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post #1 of 28
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I'm having mixed feelings about a situation that occured a bit ago here. The neighbor girl came over and asked if my kids could play. They were in the middle of lunch but said they'd come over after they were done. A few minutes later they headed over. My dd (10) came back first a minute or so later saying that she walked into the middle of an arguement between my ds (6) and a boy that was now over at the neighbors house. Apparently he came over and then decided that my kids couldn't play because he and the neighbor girl were having a playdate. My ds came back upset and I told him, "well, it sounds like he doesn't want to share his time with *girl*." My ds said "but she invited us over!" I told him that in my mind a playdate was one where a few kids could get together and get along. He said "exactly!", which cracked me up. Anyhow, I told him he could go play over there later after the boy left. He went out into the yard to play. A few minutes later he came back inside crying. Apparently, the arguement continued after he went outside. Ds and neighbor girl both agree about the set of events that took place:

DS told the boy that maybe they could all play together and get along. Boy told ds no, that he couldn't come over and play. That he didn't want ds there. Ds, who is small and sensitive was upset, but kept trying to explain to the boy why they should all play together. Then the boy threw a handful of rocks at ds, which hit him in the face. Ds went up to the boy and said "I'm allowed to defend myself when someone is hurting me, so don't hurt me" and the boy (who is 9) started punching and kicking ds. Ds now has scratches on his face and red marks on his face from being punched.

I went out and talked to the little boy, who told me that he could do whatever he wanted. That my ds had no right to be over there, even though he was invited, and that they were having a playdate and my ds was interrupting it. He didn't care that he's much bigger than my ds or that he hurt him. He walked away as I was talking to him with his fingers in his ears yelling "la la la la la". None of this seemed abnormal, as I've seen perfectly "normal" 9yo boys act this way at times. I figured he was just a mean kid.

The neighbor girl went and got her mom while I was talking to the boy. She came out just after the boy walked away and explained to me that the boy has a disability and is often times mean but that she'll take him swimming at the local pool now. I guess assurring me that he won't be there to pick on my ds anymore.

Now, part of me wants to be understanding. The little boy has a disability of some sort, which I assume makes it difficult to control himself. He deserves some compassion.

The other part of me wants to go "so you're going to reward him for acting this way by taking him swimming???"

Having never been a parent of a child with disabilities, I am having a difficult time understanding why it's ok for him to hit my kid, fairly unprovoked, and with it going unpunished, and in turn, rewarded in a way. But, I also know that there are some cases where one must think "but what do I do? How do I discipline a kid who can't control his emotions?"

Someone help me to understand this, please?
post #2 of 28
The big missing piece of information here is, what kind of disability? Is it truly something where he can't control himself, or is he just allowed to get away with things that he COULD control because people feel sorry for him?

Without knowing that, there isn't much to say.

I'm really sorry your kids got involved in all that.
post #3 of 28
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Originally Posted by the sunshine
The big missing piece of information here is, what kind of disability? Is it truly something where he can't control himself, or is he just allowed to get away with things that he COULD control because people feel sorry for him?

Without knowing that, there isn't much to say.

I'm really sorry your kids got involved in all that.
I wondered that myself, but didn't want to ask what kind of disability it was because it's really none of my business, you know?
post #4 of 28
I think that if his disability is such that he can't be around other children without hurting them, he might need to be more closely supervised. I also agree it would depend on the type of disability and if it was truly a disability or just being used as an excuse for poor behavior. Some kids with disabilities don't understand the being rewarded for bad behavior you're describing. My ds1 doesn't really 'get' things (no cause/effect understanding). Of course, he's only 3, not 9, so I'm VERY careful about never letting him go- he'll bolt to the middle of the street with no notice, just doesn't understand danger.
post #5 of 28
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Originally Posted by shelbean91
Some kids with disabilities don't understand the being rewarded for bad behavior you're describing. My ds1 doesn't really 'get' things (no cause/effect understanding). Of course, he's only 3, not 9, so I'm VERY careful about never letting him go- he'll bolt to the middle of the street with no notice, just doesn't understand danger.
That makes sense.
post #6 of 28
It's not ok that he hit your son, btw, hope I wasn't sounding like that. Just trying to give an idea about your neighbors line of thinking. How is your son doing after all of this?
post #7 of 28
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Oh, I didn't think you meant it was ok that he hit my son He's doing ok. He talked to me about how he was feeling and then went and spent some time by himself. I think he's more upset that the kid wouldn't talk to him and come up with a solution. He doesn't quite understand that some people, especially children, don't want to talk things over so I think he antagonizes certain situations. For instance, he could have just left this one alone in the beginning and none of it would have happened, but he wanted to come up with a solution that worked for everyone. I'm proud of him, but I also feel like he should have left well enough alone.
post #8 of 28
Oh good take him to the pool where he can beat up more kids that are smaller than he is.
post #9 of 28
I may be considered a but I would have been calling the cops and letting them deal with it if a mother acted like that after her child attacked mine like that. Just claiming he has a disability doesn't cut it, you'd better be explaining to me what is and why were you not here watching him if you knew he was violent?
post #10 of 28
Was the neighbor watching him (as in babysitting) or is that also her child?
post #11 of 28
Thread Starter 
He's not her child. He told me that they were having a playdate, I assume from the mom, since she was taking him to the pool, that she must have been watching him. His mom wasn't there.

I am rather pissed that he's been known to be violent yet he wasn't being supervised. Neighbor girls mom said "oh, he was being so good today". The little girl appologized that my son got hurt and called the other boy "crazy in the head" when I saw her this evening and said "he does stuff like that all the time."
post #12 of 28
If he does have a disability that makes him act like that, my guess is the neighbor just doesn't know how to deal and his mom would probably be upset to hear about the interaction, esp that he wasn't being supervised.

Why did the neighbor girl invite your kids over if she already had a playdate? Was she trying to get everyone to play together?

It's sounds like a pretty sucky situation.
post #13 of 28
Thread Starter 
I'm not sure. I think maybe she invited my kids over and then when they couldn't come right away she asked another neighbor (and his mom may have refered to it as a playdate?)
post #14 of 28
I wouldn't want my kids around him again. Call me overprotective, but my kids are not punching bags. I wouldn't let my kids go over there if that boy were there.

There's really nothing you can do about other people's poor parenting or their kids' disabilities. All you can do is not let it happen again. I don't think there is any thing more to understand.
post #15 of 28
Sounds to me like the disability is being compounded by the child not being taught how to treat others or supervised in such if he is truly incapable.

Making excuses for his bad behavior won't change it or make his life any better when he gets older.
post #16 of 28

Mean kids?

Do we know what the disability is? Unfortunately disabled or handicapped people are horribly stereotyped as being mean. It doesn't mean that we are, but we get alot of that. I was born with a phsysical disability, Spina Bifida, and was often characterized as being mean. I am in no way saying that any child should get hurt of bullied or pushed around, but I think you need to look at the situation again. Maybe this child really does have a disability that impairs their judgement.
post #17 of 28
My ds is high functioning autistic and has a several year delay in social skills. Sometimes he's the mean kid.

When he's at home playing with friends or dd he's well supervised.

When he goes to anyone else's house to play I make sure to meet the adult face to face, let them know about what may be a problem and to feel free to call me *anytime* if they run into something they aren't sure how to handle. Even if it's just a "by the way, ds has taken to tossing sticks, we've been working on that but you might want to keep an eye out." That way there is always someone knowledgeable of his strengths and limitations and everyone, including ds, is safe. He gets his social skills (playtime) in a safe and welcoming environment- because everyone knows what is going on. I'm pretty familiar with all the parents in the neighborhood and they *all* know about ds. All bases are covered.

I can't imagine leaving my ds at a neighbors without letting them know about his needs.

The child in the OP definitely sounds like he would do well with more supervision.
post #18 of 28
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Originally Posted by snyderjoint
Do we know what the disability is? Unfortunately disabled or handicapped people are horribly stereotyped as being mean. It doesn't mean that we are, but we get alot of that. I was born with a phsysical disability, Spina Bifida, and was often characterized as being mean. I am in no way saying that any child should get hurt of bullied or pushed around, but I think you need to look at the situation again. Maybe this child really does have a disability that impairs their judgement.
I'm fully willing to accept that he has a disability. That he really can't control his emotions. I think I stated so in the OP. My question was am I wrong in thinking that he shouldn't be "rewarded" afterwards. I also think that he should have been better supervised if the adults in charge were aware that he's known to act out like this.

I have no ill will towards any kid, especially one with a disability, but like any kid there are certain situations where they need to be well supervised. My sons feelings were hurt more than anything, but this kid is much bigger than my son. He could have really hurt him physically, and then where would we be?

Losgann, I appreciate what you're saying. I do think that in a situation such as you described, it goes a long way in talking to the neighbors. I'd be more than willing to have a child like yours at my house playing with my kids if I knew what his limitations were, what his breaking/stress point may be, and how to help/avoid such situations.
post #19 of 28
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Originally Posted by wende
My question was am I wrong in thinking that he shouldn't be "rewarded" afterwards.
Maybe he wasn't being "rewarded". Maybe she was taking him somewhere else to get him away from your son. Maybe he does really well at the pool. Maybe they had been planning a pool trip already. Maybe the little boy does not perceive the pool as the happy result of being mean.

I think the reward-punishment mindset can get in the way of understanding situations.
post #20 of 28
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Originally Posted by Satori
I may be considered a but I would have been calling the cops and letting them deal with it if a mother acted like that after her child attacked mine like that. Just claiming he has a disability doesn't cut it, you'd better be explaining to me what is and why were you not here watching him if you knew he was violent?

I agree. I have a child who is mildly autistic and sometimes will hit other kids in frustration. He has to be supervised closely, and yes, we are teaching him that hitting is NOT acceptible. I would also call the law and report to CPS. This is just plain wrong that he is allowed to act like this without any discipline or consequences.
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