Spinoff: Family-friendly nudist resorts - Page 2

[nicole lisa]

Originally Posted by Greaseball

I think if the child wants to go to the resort and wants to be naked, that's good enough for me as far as consent goes. Are resorts clothing-optional or clothing-absolutely-not-allowed? If clothes were not allowed at all, I wouldn't go. I've been to a few clothing-optional places and sometimes I opted to wear clothes. I like to have the choice.

Yeah, I like clothing optional, but I do understand why some resorts don't have clothes as optional.

[nicole lisa]

Oh I just have to add onemore thing to the conversation, cause I think it's really the most important issue.

I always find it so telling about our N.American experience that every time nudity comes up the discussion becomes about sex and then perversions and I know it's because as a society and the way it's set up here most people have very little experience with nudity outside of sex. I find that very odd and also very sad. Anyone else?

Nudists aren't a bunch of people looking to oogle and get it on with everyone else. Sex isn't part of the equation so I would feel safe having my son at a nudist beach or resort because the environment wouldn't be sexually charged. I worry more about our sons and daughters in high school and just how high the incidence of sexual harrasment and assault is there. And that's all fully clothed.

The more I think about it using the argument that being unclothed puts our kids at greater risk of assault or blurring boundaries is the same arguement that rapsits and their lawyers use to put the responsibilty back on the victim: did you see what she/he was wearing/not wearing? Obviously out looking for sex. We've all heard it lots before, but it doesn't make it vaid.

But then again, there I go bringing sex and perversion into a discussion about nudity.

[Unoppressed MAMA Q]

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thanks, nicole lisa.

for those of you that are worried about sex, are you aware that there exist SEX CLUBS for your shared adult pleasure?
probably in your backyard, whether formalized or not.
much of the world is NOT sharing the same sexual/nude/political/religious values as you, but those things never seem to intersect with the 'real world' b/c you have to seek them out.
except for the freaking 'party like a rockstar' billboard that i pray my toddlers arent' looking at. where's my adult consent about hypersexualized women's bodies?
that's WHY i'm taking my kids to a nudist CLUB (not colony), to mentally 'vaccinate' them, if you will, against that damn billboard...

(BTW, no flames, i don't believe in actual vaccinations)

[srain]

Don't have time for a real post, just wanted to say that all the resorts I know of allow clothing- few wear it, though, cuz why would they want to? Clothing is useful for protections against sun/ bugs, etc. I certainly can't picture a family resort not allowing children to wear clothes if they prefer.

[Linda on the move]

Originally Posted by nicole lisa

I think it's beneficial for children to grow up without shame when it comes to their bodies and it'd also be great if kids were exposed to bodies of all sizes, shapes and colours. I want my son to understand that not all women look like the cover of a Maxim magazine and when they don't it's natural and beautiful.

Why do the bodies have to be naked? We see people of different sizes and shapes and colors every time we leave our house. We live where there are different cultures and not all women in our community feel the need to hide if they are average or above average size (I personally feel that Anglo culture is the worst for the skinny=acceptable nonsense). When we go to the water park (no beaches here!) I see moms with their kids wearing swim suits and playing -- they don't seem to care if their cellulite is showing. May be this is different in different parts of the county, but we see chubby women wearing short, halters, and swim suits that show lots of skin.

I'm not trying to be snarky here. I really do understand the point that you are making when you say...

I don't want my son growing up with the only nude images of women being the ones he sees in movies or in magazines. It's unrealistic and it hurts males as well as females.

I feel the same way. The standard of beauty for American women is so unrealistic it can only be reached through a combo of a extreme dieting, constant exercise, and surgery.

then again, my kids don't see much nudity in movies and mag.

I wouldn't make DS go to Disneyworld (and god I hope he never wants to go so I don't have to force myself, lol)

We have found something that we TOTALLY agree on.

If you don't see bodies as private or sexual and needed to be covered than there's no difference between the consent to ride the school bus and the consent to attend a family vacation.

I don't see bodies as purely sexual by I do see them as private. Your logic doesn't work for me. In the examples you use of consent, it is the parent deciding if an activity is safe and assuming the responsible for the child -- holding other harmless if the child were to be injured. That is different honoring a child's desires. A child consenting to go on a vacation is about wether or not they want to go -- it is NOT something the parent can give or do.

If nudity (and not just the familys') is not out of the ordinary in your family life than it's not different for the kids.

But that is assuming that he will always be, think, and feel just like you do. That may not always be the case. I think kids grow up to be who ever they want to. I'm a lot different from my parents and I expect my kids to grow up different from me.