Penn and Teller doesn't always work

[Kathryn]

I am a nanny for a little 16 month old boy who is circumcised. I started watching him a month ago. His mom was pregnant with another boy so I only had a month to try and get my info in. She knew from converstation that I knew a lot about circumcision and the intact penis so she asked me why her son doesn't look circ'd. I explained the whole burried penis thing (and my god, does he have it too, the worst I've ever seen. By looking at him he looks like his penis is only like 1/8" long at best) and offered to bring the DVD. She said she would love to see it, watched it, and was disgusted. She had lots of questions and I answered them all. She said she was going to show her husband so that he would decide not to circ like she didn't want to anymore.
He wouldn't even watch it He told her she was stupid for even bringing it up and that he doesn't even know why she would think about questioning it. I tried to tell her that he will come around eventually if she doesn't do it and he will eventually be glad.
BUT...
it didn't work. I could tell by looking at her eyes that she knew she was going to let another beautiful perfect child of hers be put through torture and mutilation for no good reason at all. I took almost two weeks off after she had her baby (she had him on the 28th, I go back next monday) because I didn't want to have to see his penis all bloody.
*sigh* I was so excited because she was so interested in not doing it and she was appalled by the procedure. I have lost tons of respect for her and I will just do my job and no more until my last day.

[Quirky]

There are none so blind as those who will not see....

I am so sorry, for those little boys and for you! And for that mama, married to an of a husband. At least you tried.

ETA: And I don't think Penn and Teller is appropriate for every situation. For example, a friend of my sister's, who had a baby boy....I thought about sending them the video but they're Xtian and quite conservative and I think it would have totally turned them off with the profanity and the sex jokes. (They circed anyway even though my sister gave them LOTS of info and talked directly to them. )

[Kathryn]

I agree with the P & T not being good for every person. But it was perfect for the person I showed it to. She loves P & T and used to watch the show all the time. *sigh* Stupid husband. She tried to tell me that she was leaving it up to him because he was the one with the penis and I pointed out that she was the only one intact and she just got quiet and didn't say anything else about it.

[ChelseaG]

where can I get a copy?

Hi, I know I am late to the game, but I don't have showtime - how can I get a copy of this? I know some of you have mentioned copies, can I pay someone to make me a copy DVD or VHS and send it to me? I am a month away from my first baby and we don't know if it is a boy or girl, but if it is a boy I only have 4 weeks left to convince hubby not to circ! Yikes! Please PM me if you can help me out! Thanks!

[PuppyFluffer]

I am so sorry your information couldn't override her compliance with her husband's ignorant desire to sexually mutilate their child.

Is this an issue that you would end your employment with them over?

[Quirky]

Chelsea, I know people have copies floating around, but you might want to post a new thread asking or look through the threads that have already been posted.

You might also want to reconsider your approach. Make the default "no circumcision - all babies get to keep all the parts they were born with" unless and until your dh does the research and finds a damn good reason to circ (i.e. medical benefits as proved by peer-reviewed studies). Don't worry, he won't find them. "Wanting to look like daddy" doesn't count because your son's penis won't look like daddy's (i.e. big and hairy) for YEARS anyway by which point the last thing your son would want would be to SEE Daddy's.

In other words, you don't have to convince your dh - he has to convince you. Because you wouldn't circ a girl, so why should your boy deserve any less protection?

Stay strong, mama - remember, you have to sign that consent form, and if you don't sign, baby stays whole!

[Kathryn]

Originally Posted by PuppyFluffer

I am so sorry your information couldn't override her compliance with her husband's ignorant desire to sexually mutilate their child.

Is this an issue that you would end your employment with them over?

I think it will actually.

[MonicaS]

Kathryn, that is almost exactly how it went w/ my Dh's cousin. They were having baby #2, she didn't want to do it. We discussed it at length, looked at all the info, and she did NOT want it done. She got the baby to 12 days old(last time I saw him intact, I was too sad to ask about it after that day since she said they were still arguing about it daily), but her DH kept arguing w/ her about it. Eventually, he got his way. As soon as I saw his poor little, circ'd penis 2 mos later, I couldn't stand to be around her. I have ZERO respect for her. "Protect your child for goodness sake!" I will still be civil to her, but I refuse to be in the same room as her DH.