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[CarmenD]

Misgav Ladach - hospital records

Hi,
Wanted to know if anyone had some advice where to turn:
I gave birth 6 years ago at Misgav Ladach, and had an emergency ceasarian (wasn't such a bad experience - they even let my husband in, unheard of in other hospitals). I am pregnant again, and need copies of my medical records from the hospital (lost mine).
Anyone know where I can request this, now that the hospital is closed?
You can email me at [e-mail]
Many thanks, Carmen

[sunshinestarr]

hey, i'm here too

Hi! I don't know if this thread is still active, but I'm in Israel! I'm up north.
I'm interested, if anyone knows, about homebirth midwives here?
Thanks!

[LookMommy!]

where do you live?

I was very happy with Ilana Shemesh who lives about an hour away from Jerusalem (this was crucial, as I went into labor at 2 a.m., she arrived at 3, and I gave birth at 4!) She also has a clinic at her house. She gave excellent prenatal care as well, but we used to meet at M.L. I was planning to give birth there, but it closed 1 week before my dd5 was born!

I'm sure the homeschool/la leche moms would have more names.

I don't know what the law is now, but at the time, I had to go to the hospital within 24 hours to get my maanak layda (maternity grant, which used to be significant) and it was a hard thing to do immediately post-birth. I gave birth at 4 a.m. and at noon had to shower and go to the hospital since it was Friday! I was out of there by 4 p.m., but it was a major stress and my baby got chilled and had to be in an incubator by my bed for those 4 hours (which obviously wouldn't have happened if we had stayed at home where we belonged, but my dh was nervous to have us both checked, and the money helped pay the $700 for the midwife).

Good luck! Lisa

[sunshinestarr]

I thought Ilana Shemesh lived in Haifa!!! I'm up north. Oh well, I'll call some people and find out the deal with midwives in the north. What a crazy story! Israeli beurocracy (I can never spell that word).. I'll never get used to it.. That price, $700.. What does that include?
Thanks!

[LookMommy!]

my homebirth was 5 years ago

minus one month, so I am not the most-up-to-date source of info. At the time, this price included the birth, however long it was (she totally got lucky on my one hour birth!) plus two hours afterwards for cleanup, checkup, breastfeeding support, etc. I suppose I would have offered a snack, if it weren't the middle of the night (she left at 6 a.m.). Supply your own pads and such. Prenatals were 100 NIS per time. Is it normal to include/not include other stuff? This was my third birth, so I knew more or less what I wanted, plus my pregnancy was normal. I had a friend over just in case I or my 2 older dcs needed something, but she basically slept on the couch. My dh did massage and stuff. It's all kind of a blur.

[BelovedBird]

Carmen, I also gave birth 6 years ago in misgav. Did you try Shoshana Goldbaum (Is that her name?) who used to run the birth education out of the hospital?
If you need my help getting ahold of anyone just say the word.


Sunshine, there are lots of homebirthers here, in our town. Just give me a call I'll introduce you.

[merpk]

Is prenatal care usually given with midwives or with OBs? Not talking necessarily homebirthers (color me chicken) but just your standard regular birthing person.

We'll be getting there iy"H this summer. Am wondering if I should contact someone before we get there instead of panicking and looking then ...

[LookMommy!]

Amy

Don't bother doing anything ahead of time. Nobody will take you seriously anyway. When you get here (after you call BB, me, and the rest), sign up with a kupah. You are entitled to free healthcare for a certain number of months. Ask around among your friends and neighbors who to use (we use Maccabi, also hearn Meuchedet is good). Then, check out the list of OB/Gyns. These will be free (maybe 5 NIS copay every 3 months). If you are not happy, ask around for a good midwife. This will be about 100 NIS per appointment. Or, a private MD. This will be maybe 250 NIS per appointment. Try to get back whatever you can from the kupah (this is complicated, but possible). Going privately means longer appointments, more conveniently scheduled, more attention. A midwife often means lower tech, fewer tests. Often, the same doctors work privately and for the kupah, so it is not necc a difference in quality. Lab work is done at the lab for the most part, and not at the doctor's office, so expect to run around a whole lot. Now, you can check results on the computer, so that streamlines things. Bring all documentation!!!!!!!

[BelovedBird]

Well LM said pretty much all of it.

(We're also on maccabi)

[jul511riv]

hideho!

Shalom and Hello ladies!

Aleph: we need to increase our numbers! There aren't enough of us!

Bet: I NEEEEEEED help! I am looking for resources in the greater Tel Aviv area...the closer to Rechovot the better...I need a REMARKABLE midwife and/or doula or even an OBGYN and a Peditrician.

But here's the catch...

They must be PRO breastfeeding (ie, NO feeding on schedules, NO taking away baby from you at hospital/birthing place, KNOWLEDGABLE and SUPPORTIVE about tandem nursing, etc...)

ANTI vaccination (oh man, did I open up a whole can of worms here or what?!)...I'd even be open to someone who is not WHOLELY anti vac, but someone who is open minded to picking and choosing vaccinations and giving them one at a time over the age of two.

KNOWLEDGABLE (or at least supportive) about holistic/homeopathic medicine.

Vegetarian friendly.

I understand that this is a TALL order for Israel, but I am threatening to go back to the states to give birth if I can't find someone to foot the bill. LOL! No, seriously, I'm getting very very nervous about what I'm reading and hearing about hospital births here in Israel.

After having one B"H beautiful and healthy baby, I pretty much know what I want and what I'm looking for.

Also, any waterbirth/hypnobirthing ladies present? That is something I'm very interested in doing.

And what do you think the interest would be for a CD distributer (in English) here in Israel (on the internet)? What about employing some SAHM's to sew cloth diapers and pads and wipes and maybe even baby carriers? Pay would be on comission at first (per item sold) but hopefully this could turn into something really great. Ideally it would be a multi language website so EVERYONE could get in on it. Just kicking it around. What do you ladies think?

Feel free to send me a private message here online....

Chag Sameach ladies!: : :

[Dahlia]

jul511riv,
I sell cd's here and there a few other cd retailers here. You can find a list of them on th beofentv site. Look under reusable diapers (chitulim rav paamim). I can help you out with the midwife info as well if you'd like. You can e-mail me at [e-mail] and I can give you more info. There are quiet a few good midwives out there. If you want one that meets all your criteria she would most probably be a homebirth mw, thoug there are a few that still work in hospitals. Anyhow I can out you in touch with someone that can give you some more info.

HTH
Dahlia

[LookMommy!]

We were happy with Ilana Shemesh

PM me if you want my phone number and I can tell you about my experiences (5 years ago). Plus, most of my fellow homeschoolers have homebirthed, and I'm sure we can help you out. B'hatzlacha! Lisa

[jul511riv]

THanks ladies!

Well, as I write this, I have a SCREAAAAAAMING 1 year and two month old who is refusing to nap.

Now, I'm not an Ema who sets nap scheudles. Naps are 100% child led. This is the time she consistantly chooses nearly every day. Today was no problem. So what happened, you may ask...?

Well, DD started BITING. HARD and DEFINATELY, everytime we start to nurse. It started fairly recently. But back then she would nurse for a few minutes and then bite. I would end the nursing session calmly saying "no biting". A few minutes later I would try again and all would be well. She would cry like bloody murder when I would take her off the breast, but I would always set her on the floor at first and then pick her up after a few seconds and hug her and tell her I love her and that we can nurse again right after she is ready to not bite. She doesn't really talk (at least not about this...though she seems to have plenty to say about what she sees on the street...albeit one word here and there) so our communication is limited in this regard. At any rate, we used to nurse again and all would be well. Well, over the course of a couple of weeks she would become more insistant in her biting and would persist in it even after our "break". So much so that I could either just sit there and let her take my nipple off or refuse nursing.

Now, I was most often able to halt the meltdown by distracting her attention with various things around the house...which I continue to do...so much so that we have had almost an "overnight weaning" which is both shocking and heartbreaking to me, espically since I planned to nurse her for years and years...and espically since she has only really started to turn to other foods besides my breastmilk fairly recently. I'm dealing with that. But now the issue is naptime and bedtime.

DD is pretty much used to laying with me in bed and having a long, luxurious nurse. We both love it. I play with her hair, she puts her arm around my waist. It's a very loving wonderful time before she drifts off to sleep, which is why I am so angry that she is blowing it!!!! (okay, that was a bit of venting!) I've never tried for her to sleep any other way, cause I never thought we'd need it. Sure, she falls asleep in the car, and she fell asleep on my husband's shoulder one night after our shower, but that was only because she was so tired...she just hugged him and laid down her head and that was it. I was shocked then and a bit hurt and upset, but I figured it was a fluke, and it's good that she has another way to sleep, if she needs it...little did I know that we'd be dealing with this way exclusively.

Poor DD is now in the bedroom with DH. She keeps drifting off (he is singing to her and I suppose also holding her...though I don't dare let her see me or else I will spoil it all) but then waking up crying. I feel just horrible. I want to much to just nurse her and for her to sleep comfortably without tears. But when I tried (and I knew she would and even talked with her about it before hand) she bit.

Yes, she has molars coming in and yes, she has 6 teeth that all came in at once, but I don't think it's bothering her SOOOO much that she is in any real pain. I have seen her in pain from the teeth before and it's not like this. I found a homeopathic remedy here (galil baby, I think it's called) that works like a charm, and I've only had to use it about 4 times in her life...so I'm not anxious to overuse if she doesn't need it. And I truly don't believe that she does. She knows better. She looks at me and gives me the eye when she is getting ready to bite. I just wish she would stop. I thought me telling her or taking her off...being calm...or yelping "ow"...or whatever else I tried would solve the situation...but it's just not working.

And, DH is beginning his new job in just a week, so pretty soon it will be just me and her...and my boobs!!! I really don't know what to do. I tried rubbing her back and singing to her softly and laying down with her and rubbing her belly and her hair and holding her close...EVERYTHING! But she ONLY wants to nurse (read:BITE) and screams and flops around like crazy when I don't give in. B"H now my husband can take over and I can get lost (and vent...er...type on the Mothering Boards!) but what happens in a week? OY! Why did she have to start this now. DH has been home with us since we made aliyah 3.5 months ago...we could have had ALL THAT TIME to work this out. B"H. Oh well.

Sorry to vent. Maybe some of you have some sort of suggestion or idea. I talked with a friend of mine from Paris and she said "stop nursing her. Wean her". I would have scoffed...but this woman is SUPER pro breastfeeding and nursed her own daughter until she was 4 (as per the shulcan aruch). I couldn't believe my ears. "every child is different" she said. "if she is biting and she knows that you won't nurse her when she does that then she must not want to nurse anymore." What do you ladies think? Maybe this is HaShem's plan for me... I just feel like a failure. I wanted to nurse her for so much longer.

I know she can do it...last night she woke up twice to nurse (in her sleep) and she nursed just fine. She nursed for a long time and actually drank a lot of milk (when we were nursing all day and regularly before sleeping, she ususally didn't drink in the middle of the night, just sucked a little to drift back off...but she would do it upwards of 6 times in a night) and didn't wake up outside of those two times...but sure enough, when she fully woke up in the morning...again she was TOTALLY awake...and she bit straight away. SO I stopped and she cried, but my husband just took her out of the bed and showed her some toys and I followed and she had totally forgotten about nursing.

*sigh*

Oh, how do you do the techel smiley face?

Be well ladies.

Rivkah:

[merpk]

So Rivka, if you want to start a CD-making group and you've got the patience to wait till I show up (officially mid-August ) and then to wait till I learn how to sew 'em, you've got a partner.

How about baby carriers? Once I learn to sew, shouldn't be too hard to go the baby carrier route. Wraps are already happening in Israel, right? Tinokis has the market, it's a stretchy. How about a woven, like a gauze? And mei-tais, should be able to work those out. And ring slings.

Look at me, not even there yet and already hustlin'. Learning the language will help, too, right?

[jul511riv]

your game, I'll wait. I use a ring sling. Had a shop owner in Tzfat offer to buy 60 from me on the spot. As for diapers...oh yeah. There's a market. But for some reason, Israelis are REALLY turned off by cloth pads and the like. I have no idea why poop is less discusting to them than menstrual blood...go figure.

Anyways, I'll wait for you!

Rivkah

[Dahlia]

There is a woman in the south who sews diapers her company's name is Mamooshka. There is also someone who sells motherease , someone who sells Kushies, and me - who sells Happy Heinys, Stacinator and Bummis. In terms of slings there are a ton of slings that are made and sewn here. The one sling that i feel is missing is the pouch. I have yet to see them here. You can check out slngs at b-shvilenu.co.il There is also the LOOPI which is the sme idea as the tinokis but instead of one long piece of fabric it is 2 tubes and a third piece of fabric to tie around the bottom. Anyhow baby carrying is pretty popular (at least in the Tel-Aviv area). There is a nice community here of Beofen TV that is very down to earth, granola, ecologically aware, natural and attachment parenting etc.... Very similar to the Mothering community. Their site is in hebrew, but once you start getting the language down it shouldn't be a problem. They have annual meetings in the Park in Ramat Gan as well. Worth checking out. Their meeting this year is Thursday May 18th.

Dahlia

[jul511riv]

oooooh! I wanna go to this thingy. Can you pm me and give me the details or a link with the details (my hubby can read it!)

Can you explain this tv thing...what is it...what's going on? I'm CLUELESS!!!

Rivkah

[merpk]

So a silly question probably. When you buy things off the Internet, is the shipping like enormous? I saw BB on a Religious Studies thread you posted that you bought a book and linked to it on Amazon.com, so am wondering, do you order from American clothes or whatever retailers?

I had found like two years ago some link to some Israeli thing (yes, in English) that was a business that gave you an American address to ship to, it was like in Arkansas or Alabama or somesuch, and they would ship your purchases to Israel for a very reduced rate. But do you just not deal with it? Or how would someone sell stacinators & Happy Heiny diapers without it?

Or slings?




FWIW, last summer I saw a lot of wraps, usually the tinokis style ones, and always always always wrapped in front, I didn't see *anybody* with a baby on their back ... except me. But anyway, how about mei-tai type carriers? Any of those? Those are easy-to-make looking (spoken like a sewing newbie). DH is all excited about my new obsession with knitting, he wants me to sell yarmulkes. Am actually more excited about this pattern I found for tams, am going to make a cotton knit rainbow tam with ribbing and elastic to hold it on (they usually don't stay on too well, need a scarf to hold 'em on) and see if it's something worth making a bunch of.

Anything for a buck.




Oh, and DH just got an official for-real job offer at Makhon Weizmann. b'H. Bli ayin ha'rah. It's the crappiest pay imaginable, way below the poverty line in America, to be honest, but a job is a job, and we're hoping our sal klita will pay the rent for the first year and this will at least get his foot in the door and give him somewhere to start. The person who called him with the news told him that the worst-off professions as far as low pay despite high qualifications in Israel are teachers, nurses and scientists. And since he's a teacher and a scientist ... maybe I'll just learn to knit faster.

But seriously, we are so excited about this job offer, though. We were stressed because two separate mekubalim told DH to get a job before we go, and we were going to go without one, despite that ... but this is just clearing up that cloud entirely. Gone. Whoosh.

[sunshinestarr]

Congrats on your DH's job offer!!!! That is amazing!!!! Woo hoo!!

[jul511riv]

cool. So you'll be in my neck of the woods. Okay, is this the Amy who's been booted off of here and who I am emailing or another Amy?

Not sure who you were addressing the questions to, but yeah, it costs a heck of a lot of money to ship stuff over. I had some mama cloth shipped over from a Muslim women in the states, oddly enough, and they were WAY expensive. And of course, that was the cycle I concieved, so I haven't gotten to use them yet. Hehehe. You know what they say, a sure fire way to get pregnant is to order mama cloth.

Mazel tov on the job offer! That's wonderful. Oh, and EVERYTHING here is below the poverty line in the states. Best to get that out of your head now. The question is, is it BELOW the poverty line in Israel (which I think is like 3000shecks a month or something like that, maybe 2500?) If not, then hang in there. Sal Klitah will NOT pay your rent and utilities and bills in Rechovot. Sorry. Unless you use your kids money too. And if you have a substancial amount of kids, maybe it will. You'll definately need hubby's money to cover all that stuff though.

I'm just learning about charity organizations that deliver food and so on and so forth for those new immigrants who need it. I can get you more info on that if you are interested as it becomes available to me.

*sigh*

Be Well.