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[gilamama]

CNMs are not allowed to do VBACs at home I persnally know one who did but she got in trouble with the board that regulates her. But I am sure she is not the only one. What you could do is have an HBAc with an american lay MW who lives here, then go to the hospital and say "oops the baby popped out! my friend who we were visiting helped me." or something along thse lines and then get a birth certificate without issue. other wise i dont know how it could happen. that doesnt sound too relaxing to me. there is one hospital here with a birth center anyone remember the name or the city? i dont right now. you could hire a doula who you feel comfortable with and birth with her in a hospital without telling them abt the C-section? i dont know how safe that is. good luck.

[LookMommy!]

Well, let us know if if works out, and we'll all visit you after the birth and bring treats. Lisa in Jerusalem

[mamatowill]

I returned to Canada to have my DS2 in January. I was hoping to have a VBAC in Israel but I was told that I would not be eligible due to the size of the baby. My OB told me that they would allow me to VBAC as long as the baby was going to be 4 kilos or less and my babies are way more than that. There was some talk of 4.5 kilos but I know I was put under the 4 kilos or less rule.

[Sprout77]

Just my two cents...

Hi,

I did a "home"-birth with Ilana Shemesh nearly a year ago (WONDERFUL experience). I am American and non-Jewish (so wasn't able to make aliyah and am not an Israeli citizen yet) and my husband is a native-born Jewish Israeli. Following my son's birth with Ilana, who is a registered midwife, we took all the required paperwork to the Misrad Hap'nim to get his birth certificate (this included documentation from the doctors who had done check-ups and scans during the pregnancy) and got told that we wouldn't receive it right away because I wasn't a citizen and had done a homebirth. We're not sure if it was complicated by the fact that my son would be an Israeli citizen because his father is? Anyway, it took 1.5 months to get the birth certificate, and even then we only got it because we put a lot of pressure on the Misrad Hap'nim. In the meantime, my son basically was an undocumented person which meant that we couldn't get any passports for him and didn't get the health insurance he was entitled to as an Israeli citizen. We nearly had to postpone a planned trip to the States since I couldn't get him his U.S. passport until I had the birth certificate. I know that this would have not happened if I had either birthed in a hospital or been an Israeli citizen. Hopefully none of this will be a problem for you, but I just wanted to share my story so you can do a bit of research about getting your child his/her birth certificate if you choose to birth outside of a hospital. I am almost positive that your child will not get Israeli citizenship (unless you are Jewish and want him/her to get it - not sure), but that may also make the whole process easier for you?

[gilamama]

okay i have to admit...i am so curious who everyone voted for.:

[LookMommy!]

Meimad Yarok (Melchior).

[gilamama]

Originally Posted by LookMommy!

Meimad Yarok (Melchior).

oh cool! : can i admit now that i am not surprised.

i voted for ichud ha-leumi. could you guys have guessed?

[sunshinestarr]

Ichud ha'leumi here too!

[gilamama]

i thought you might sss.

bb do you vote?

[3daughters]

I think that those are going to be the favourite two parties on these boards .

After 7 months in the country my kids are speaking Hebrew....











to EACH OTHER!

I'm having a hard time enforcing an English only policy. Will they go back to English when the novelty of the Hebrew wears off????/

[jul511riv]

probably, 3 dau

bibi.

[paula.telaviv]

About VBACs in Israel:
There are two natural birthing centers in Israel that are part of hospitals- Laniado in Netanya, and Sheba-Tel-HaShomer outside of Tel-Aviv. Those are good places to do VBACs because they have more patience in the natural centers than in the regular hospital rooms. They both cost extra, Laniado about $300, and Tel-HaShomer about $1000.+. You need permission from the Doctor who is doing your prenatals, in order to birth in the natural centers. The permission is basically to let them know that you are low risk.
So, you also preregister for the natural birth centers.
Almost all Israeli hospitals have natural rooms, but not all have centers.
Israeli homebirth midwives cannot legally do VBACS. There is a doctor who does homebirth VBACs, his name is Dr Barda, and his number is 972-50-5745794.Or from Isreal 050-5745794. It might be possible to do a homebirth at Ilana Shemesh's cabins
www.birthathome.com
and have both Ilana and Dr. Barda attending. Or even do a hotel homebirth and he could come. He has a lovely presence at births.
There is also a waterbirth center run by a doctor and his wife who is a doula, near Netanya. They might be able to do VBACs. It is expensive, but probably worth every cent around $3000. If you check out my website www.pauladoula.co.il I have a links page and you can follow the link to Jaharadula. If you have anymore VBAC questions, feel free to call or email me directly. 972-52-8034490.
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[Yuki]

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[3daughters]

Did anyone else see the article on homebirth in Yediot this Shabbat?

[paula.telaviv]

what I meant by saying Most hospitals have natural rooms, but not all have centers is.....

In Israel almost every hospital has one or two birthing rooms that they call the "natural room". Women who choose to birth without an epidural can request these rooms. They usually feel a little less medical, sometimes have bathtubs (for laboring in, not birthing), have birthing stools, physio balls...etc. The advantage of these rooms is that usually midwives who like to support natural birth will work in these rooms; and the clock that is counting how much time you labor, is sometimes overlooked. Also the concept of freedom of movement in birth is acceptable.
There is no charge for these rooms, but they are not always available, since there is usually only one room like it per hospital.

Hospitals with natural birthing centers like Laniado in Netanya, and Tel-HaShomer in Givataim are more serious about the experience being natural. They have a staff very dedicated to supporting women in birthing without interventions, if possible. Also the rooms look more like hotel rooms than hospital rooms. You get all of the above, plus more. And it costs money. You must pre-register, with a doctor's ok that you are low-risk.

The drawback to any hospital birth, even in the centers, is that they consistently separate mother and child after the birth. On average 4 hours, but often more. This is very frustrating for those experienced in homebirth. Perhaps a very good birthplan, and a couple who don't mind putting up a fight can work through this. But it is not easy, and I have known couples to express their whole birth experience as being clouded by the struggle with the nursery staff.

I am thrilled that there was a homebirth article this weekend. I still have not read it, but the picture and headlines were great. Many will only look that far, and that is already good advertising.

[gilamama]

Originally Posted by 3daughters

Did anyone else see the article on homebirth in Yediot this Shabbat?

yay!!! iam am no longer the only one readeing the hebrew news on this board!!!!

we actually didnt get the paper this shabbos b/c we were away but htere was one theshabbos b4 i gave birth that dh cut out and i refused to read. how was it covered?

[3daughters]

Dh reads Yediot and while I would prefer to read the Post, I can't fathom spending 25 shekels on newspapers every week. I read very slowly and sometimes give up mid-article unless I'm really determined.

The article was titled Totzeret Bayit (Home Made) which is really beautiful. It had a big, beautiful water birth photo of one of the women that was interviewed. It was written from the perspective of why women chose home birth over hospital birth. The women were not portrayed as crazy hippies, rather as women who had bad hospital experiences and wanted a better birth experience or as women that had decent hospital experiences and still wanted something better. It quoted a few doctors that were anti-homebirth and stated that home birth is dangerous but also quoted an OB (Dr. Shiftan) who attends home births. Everyone was in agreement that the hospital is not necessary for most births and that the system doesn't always work. They quoted the statistics that show that home birth is as safe as hospital birth for low risk women and that home birth results in far fewer interventions. It talked about the fact that home birth is paid for out of pocket and that the families don't get the maanak leida even though they are entitled to it and how unfair that is.

I'm sure there is more but that is all I can think of and I can't reread it cuz of the Hebrew .

[sunshinestarr]

Anyone know where to get wool covers here (so I don't have to get them from Etsy? : )

[3daughters]

Found these but they are out of stock.

Also found these and they seem to be in stock!

I bookmarked a bunch of websites that sell cloth diapers, carriers and other natural products. Let me know if you need help with the Hebrew .

[sunshinestarr]

Thanks much!