blame on for not having the experience that you want is you at the end of the day. He may be your husband and PARTNER but only YOU have to answer to YOU. The damage that may be done to your body in a hospital birth (epistotomy, test results with false or contraversial positives that lead to intervention, induction, "emergency" c-section, etc...) will last for the rest of your life. You will have to live with the outcome every day. The psychological weight of all of this will be carried around by YOU alone. And clearly you must weigh all of this out against your own shalom bayit...which involves NOT just your husband but YOU, EQUALLY.

I'm sorry if this is coming across strong, I don't mean to strike an already raw chord. My support and sympathies go out to you.