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Anyone going to Michigan this year?

post #1 of 77
Thread Starter 
I was wondering if anyone was planning on going, or thinking of going??
My partner and I have gone every year we have been together, and this will be out daughters 5 th year.
We have always had a great time at the festival, and it is a great place for kids!!!

Kirsten
post #2 of 77
Forgive my ignorance - which festival?
I'm in nortern MI
post #3 of 77
Are you talking about the Michigan Womyn's Music Festival?
post #4 of 77
http://www.michfest.com/home.htm The only thing that scared me was the vegetarian food they serve all week... (carnivore here). I'm sure it's good, but I'd be sneaking out to get cheeseburgers.

It sounds awesome. I'd probably never want to come home! But no, I'm not going, too hard to get time off.

Have fun Kirsten!!
post #5 of 77
Yeah, even if someone payed my way I wouldn't go, unfortunately. I'm not into their "womyn born womyn" policy, and I happen to also have two boy-children that I would want to be able to hang with for the weekend. Le Tigre is playing near me and I won't be going to see them, either. I think it's utterly lame to discriminate against trans women. It's a shame, becasue it probably could have been a great festival.
post #6 of 77
I was planning to go and even had scheduled the time off of work....however, DP and I are instead getting married I cannot believe this day has actually come for us. I cannot quit smiling
post #7 of 77
Congrats on your marriage!!
post #8 of 77
I went for five years in the mid-90s, but my partner and I stopped going for several reasons: 1) unsupportive of bisexuals (as I am), 2) "womyn-born-womyn" policy excluded several of our friends, 3) many sub-communities are marginalized. We decided our $$ was better spent elsewhere. Now I have a male partner, and we prefer to attend events we can enjoy together.

Having said all that, I appreciate the value of women-only space, I really had a fabulous time, and if I have girl children, I may very well bring them back with some queer friends. My best friend is a lesbian and she is TTC right now. The girlspace is so cool! =)
post #9 of 77
Just wanted to chime in that I'm another person in the "would *love* to go but cannot support the womyn-born-womyn policy". It really sucks because I've heard such great things, but I just could never support something that tolerates that kind of trans-phobia.

Plus, DW hates womyn music, aside from ani difranco. she likes "System of A Down" and that kind of crap. She didn't even know who k.d. lang was until I filled her in, haha! :LOL
post #10 of 77
Thread Starter 
I find it interesting that in space, there are so many womyn who do not recognise the need for women who have lived their whole lives as women, to gather together and celebrate who we are. The Michigan Womyn's music festival is not anti anything, it is pro-womyn born Womyn.
MWMF is a great place to meet other womyn, and see any body type that you could imagine. It is a place where little girls can run freely, because they are surrounded by thousands of mothers. It is a place where you might see your old school teacher, girl scout leader, 3 rd grade crush... It is a place where you can hear music ranging from punk to Klezmer to yodeling... Learn to belly dance or samba, spend the day talking to your girlfriend and shower under the stars. Try some new food. Marvel in the wonder that womyn can make, and take apart!! That is just a bit about what the MWMF is about.
Now here is not what it is. It is not air conditioned, it is not in the city, it is not a place for those who do not want to change their lives, or to celebrate the womyn that they are. It is not a place for men, or those who choose to live their lives as men.
Because it is a celebration of womyn and the lives that we lead.

Kirsten
post #11 of 77
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Originally Posted by mplsmom
I find it interesting that in space, there are so many womyn who do not recognise the need for women who have lived their whole lives as women, to gather together and celebrate who we are.
Kirsten
I, for one, have not lived my whole life as a woman. I was once a little child.
I, probably as most children, was filled with insecurities. Existential Panic, as it were.
I was mortally self conscious about my hair. I thought I would be happy turning into a little pile of sand and being blown away by the most convenient gust of wind. Imagine how I would have felt if I was stuck with a penis between my legs that I didn't want, as well.
One of the most beautiful thing about womyn, in my opinion, is our ability to empathize in an uncannily harmonious way with other living creatures. Especially our sisters in spirit.
Well now, I can talk festival-jive too.
I celebrate womyn every blinkin' moment of my life and it certainly as #ELL is not about what we physically look like. It is about who we have become.
post #12 of 77
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Originally Posted by mplsmom
It is not a place for men, or those who choose to live their lives as men.
Apparently, it could be. I know FTMs who are welcomed at the door (because they were "born womyn") and I know MTFs who still feel marginalized at Festival, even though they "pass" very well.

I personally felt marginalized by the women who said unkind things to women in leather... by the women who picketed the punk rock group Tribe 8 with hatred in their voice... by the women who said time and again that "bisexuals aren't *really* queer..." by the pain of women who had to leave the festival grounds to nurse their 5-year-old boys sequestered in Brother Sun.

Apparently MWMF is not a celebration of all women. I cannot support that.
post #13 of 77
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Originally Posted by nubianamy
Apparently MWMF is not a celebration of all women. I cannot support that.
Exactly. And I'm sorry, but I would never want to teach my daughter (if I have one, some day) that this type of discrimination is ok. We have lots of trans friends. What if festivals for black women excluded those who are mixed race? I just can't support something that excludes trans women because they don't fit in their definition of women.
post #14 of 77
I know that the festival is not a perfect world and I honor your choice to abstain but I am one momma who feels the ach of missing Michigan this year. I have gone 6 out of the last 12 years and really wanted to make it this year but finances don't allow. I will certainly hurt when my son's are not allowed on the land any more and will not subject them to the isolation of Brother Sun. That leaves very few years left to include them. As a heterosexual woman, I of course feel marginalized at the festival which has been an enormously enlightening experience. If I only participated in things I was in complete agreement with, I might never leave the house.
post #15 of 77
I get that, Maureen -- I miss festival sometimes too, and I have lots of friends who still go. I'm enjoying watching my best friend go every year and I live vicariously through her. =)
post #16 of 77
So did anyone go? How was it??
post #17 of 77

yes we go

Hi - I love Michigan. I don't have a problem with the women born women policy. I know this raises lots of issues and I don't even care to discuss them anymore. It's that I respect that it is a privately owned space and the festival owners have the right to design that event any way they want. There are lots of festivals all over the world and each has their own politics. I think they all should. Each of us if deciding to attend should attend the one most in line with their thinking. I love the energy of Michigan. I have found it no where else on earth. I have all sorts of other issues with Michigan, but in the end there is more I love than hate. There is more I get out of going than I will ever get out of not going. I have been a part of the community of Michigan for 11 or 12 years. We love it.

I am going pregnant this year. I will be 6 months pregnant by then. I would really really like to connect to Michigan loving moms out there. My partner and i have been together 10 years and consider Michigan a time to renew and gain center in ourselves.
post #18 of 77
I think we get to go this year... Joey will be 4 so it is kind of now or never. Anyone else?
post #19 of 77
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Originally Posted by Magic Denise
I am going pregnant this year. I will be 6 months pregnant by then. I would really really like to connect to Michigan loving moms out there. My partner and i have been together 10 years and consider Michigan a time to renew and gain center in ourselves.
I think it could be different for me if I had a female partner.

I do have a daughter and I plan to bring her in the future, at least a few times, so she can experience Michigan as a young child. It was so profound for me at 19, I can only imagine what a difference it would make to have those experiences be "normal" growing up.

She's only going to be five months old this August, so I think I'll wait another year or two.
post #20 of 77

Michigan is Integral to being a Mom and for my Kids

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Originally Posted by lunadoula
Exactly. And I'm sorry, but I would never want to teach my daughter (if I have one, some day) that this type of discrimination is ok. We have lots of trans friends. What if festivals for black women excluded those who are mixed race? I just can't support something that excludes trans women because they don't fit in their definition of women.
i teach my black son and daughter that they need to create spaces for themselves that they feel comfortable in. sometimes they choose to have space to play with black kids even though they are at a mixed school. even at 3 and 5, they feel the difference. even though their white friends may feel "excluded." sometimes we just don't get to be everywhere we want to be. that doesn't mean they don't have worth or aren't loved. hell, if i didn't teach my 5 year old that, i would NEVER get a chance to be alone with myself or my partner!

and i think it would be absolutely FINE for black women to exclude mixed women. they have totally different experiences of racism in the world. and although we (a lived experience i reference here) have lived with racism, having lighter skin or "good hair" or all of these other ridiculous things that have been imposed on our bodies from inside and out change how we wrestle with our internalized racism. is that defining how the mixed woman is a woman or is it figuring out who shares a lived experience of similar damage? to create separate space to heal with our respective experience growing up with and living with racism seems absolutely right to me.

i mean, on that note, are you against MWMF's Women of Color tent? shouldn't white women be able to go to that tent because they are women too? would you be cool with all women attending a space for trans-women only because we are all women?

recognizing our *lived* differences, creating celebrations about those differences is an important part of life for me and my kids. being raised as a boy is not the same as being raised as a girl. as parents, we see this better than anyone.

and that is one of the reasons why michigan is SO GOOD for my kids, especially my daughter. she gets to remap her brain. and my son has a deal with not getting the privileges (even as a black boy) that are bestowed on him every day. and i see it every day...he gets attention and power dumped on him in a way my daughter does only if she looks "cute."

our oppressions make us who they are. as women, as queers: we are women of color, we are fat, skinny, we are white, we are trans. i'm not willing for myself or my daugher to become a homogenized "woman." i honor my lived experiences, my differences and out of basic respect i would hope others would honor it too.

oh, and as for F2Ms, why would a man want to go to a women's festival?!? that's not about "letting them in" that's about self-selecting. and if someone self selects to go to a women's festival, they clearly don't consider themselves a man.
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