Well, we're trying, but.....

[bdavis337]

...I'm frustrated. Marky now fusses, cries and kicks for about 5 minutes before he pees, almost without fail. So I know almost without a doubt when he needs to go!! But no matter what, he hasn't yet peed in the potty. I hold him over the toilet when he starts to fuss, we've stayed there as long as 5 minutes before, but only as long as he'll tolerate before he gets mad about being held over the toilet! He wets about 1 minute after we give up, either in his diaper or onto the wetpad where he's having his "free time". He also hates to be wet, so he fusses again after a few minutes until I change him. Overall he just dislikes the whole elimination process! :

So what should I do? Do I need to try a BBLP and see if that's more comfortable for him? Should I hold him over the toilet longer, no matter how angry he gets? I know this can work since his cues are now so obvious, but I'm not sure how to make it happen...........

[rumi]

trust that he is observing all this as keenly as you, and seeking a solution as sincerely as you are. communicate. hear his anger. try to understand

and try the bblp. or try later.

s to you mama!

[Persephone]

He's around 2 months, right? Maybe he doesn't like dangling in midair. Why not try a lil bowl or something while he's sitting on your lap? You could make it not cold and hard with a towel around his bum, and see how he feels about that. Or have you tried the sink? Maybe he'd get a kick out of looking at himself in the mirror. At least it might distract him from fussing. ("Oh, who is that angry red baby looking back at me? Oh hey, he moves when I do!")

[bdavis337]

Yeah, we're trying over the sink as well as the toilet sometimes. He stares at himself, but isn't all that interested really in looking at things yet. I'm wondering why, b/c he's 8 weeks tomorrow, but that's another post for another forum... I ordered a little potty from the ecstore.com today, hopefully using that will make a difference. But I hadn't thought of a bowl while on my lap, hmmm that could be messy, but it might work!

[distewar]

Life got much easier for me once I was started using the BBLP with my son. He was not a fan of dangling.

Have you established the visual or sound cues when he does pee - wherever he does it? All you do is a make a sound as soon as you know he is peeing. Then when you get him on the potty, you make the same sound so he has an idea of what you are asking of him.

[bdavis337]

NO, I haven't been doing that. Makes sense though - I'll have to start! Another thing that's hindering us (IMO) is that he still sleeps so much of the day. He's a terribly heavy wetter and I have him in Fuzzi Bunz most of the time, but he does the majority of his tinkling while he's asleep. The FB's keep him relatively dry (which I WANT, b/c if he's wet, he wakes up and we end up with an overtired, cranky, inconsolable baby!). So the only tinkles I can catch are the 2 he has about 15 minutes after he eats.

[mama_mojo]

Cuing should definitely help. also, fwiw, Sylvie got mad sometimes when we would try to potty her, especially early on. I wondered if I was doing something wrong and I would tell her she might certainly just pee in her diaper and I would change her, but she so obviously did not want to wet herself. So, we would only try until she thrust her legs, then we immediately stopped. After a short time (a minute or two) maybe even just pacing by the potty bowl or bathroom sink, we would cue her again. Another thing we did was lay a diaper in our laps and cue her kind of sitting on the diaper in a deep squat. Also, I tried nursing and cuing, but she never does pee or poo as she sucks, she ALWAYS stops sucking, and the contortions necessary to nurse her over her potty bowl were just not worth it. Sometimes I left her bottom bare and just prepared to get peed on by having some padding between us, then I would just cue her as she peed.

Last tip- It got MUCH easier around ten weeks. So much so that I might not start ec until then if we have another baby.

[Marciboo]

my son is just 6 weeks. The first day I tryed to ec, he was 7 days old. I noticed that he pooped one min. after he peed. I caught 5 poops the first day! But then we had him circumcized the next day, and I had no success with ec for a few weeks. I tied again when he was 4 weeks and noticed his squirming before he had to go. Sometimes he ques to me, I take him and nothing happens. I wait and wait. then I put his diaper back on. He might do this one or two times. I take hi, and nothing. Then I forget to notice his next que and he will go in his diaper. I have noticed that he looks at me squar in the eyes, without squirming and I just know. Makes me go Wow!

[abunchofus]

Hey ladies - ok please someone teach me how to start this - my ds is 2 1/2 months now - I honestly have no idea when he pees - he is wearing fuzzibunz right now -but I'm extremely intersted in trying to learn ec - help someone - please?

[Persephone]

Christi, start by taking note of when he goes. Common times are first thing in the morning, or right after a nurse. Once you find out his rhythm, then you can get him to the potty at that time. Then you can signal him to go. Regardless of where he goes, signal him when you notice him peeing so that he makes the connection between the feeling of eliminating and the sound you make. (I plan to just say "peepee" but some people make the "pssss" sound.)

[abunchofus]

do you just leave your baby nakes while you nurse in order to find out?

[Persephone]

I've heard you can leave a bowl under your baby's naked bum while nursing to find out. At 2 months, that should be doable. Keep in mind, my info is from research, not from experience. Have to wait a few more months for that.

[mama_mojo]

For a two month old, I would keep baby naked as much as I was comfortable. Put a folded up receiving blanket or a couple of prefolds in your lap to catch misses. I noticed Sylvie's cues much more easily at first when there was a chance I would get peed on. AND I did get peed on, but you will get better and so will baby.

[bdavis337]

Yep! I'm keeping Mark naked except for a snappied prefold when he eats, that way I can tell immediately when he wets. It's just pee, it won't hurt anything and it helped me learn which squirm means PEE NOW MOMMY! I've also learned that about 75% of his between feeding crying is actually pee related, so I've had to start responding to him every single time he fusses. Labor intensive to be sure, but it really pays off. Spend a day with the baby naked, it will really make you aware of how they signal their pees and poops.

[mama_mojo]

FWIW- Sylvie began to pee less frequently around 12 weeks, maybe earlier. Now it's about once an hour, except first thing in the morning when she pees 3 or 4 times in the first hour, and in the evening when she only pees every few hours.

Yea you!