bummed out by the banner - Page 2

[its_our_family]

Originally Posted by annettemarie

Cynthia, I understand that MDC is bounc to honor a contract.

Yup, me too. Are there any guidelines for advertisers or is it just pay the fee??

[Satori]

Originally Posted by Cynthia Mosher

In response to concerns about the review, we communicated with the owner who feels that there are many other positive things that the site has to offer. We're under contract with her for one month and will honor that contract.

Then perhaps future contracts need to be changed to state that if there site is found not be in alignment with Mothering.com the contract is null and void and spell out what type of content is NOT permitted.

[sistermama]

Originally Posted by Satori

Then perhaps future contracts need to be changed to state that if there site is found not be in alignment with Mothering.com the contract is null and void and spell out what type of content is NOT permitted.

Good idea.

[DaryLLL]

I cna't believe mdc accepted an ad for this I am stunned and ashamed. Right on the homepage, big article:

Joy of Training, The
Michael and Debi Pearl in Seminar


What do I do when my child throws a fit? How old should my child be when I start training him? How can I have peace in my home and homeschool? Should I allow my child to associate with non-Christians? What happens when I discipline in anger? Can there really be joy in child training?

How would you like to have homeschooling's foremost experts in child training, Michael and Debi Pearl, in your very own living room answering these questions and many more, plus sharing stories and insights on how they trained their children and how you can better train yours?

Um. No thanks?

[annettemarie]

I realize this might seem like a far-out suggestion, but given they are quoting THE PEARLS on their main page, couldn't Mothering consider giving them their money back? I have Paypal. I would help pay to replace the income this would have generated.

[annettemarie]

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Email address to send letters.

[amydidit]

Originally Posted by annettemarie

I realize this might seem like a far-out suggestion, but given they are quoting THE PEARLS on their main page, couldn't Mothering consider giving them their money back? I have Paypal. I would help pay to replace the income this would have generated.

I'd help too... that is just sick.

[bleurae]

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[kiahnsmum]

Originally Posted by Calidris

Well, why spank when you can spin?

I dont get it :

I am watching this threadwith interest, when i have clicked on a banner ad and been on to the websites advertised i usually get the impression that the advertisers are involved somehow in the NFL/AP lifestyle, so im wondering how these people came to think MDC was a suitable place to put their banner ad.

[Satori]

Originally Posted by kiahnsmum

I dont get it :

I am watching this threadwith interest, when i have clicked on a banner ad and been on to the websites advertised i usually get the impression that the advertisers are involved somehow in the NFL/AP lifestyle, so im wondering how these people came to think MDC was a suitable place to put their banner ad.

I dont get the spinning thing either. Anyway, i'm guessing they placed the ad because were a rather large home schooling community.

[elyice]

I found this the pearls
It sucked me into the begining, I was nodding my head. Then they started comparing children to animals and explaining the story o the father that spanked his 1 year old 15 times to save his soul.
Oh my word. very scary stuff.

[IdentityCrisisMama]

Originally Posted by Satori

I dont get the spinning thing either. Anyway, i'm guessing they placed the ad because were a rather large home schooling community.

Why Spank When You Can Spin was another banner ad from a while back. It was a sort of random discipline game that you could play with kids. The idea was that you would spin for arbitrary punishments instead of spanking, I guess. The other issue was that the ad kind of joked about or trivialized spanking in a way. At least that was my take on things.

It’s relevant because it was a similar issue as this ad because there was a contract and it was allowed to run out before removing the ad.

IMO, this School House thing with direct links to spanking AND completely age inappropriate advice is far worse than Why Spank When You Can Spin. I don’t see how we can advertise for something that is not allowed (and rightly so!) to be suggested in the GD forum.



Interestingly enough, I went to the School House site and checked around. Under their statement of purpose they talk about only accepting advertisement that is consistent with their values. At least they got that right. I wonder though, if the people they advertise with must be consistent with their values. I think they would understand if MDC simply asked to be relieved of the contract.


And, yes, I also assumed that the companies that were advertised for here at MDC were somehow AP/NFL “approved”.

[nannymom]

Originally Posted by wende

So if a formula company wanted to advertise here it would be ok just so long as they paid for their ad and included "many other positive things"? Capitalism at it's finest. :Puke

I understand that there must be some legalities behind the contract so that you are unable to just cancel it, but does nobody check out the websites of those wanting to put up banners here before hand???

[annettemarie]

Originally Posted by elyice

I found this the pearls
It sucked me into the begining, I was nodding my head. Then they started comparing children to animals and explaining the story o the father that spanked his 1 year old 15 times to save his soul.
Oh my word. very scary stuff.

This is exactly what scares the crap out of me. Someone clicks on the ad, reads about the Pearls, decides to read more about the Pearls, next thing you know they're pushing the baby in the pond and forcing the two-year-old to smile. It's scary stuff.

And it is enticing. Who doesn't want good, well-behaved "godly" children?

[meowee]

I think there is a lot of good info on that website that is not related to discipline. I don't think any mother here is so dumb that with one click on a banner ad her whole view of raising her children will change and she'll start spanking her kids. We have the ability to glean, mentally, the good from the bad.

They also have a cool homeschool blogging website, www.homeschoolblogger.com

[annettemarie]

Originally Posted by meowee

I think there is a lot of good info on that website that is not related to discipline. I don't think any mother here is so dumb that with one click on a banner ad her whole view of raising her children will change and she'll start spanking her kids. We have the ability to glean, mentally, the good from the bad.

They also have a cool homeschool blogging website, www.homeschoolblogger.com

Wow. I totally and respectfully disagree. A lot of people have been sucked in by the Pearls, and MDC has a no-tolerance policy for spanking. I don't think it's a question of "dumb" necesarily, as much as "impressionable." If I wanted links that led to suggestions that I smack my children around, I would visit a mainstream site.

[meowee]

I can understand your passion about this, but coming at this as a homeschooler, I've learned that there is a HUGE amount of super-conservative-Christian homeschool information out there. I've learned to shrug it off and pick the good from the bad. You just can't avoid coming across it.

I don't see much difference between assuming someone is so impressionable that their life will be changed by a banner ad, and assuming they are dumb.

So does it go against MDC policy to mention this website on the homeschool forum? B/c I posted a thread about the homeschoolblogger site a while back.

[annettemarie]

Originally Posted by meowee

I can understand your passion about this, but coming at this as a homeschooler, I've learned that there is a HUGE amount of super-conservative-Christian homeschool information out there. I've learned to shrug it off and pick the good from the bad. You just can't avoid coming across it.

There is a lot of information out there, and much of the homeschooling info is from ultra-conservative Christian sources, but that doesn't mean it should be ADVERTISED here. Advertising implies tacit approval by Mothering. Plus, isn't the whole purpose of advertising to persuade? They didn't buy a banner ad because they wanted to share some free homeschooling info; they bought a banner ad because they wanted to persuade people to buy their magazine and other materials that push their way of thinking.

I don't see much difference between assuming someone is so impressionable that their life will be changed by a banner ad, and assuming they are dumb.

Huh. Not quite sure what to say to that. My children are very impressionable, but I don't consider them dumb. I consider myself to be very intelligent, and yet, if I am hit with an idea at the right time, can certainly be swayed by a persuasive argument.

So does it go against MDC policy to mention this website on the homeschool forum? B/c I posted a thread about the homeschoolblogger site a while back.

You weren't advertising it. This thread is about advertising.

[DaryLLL]

Originally Posted by meowee

I can understand your passion about this, but coming at this as a homeschooler, I've learned that there is a HUGE amount of super-conservative-Christian homeschool information out there. I've learned to shrug it off and pick the good from the bad. You just can't avoid coming across it.

Well, hopefully one should be able to avoid it at a site (this one, mdc) which purports to be against authoritarian style parenting and physical abuse ("spanking") of kids.

That said, no matter how many times I changes pages, I do not see that ad up top. Is it gone? I hope so!

[nannymom]

The more time I spent researching that website and the No Greater Joy web site the more disturbed I became with this ad being placed here. There is so much we can not discuss at MDC because our children might be reading the boards, might they not also click the ads? I would never want my child to read the teachings of this ministry which I beleive boarder on physical and masochistic child abuse. Why does Mothering have this double standard when it comes to graphic and deplorable advertising? Why does mothering refuse to take a stand against such things? The only thing I can think of is b/c ads provide money and while I understand mothering is ultimatly a buisness I refuse to beleive there are not more apropriate sponsors who would like to run ads here.