Have you seen this video?

[MonicaS]

ugh - a "painless" circumcision
http://www.pollockclinics.com/circum...ion-video.html

[Quirky]

I can't watch circ videos...can you describe what it shows so we can know whether to click on it or not?

I know I read a really long article on Medline a little while ago about how to do a painless circ, with anesthesia, a more comfortable style of circumstraint that didn't spreadeagle them, sugar water pacifier, the works....yes, it was probably a lot less painful but I kept thinking...

GEEZ PEOPLE MUTILATION IS STILL MUTILATION!!!

[aira]

I too would like a decription...

Well, at least they really really care about the feelings of the infant they are carving up. [/sarcasm]

[Frankly Speaking]

I got a mostly blank page and couldn't access the video. However, I did look around the site just a little bit and saw that he links directly to Edgar Schoen's website. That tells me a lot. A physician would instantly know that Schoen overstates his case by a large degree so I suspect this man pushes circumcision strongly. It also appears that he is trying to drum up business as it is usually the OB that does circumcision and it looks he's trying to get to the money trough.

He talks about his procedure taking "40 seconds" and how safe and painless it is with the procedure he and only he has developed. The truth is that he uses the Mogen technique that is very common and no way can be completed in just 40 seconds from start to finish. The Mogen technique also has a very high risk of partial amputation of the glans.

What this guy is saying is that he has found the right way to do a wrong thing when the only thing he has found is a high tech way to manipulate the smoke and mirrors.



Frank

[Pandora114]

Frank: That Dr is based in Vancouver. OB's there don't do Circs. They are an outpatient procedure. NOT covered by BC medical at all. So yeah, for him it's all about the Queen Lizabeths.

[Frankly Speaking]

Originally Posted by Pandora114

Frank: That Dr is based in Vancouver. OB's there don't do Circs. They are an outpatient procedure. NOT covered by BC medical at all. So yeah, for him it's all about the Queen Lizabeths.

Can I assume Queen Lizabeths are the same as our greenback$? We don't see them here down south.

I can also understand that he's gotta use the hard sell to get business after Ryliegh McWillis died from his circumcision in 2002 and I can understand why he makes a big deal about the false safety. It is also understandable that he does circs in office as I can imagine the hospitals in Vancouver want nothing to do with them any more after Ryliegh died at Penticon.



Frank

[Nathan1097]

I could see the video... Its got elevator music playing and whatnot. Like its some sort of "ooh! Aah! Lovely!" procedure. He does the mogen clamp but with forcepts. He says "I developed this technique..." at least twice- once about using forecepts and once about using a dorsal penile nerve block. (Which isn't true, for anybody reading who doesn't already know this.) He used EMLA, DBNB, and sugar/wine on a cloth, along with the standard three-hemostat method and the Mogen. I am not sure why he'd need to make the dorsal slit if he then used the Mogen clamp, but whatever. He says its better/safer than "hospital circumcisions". And its different how? He used all the same stuff!

[Pandora114]

Queen 'Lizabeths are our $20, Or should I say in that Dr's case "It's all about the..aw crap I don't know who's on the C-notes up here because I've never SEEN them...It's some dude with a moustache..that's all I know"

And no, I don't think the hospitals in Vancouver want to have anything to do with them either. from what I hear, the Vancouver NOCIRC is really targeting that Dr.

[Pandora114]

Nate, Hospitals use Gomco. And anyway, that's ANOTHER lie that the dr is spouting. Vancouver BC Hospitals don't do Neonatal circ. He's obviously marketing to the American Audience with that little bit. Because alot of Americans come up from WA to have him do it, because well the exchange rate! $400 CAD vs $500 USD

[Nathan1097]

Originally Posted by Pandora114

Nate, Hospitals use Gomco. And anyway, that's ANOTHER lie that the dr is spouting. Vancouver BC Hospitals don't do Neonatal circ. He's obviously marketing to the American Audience with that little bit. Because alot of Americans come up from WA to have him do it, because well the exchange rate! $400 CAD vs $500 USD

They use Gomco or Plastibell, but the REST of his technique is just like the hospital! Circumstraint, EMLA, DPNB, sucrose gauze, hemostats... So saying you use a Mogen that makes it "better" is nonsense. Its the same thing! Same steps, little different way is all. And how would you save any money by going to Canada- wouldn't the ferry or plane ride cost the difference of the circ cost?

[Pandora114]

Not really because one can just drive from some places in WA to Vancouver in a little under 2hrs. Make a day of it, Pick up some duty free beer, some smokes, clothes, diapers, formula, and get your baby mutilated at the same time, it's golden! uke

[MonicaS]

Hey, sorry I didn't get to answer that question. I just got online. Yeah, it's sick the way he has the soft music playing and he is all talking tenderly. :

I found that site by someone else who used it to show "how circs are really done". She felt good knowing she had researched it. :

It's so stupid that she linked to that when the crowd she was trying to convince were all adopting children that would be older and put under.

[sarathan]

Ugh, as with all circ videos, I feel like I'm going to throw up.

[pdx.mothernurture]

I've seen it before, but it's been awhile. I noticed the soft, elevator music and the choppy-filming (pun intended I guess)...basically, short second or two clip of the baby, then him talking again, then back to the baby...and you can see that little baby's belly moving up and down, he is obviously upset. I cringed at the injections...even with emla, those were DEEP injections. Ug. Baby starts to fuss...back to him talking...the use of the hemostats (not forceps, moron) like that is COMMON, he didn't pioneer it. Disgusting and enraging...And, dishonest, because the video is totally edited.

I think you just have to look at this video for what it is: An advertisement.

Jen

Ps. The hospital I worked in did all three methods, just depending on the preferrences of the practitioner.

[Acksiom]

Um, if he's making patently false claims. . .well, isn't there some kind of canadian Better Business Bureau or Anti-Fraud Department or something to which he can be reported?