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I've heard this a lot, unfortunately, as an argument for not using anesthesia for RIC. My first sOB told me that since babies manage to handle the pain of being born, they can certainly handle being circ'd. (Thank God I had a girl first.) Since then I've thought of all the ways in which this is so wrong. Here are a few:

1) Who knows? Maybe birth IS painful. It's not like we can have a conversation with them about it right after.

2) Maybe birth ISN'T painful because of the endorphins flowing through the mother's body (endorphins which we interrupt when we don't go natural, btw.)

3) REGARDLESS of whether or not birth is painful, that's JUST NO EXCUSE for RIC and RIC without anesthesia!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
post #2 of 6
First, birth can be painful for the newborn, what a headache some of them must have. And, circ is SO painful to them that some babies go into a shock like semi-coma for days and occasionally weeks.
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Originally Posted by fourgrtkidos
First, birth can be painful for the newborn, what a headache some of them must have. And, circ is SO painful to them that some babies go into a shock like semi-coma for days and occasionally weeks.

I completely agree. I'm just so tired of the argument I hear from people that they must not feel pain as a newborn!!
post #4 of 6
Can I just point out the obvious argument here?

Birth is natural. It happens to us all. If there wasn't a way that we naturally coped with it, we would all be walking around having major psychological problems now, wouldn't we?

Circ'ing isn't natural by any means. So to compare the two is ridiculous, IMO.
post #5 of 6
...it reminds me of how slave owners used to say slavery was ok because "negros don't have souls".
The creative ability of humans to rationalize cruelty in spite of what's obvious is truely astounding....
post #6 of 6
The assertion that a child doesn't feel his flesh being crushed and cut is simply a deception by the medical industry to deceive parents to consent to the procedure.

This may have had some utility a hundred years ago when they sincerely thought there were some benefits to be gained from circumcision but those days are long gone. At that time, there weren't any safe methods to relieve the pain. Many procedures were done without any pain relief even to adults. It made some sense that if there were all of these amazing benefits, to do it to newborns because when an adult considered the pain and the fact that he had no problems *yet* with his foreskin, he was very unlikely to consent to the pain to have it done later. However, that changed long, long ago. Yet, the medical profession found the profits and also found that administering the anesthesia cut into those profits because it took longer. They simply couldn't do as many or sleep in as long in the mornings if they had to take the extra time for the anesthesia.

If doctors told parents that cutting off the foreskin was just as painful or more painful as cutting off a piece of skin the size of the child's hand anywhere else on the body, the vast majority of parents would decline the procedure. They would clearly relate to the quantity of pain and would consider if they would want to endure that level of pain themselves.

It makes absolutely no sense that this one part of the human body would be immune from pain any more than any other part of the body would be immune from pain. All areas of the body are exquisitely sensitive to pain. This is a defense mechanism. Pain tells us that we are causing injury to our bodies and that we need to stop doing what ever it is that we are doing for our own self preservation. Even a newborn will withdraw from a painful sensation. That reaction is there from before birth.

I saw a TV show once about a child who did not have these pain responses. Because of this, the child repeatedly injured itself. It would touch the same hot stove or heater over and over again. It would chew it's fingernails to the point of being bloody and the fingertips were missing to one degree or another. This is what would happen if a child didn't have feelings in the foreskin.



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