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post #1 of 14
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Ok, some background, I'll try to keep it short: My mom had me at 17, dumped me on her parents, came back when I was three and took me with her against my will (Yes, I actually remember that). Drug me through a million men, was abused in front of me, did drugs in front of me etc. Did a million little things while I was growing up to belittle me, from talking me out of trying out for the basketball team in jr. high with her list of things I couldnt do and wouldnt be good at (in jr. high, EVERYONE makes the team, you just have to show up) to making fun of my poetry (I couldnt possible know that much about life and pain) to belitting my play pretend games (At various times I pretended to be a princess, a mermaid, an executive, a sahm, a brain surgeon, a garbage collector, an indian etc and any number of other probable and improbable things) one day I was pretending to be a secretarey and was told (by the woman who checked groceries for a living) "I thought you had more ambition than that, whats wrong with you? Dont you want to amount to anything?

I left home at 16 after an argument that ended when she chucked a glass bottle at me and hit my brother, blooding his lip. I came back home pregnant and was pressured into an abortion. While I was still healing from that, I was kicked in the stomach, making me spend years wondering if I could even have kids. I left again and never went back.

At 22 I had my ds1 and for years barely spoke to my mother. Meanwhile, she married her 5th husband, a really decent guy (theyve been togather 16 years now). She raised his three kids and did a better job, she was older, more mature and had a stable partner for the first time. We fought a lot over ds, mostly because I didnt spank and so had (her words) "an out of control spoiled child who never hears the word no". I wonder why he's such a polite child now, why I get compliments on him? Anyway.

I stayed gone, 200 miles away until ds was 11. I drove my crappy cars, without a/c, with bald tires, whatever twice a year to come home and visit, mostly to see my brother and stepsiblings whom I became close to. In all that time my mother visited me once, she wouldnt make the trip when I (a highschool dropout) graduated from Texas A&M University.

My ex was abusive, he did drugs, he was violent, he punched holes in walls, threatened me, verbally abused me, pushed me, threw things at me etc. My mother encouraged me to stay with him, because he was "good for me" and made me "more stable" huh? Fast forward to my current dh, the most loving man Ive ever known, my soulmate I swear, and I was told not to date him. I was told that we were "besotted", "unrealistic" etc. and "just wait two years and it will be a diffrent story" well, its been three and hes never raised his voice to me, much less a hand, hes never punched a wall or even stomped off angry. We never really argue, we actually (gasp) discuss, listen to each other and compromise. And generally, I pretty much make all the decisions.

Fil lives with us, and dh's 19 yr old cousin came when he was 16 and needed a place to stay to be able to finish school. Now we find out his two youngest siblings, 16 and 9 are in foster care and we have applied to get them.

DH and I have a two year old dd and a six month old ds, both are still bf.

Deep breath.

My mother has never had a functional relaptionship in her life, my stepdads a good guy, but my mom says not affectionate or intimate or whatever and she has had an affair. Today my mom took my sil (dh's sister) to get her extra set of keys when she locked herself out and they talked about dh's childhood. DH does not speak to his bio mother at all, sil says that fil did his share of sh#$t too and its not fair. Whatever. I have refused sil's requests to get in the middle of it(she wants me to talk dh into forgiving mil), apparently mil beat the crap out of dh with a belt and not just on his butt. Now, my mother says, "well, but did he tell you what he did to deserve it?" I said no, and NOTHING could justify it and Im sure he WAS screwed up andout of control because of his parents, but yeah, they should punish him for it (sarcasm), but the main thing is, mil moved to a diffrent state and refused fil any visitation and dh was very attached to his dad. Then my mom tells me that sil said dh has a bad temper and goes on and on about he better not hit me. She also goes on and on about Imbeing taken advantage of by his "sorry" family, that Im everyones slave (fil does most of the cleaning, I do most of the cooking though fil and dh both take thier turns, I NEVER wash dishes, fil does, dh also cleans and vaccums and we all three do diaper duty). She says ds1 and the cousin should clean more. They take out all garbage, wash thier own towels and clean thier own rooms and bathroom (they share one). My moms problem is they dont clean it often enough or good enough to HER standards. She is a compulsive neat freak, neurtoic and anal. She cant have a bedspeard with tassels becuase she'll literally spend hours straightening the tassels.

My personal philosophy is, kids are temporary (they grow up), the house will always be here to clean. Now, Im not dirty, you wont find overflowing garbage cans or three days worth of dishes or anythign nasty, but you will find toys scattered everywhere, cheerios onthe floor, dirty laundry in a pile, but yes on the floor, for days until I can get to it. Bottom line, the kids are a priority. Yes, growing up our house was spotless, I was miserable, so who cares?

Anyway, Im just so sick of all of this, she tells me how dd would eat and grow better if I weaned her, she still thinks I never tell my kids no, that I feed them nothing but junk (its so untrue and not fair), she has always held the warped, out of nowhere view that Im somehow dominated, she'll ask me to go somewhere then add, "If youre allowed" when Ive never had to ask permission of dh for ANYTHING. SHES the one always saying, "___ wont let me".

Now she's on the kids, saying how Im putting them before my own and hurting my dd (doesnt seem concerned about either ds) and they will hurt her because of thier past (by this logic, Im not safe to be around them) and we cant afford it and Im only doing this because dh has total control over me and Im supported his whole family. First of all, dh brings in almost TWICE what I do and fil gets about half what I get from his pension and is a free, live in nanny and housekeeper. I think we do a great job of cooperating and looking out for each other and making this household run. Ive never had an argument with fil or with dh's cousin. I actual love it, my house is so full of love. And Ive always been told Im "overprotective" and "paranoid" with my kids and I am a little, because of my past, I was sexually molested. So first of all, no way Id let it happen, if I got an inkling these kids were THAT troubled, out theyd go. Id never have anyone around that would hurt them. I KNOW these kids, ive spent time with them, they are sweet kids whove had hell. Thier older brother has been a huge help aound here, often paying MORE than what we charge him for rent just because. My kids adore him. I think I have pretty good instincts. Second of all, I guess it yanks my chain hard because if her instincts are so good, why did I get molested by TWO diffrent men and a little boy from a perfectly "good home"?

Now she has my stepsister, also in an abusive relationship, working two jobs to his none and miserable, critizing my tandem nursing! ARGH! Enough is enough!

My dd loves her grammy and my mom and I have (beleive it or not) made great strides (until recently) towards mending our relationship. But I have had it, from her nagging me every day of my pregnancy about how we were living in a dream world for wanting another baby (yeah, we dont live in the real world or know what were in for, who does she think raised the first two??) to her insinuating that my relationship (the first healthy, functional one Ive ever had other than the ones with my kiddos) is someone abusive (when she wanted me to stay in the one that actually WAS)! I mean, how can someone be so disconnected from reality? Its like she doest listen to a word I say, but makes up these scenarios from what I dont know.

I want everyone to stay out of my life and my decisions!! My only two real stressors are: my ex and HER! SHE is what stresses me, Im HAPPY at home!

I have said, explicity, that my decisions are always thought out and researched and discussed etc and that I expect them to be respected, even if not agreed with. I do not go into THIER homes and tell them how to live, criticize thier decions or tell them they are doing things wrong. And it would be one thing to state her opinion and leave it alone, but she is relentless. She knows we want to have one more baby and has been doing her best to talk us out of it since I was pregnant with the last one. She so sure we will go the poor house or something. I make ok money, we will never be rich, but we are richer in more important ways. My kids lack for nothing.

Ok, I think Ive ranted myself out now.

Any suggestions/comments appreciated!!
post #2 of 14
First ... very big to you. This sounds very, very unpleasant and I am so sorry you are dealing with it.

My advice? Stand up and be heard, loud and clear. You need to show her that this is your life and that these are your kids, and your decisions. Each time she says something about/to you that is total BS I would call her on it. "Why do you say that I have to be "allowed" to go? I never have to ask Dh for permission to go anywhere. Could you tell me where you got that idea from?" When they criticize your tandem nursing perhaps you should say something like, "Thanks for your concern about what I should do with my own breasts. Because they are actually mine though, I think I will decide what I will do or not do with them. Feel free to NOT nurse as much as you'd like"

I hope the situation gets better soon for you.
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post #4 of 14
Thread Starter 
UnschoolnMa: the breast comment made me LOL! I love it and will use it! And calling her on it, asking for specifics is a great idea!

loraeileen: you are right. When I lived so far away, thats exactly what I did, my friends were more family than my mom. I moved home to be near my siblings and nieces and nephews whose lives I wanted to be a part of.

I have no problem cutting her off if it comes to that, and maybe I should communicate that to her. It might temper her behavior. I do know that I should simply give her as little info as possible. I mean, it'll be a few weeks before cps even makes a decision, she can go ballistic then, all I did by telling her of our intentions was buy myself three more weeks of it. Told her that fil was getting some backpay on his pension, and have already heard her rant about what he should spend it on and why (give it all to me, of course).

I swear, Im going to just stop calling her and stick to the weather when she calls me!
post #5 of 14


I think she sounds like someone you are better off without. I would close her out of your life. A Christmas card and a call on Mother's day maybe and that's it. She's not a good influence for your kids and she makes you crazy.

Family is who you choose and it sounds like you have a great one.

-Angela
post #6 of 14
I think you need to sit down and share this with her in a non-confrontational manner. Without your kids, your dh, or anyone else around. I'm not big on cutting people out of my life, unless there is another option.
I'd also strongly suggest cultivating a mental shield (literally, visualise a forcefield around yourself, bouncing mental arrows off it straight back into her) and developing a "look." You know that look some people give you, that makes you feel like dirt? Get one, and use it. You are being too nice. It is possible to have a relationship with someone who is not a nice person, and still maintain your boundaries.
post #7 of 14
Can we say CONTROL FREAK? Is she paying any of your bills? Is she taking care of any of your children? If the answer is NO (which I'm assuming it is), then she has NO SAY in how you live in your home and who you choose to live in YOUR home.

I know she's your mother and we all TRY and have good relationships with our mothers, but if this is the only stress in your life and it's effecting you mental stability, then you have to weigh the goods of keeping the relationship to the goods of being without her.

Tough one, mama. Good luck!
post #8 of 14
Lots of to you; maintaining your own boundaries is critical to your own survival and happiness, as well as that of your children and dh.

I struggle a lot with similar issues in my faimily, primarily my mother. It's very tough.

I highly recommend the book Boundaries. The authors are Cloud and Townsend. I am just finishing it, and finding lots of empowerment in the truth written in there.

Hang in there. Keep making decisions for what is best for you and your family.
post #9 of 14
There is a wonderful book called TOXIC PARENTS.
It's about 10-20 years old now, but all of the information still applies to today's unhealthy relationships.
Regardless of the fact that she is your biological mother, sometimes we need to move on. Easier said than done, but as an adult with children of her own, you know that you have to make the best choices for those children.
Check out that book. And then give up the relationship you have with your mother. It's toxic. And you need to be an example of a healthy mother with healthy relationships for your family.
post #10 of 14
Sounds like she could be jealous of you. Seems like you are in a good place right now and she could also be feeling a little guilty.
post #11 of 14
Thread Starter 
My stepsister just announced her pregnancy. Let's review: her dh is out of work indefinately (he had a knee injury,but due to his weight, may never recover enough to work again) and she is now missing work thanks to morning sickness. While I think the timing might be bad for having a baby I did offer my congratulations, but I thought for sure my mom would go throug the roof. Nope, she was totally blase about it, saying yeah, well, when is a good time? (She knows they planned this too, even knowing he may never be able to work again). But yet, dh and I both work, make decent money, and we are irresponsible for having ds2 and now even more so for the foster care thing. I just dont get it. Sigh. I had a thought the other day, I could just start telling her really outrageous things, like "for our next baby we're gonna shoot up fertility drugs and try for quads or quints" just to watch her head spin around backwards. She'll be so happy then when we just have one! Or how 'bout, "We've actually decide we love being foster parents so much, we are adopting seven more by next year". Or next time I get asked about when I plan to wean, "After highschool graduation". If she gets enough sarcastic answers, she'll stop maybe?

She not ALWAYS this bad. Like I said, for awhile she seemed on an even keel and fairly reasonable and we were actual getting along (surprised me). This whole foster care thing has really lite her up though. You know, this is why I lived 200 miles away for 13 years.

I have decided to just stop calling her though. I know sooner or later she'll call me, but it'll be awhile, she can go for two or three weeks being "too busy" to call anyone (She's not working, no kids at home, no volunteer activities, she gets too busy to socialize just scrubbing and cleaning and Im not kidding, when she was working she'd use her vacation to vaccum ceilings and stuff like that, thats why she couldnt find time to ever come visit her only daughter and only grandchild).

THe last time she was bad enough that I had actually made the decision to cut her out of my life completely, it turned out she was having major hormonal problems, after her hysterctomy she calmed way down. Right now I think she's off the hormones she was on, because they do carry thier own problems. Shes trying to find a more natural remedy, but I wonder if that could be part of the problem this time too? I mean, shes highstrung on a good day, throw a hormonal imbalance into the equation and look out.
post #12 of 14
just wanted to chime in one more time; I don't think we have to decide to cut toxic people out of our lives forever. Let me explain.

We need to consistently make good decisions for ourselves. Sometimes -or many times- that means putting physical space between us and the person who's behaviour is unhealthy for us. If they change, we can have a relationship. If they don't, we need to continue to take care of ourselves.

We each have the right and responsibility to do what is good for ourselves - it is *our* job, and no one elses. Instead of blaming them for what they did/are doing to us, we need to realize that we have wronged ourselves (albeit innocently, until we know better) by allowing certain unhealthy patterns of interaction to continue. Its like being proactive vs. reacting to what the toxic person is trying to do to you.

I hope that makes sense. I am in this particular struggle right now. I guess the light bulb for me has been that I am responsible to change myself. Other people's stuff is other people's stuff - I don't need to carry it or worry about it. the sad truth is that it might cost some relationships, like my mom may never speak with me again. but that is her choice and her business.
post #13 of 14
Thread Starter 
chapulina: I get what you're saying. I agree. I had a friend once who was just emotionally draining, a couple of them actually and got to the point where I just quit returning thier calls, I had to. And its why I knew I had to put the 200 miles between me and my ex.

Just when I think my mom is horrible, she'll be really nice and supporting about something, I think if I just dont call her, then she calls me when she's in a good or decent mood, kwim? When I call her I take a chance of hitting a bad day or a bad mood.

I also know its partly my problem, I mean I shouldnt get sucked into a big argument (takes two to argue), I should just change the subject or flat out say, I dont want to discuss it or something like that.
post #14 of 14
I second the suggestion to find the book Toxic Parents by Susan Forward. It might also be helpful to do a little reading about borderline personality disorder - not saying your mom has it, but many people have some borderline tendencies and they are extremely difficult to be in relationship with. There are some good resources out there with ideas of how to handle people with these tendencies.
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