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post #861 of 1773
1/23/08 at 5:38am
i thought that homebirth midwives couldn't get malpractice insurance. are they going to change that? or just require them to get insurance but offer no real way for them to get it (that would be typical!). my midwife had us sign a waiver that said we understood that homebirth midwives in israel couldn't get malpractice insurance and therefore we promised not to sue in the case of a bad outcome.

besides the 4 kg thing, what else did the article mention? (for the hebrew impaired)


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Originally Posted by gilamama View Post
http://www.ynet.co.il/articles/0,7340,L-3497128,00.html

article abt new homebirth "regulations" to make it "safer"

myaldot need insurance

julriv what does your miyaledet neighbor think?

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post #862 of 1773
1/23/08 at 7:33am
mazel tov on your birth, anon....do we get a birth story, or did my breastfeeding brains just forget about it. lol.
post #863 of 1773
1/23/08 at 1:17pm
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Originally Posted by anon7799 View Post
i thought that homebirth midwives couldn't get malpractice insurance. are they going to change that? or just require them to get insurance but offer no real way for them to get it (that would be typical!).)
exactly

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Originally Posted by anon7799 View Post
....besides the 4 kg thing, what else did the article mention? (for the hebrew impaired)
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החוזר מגדיר כי אסור ללדת בלידת בית בהריון שבו תאומים או יותר, מותר לילד בלידת בית רק כשהעובר במצג ראש, הלידה מתקיימת בין שבוע 37 לשבוע 41, הערכת המשקל של העובר בין 2.5 ל-4 ק"ג, כמות מי השפיר תקינה והיולדת היא מעל גיל 18. החוזר קובע כי רופא או מיילדת לא יבצעו לידת בית באישה שבריאותה אינה תקינה

THIS WAS THE EASIEST WAY FOR ME TO TRANSLATE- sorry abt the caps

not if it is twins or breach, only from 37-41 weeks, only if the estimated weight is 2.5-4 kilo and there is a good amt of amniotic fluid, and if the birthing mother is over 18 y.o. and healthy and this isnt in the quote but it can only be a dr or lincenced midwife.
post #864 of 1773
1/23/08 at 3:12pm
A little rigid, eh?

So dh is depressed. The US dollar is crashing against the shekels and our savings aren't going to get us as far as they would have 3, 6 or 12 months ago. What to do?????
post #865 of 1773
1/23/08 at 3:25pm
I e-mailed a couple of midwives that I'm friendly with in Israel. So far the one response I've gotten was that this was a "polite" way to make it impossible for CNM's to do homebirths while appearing to just "regulate" them (the insurance issue) and that she doesn't have any plans to change the way she does business.
post #866 of 1773
1/23/08 at 4:12pm
My question is whether or not Bituach Leumi will start covering home birth as a result of this legislation. If home birth is now legitimate then shouldn't it be covered the same way a hospital birth is covered?
post #867 of 1773
1/23/08 at 6:05pm
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Originally Posted by 3daughters View Post
My question is whether or not Bituach Leumi will start covering home birth as a result of this legislation. If home birth is now legitimate then shouldn't it be covered the same way a hospital birth is covered?
They aren't going to. Neither the maternity grant (unless you show up at the hospital afterward) nor will they start paying the MW's for the birth.
post #868 of 1773
1/24/08 at 5:40am
Well...

*MY* question is b'ezrat hashem when I get pregnant really soon, will i tell my dh that i am planning an illegal homebirth?
post #869 of 1773
1/24/08 at 6:03am
nope, you'll find a legal loophole so that it WILL be legal...
post #870 of 1773
1/24/08 at 12:05pm
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Originally Posted by gilamama View Post
Well...

*MY* question is b'ezrat hashem when I get pregnant really soon, will i tell my dh that i am planning an illegal homebirth?
Why would it have to be illegal?
post #871 of 1773
1/24/08 at 8:20pm
Don't want to intrude but my family is planning a trip to Israel next year, of maybe 6 months duration. An Israeli friend is urging us to stay near his family in Modiin but Dh says, "if we're going all the way to Israel already, I want to be in Jerusalem."

I'm hoping Dd can learn Hebrew at a Waldorf school IF I can get into contact with someone at one, which has proven hard.

Help, anyone?

Toda!
post #872 of 1773
1/24/08 at 8:20pm
Don't want to intrude but my family is planning a trip to Israel starting September or so of this year, of maybe 6 months duration. An Israeli friend is urging us to stay near his family in Modiin but Dh says, "if we're going all the way to Israel already, I want to be in Jerusalem."

I'm hoping Dd can learn Hebrew at a Waldorf school IF I can get into contact with someone at one, which has proven hard.

Help, anyone?

Toda!
post #873 of 1773
1/25/08 at 5:05am
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Originally Posted by 3daughters View Post
Why would it have to be illegal?
b/c i would likely be paying someone to do it who is not a CNM or OB with homebirth insurance.

Curious, welsome. would you mind telling us abt yourself and we could help you know how you might fit in in different places around Israel. What is your religion? Do you or your Dh know any Hebrew? Have you been here before or lived anywhere else over seas? Will one of you be commuting to a job in Jerusalem, Tel aviv, Modiin?
post #874 of 1773
1/25/08 at 9:40am
illegal.

i'm changing my mental picture. Its about LIVING, not legality.

and, yes, you still gotta be honest w/ dh, imho.
post #875 of 1773
1/25/08 at 10:45am
Quote:
Originally Posted by gilamama View Post
b/c i would likely be paying someone to do it who is not a CNM or OB with homebirth insurance.
Got it.
post #876 of 1773
1/26/08 at 8:03am
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Originally Posted by jul511riv View Post
mazel tov on your birth, anon....do we get a birth story, or did my breastfeeding brains just forget about it. lol.
DS is now 6 months old. i put my birth story on a while back. i totally understand about the breastfeeding brains - my BF brains almost got me hit by a bus 3 months ago (honestly, when i think back about it it's so scary!).

i heard that the whole reason why people who birth at home and then go to hospital get the manaak lida is because a knesset member's daughter had a homebirth and she worked through her father to get this issue settled so at least people showing up to the hospital afterwards can get their rights (of course ALL women should get this right even if they don't go to hospital after their homebirth). anyone know more details on that story? who was the knesset member? are they still sitting on the knesset? maybe we could approach them and start lobbying for the national insurance to cover homebirths and to improve the legal environment for homebirths in general. any other ideas on this? are there any organizations in israel that might be doing lobbying work on homebirth?
post #877 of 1773
1/26/08 at 4:03pm
these new regulations are the result of THREE YEARS of work by some committee. This comitte spoke with OBs and gybnecologists and professors but not with...










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if there are any other smileys that might be relevant feel free to post them.
post #878 of 1773
1/26/08 at 5:19pm
I can think of one you missed.

but the really appropriate one would be


I'm also toying with the idea of HB for next time, but I can't even start thinking of how to get DH on board.

(Gila, don't forget to tell me when the next is planned, so we can have them at the same time like our other kids. )

Anon, 6 months, wow, time flies!
There is an organization called nashim korot laledet, whose main agenda is giving women a choice of where to give birth, hospital, birth center or home. There's also an organization of home birth midwives, called AMAHI. Don't know of any story with a knesset member, can't help with that.
post #879 of 1773
1/26/08 at 5:56pm
HIT BY A BUS?!?!?!?!??!?!?!


Holy crap. Now I KNOW you didn't post that one on here. Are you okay...like to the birth story I wann aread it.
post #880 of 1773
1/27/08 at 3:32am
The Protocols suck.... but I saw copies along the way they were worse, better and ended up BAD!!!!!! And actually HB Midwives did try to have a say and it passed by at least one that I know of but in the end well.... you see what happened.

I am sure there will be ways to get around them (even legally)!!!! Justlike hbacs got around the whole insurance issues (there was a time when no one wanted to touch a vbac, but there were midwives with a neshama that slowly understood that sometimes you need to bend the rules etc....)

I haven't actually spoken to anyone about it yet, but if I hear anything I'll let you all know.

Paula,
Great to meet you last week!!!
Whoever is interested in her class...She is quite amazing, if I were pregnant I would attend. She has a great Energy around her!!!!

Dahlia

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