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post #81 of 89
If you think about it, having cats, and to some extent, dogs as housepets is not "Natural". In the average household environment most cats are not able to engage in their natural behaviors. They can't roam, they can't predate, they can't properly mark their territory. Dogs and humans have coevolved so they are used to being domesticated but many dogs are living very unnatural lives. Ie. living in an apartment where their people are gone all day, limited exercise, limited social contact. I would argue that the way many people have pets is actually not very natural in terms of what the pet has to do in order to assimilater him or herself into the family.

Something to think about. Is having pets NFL? I know since having kids, my cats have enjoyed less attention from us, I have questioned many times whether their lives are enriched as a result of living with us. I am fortunate that they have forgiving personalities and have adapted to our family situation. But I know their lives in my urban environment are nothing like what IMO they should be.
post #82 of 89
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Originally Posted by Naughty Dingo
I would argue that the way many people have pets is actually not very natural in terms of what the pet has to do in order to assimilater him or herself into the family.
I agree. I have thought this sometimes myself. I also agree that circ and neuter are two completely different deals. Neuter is not cosmetic. Now, you could legitimately make that comparison w/circ if you were talking ear or tail docking, I think.
post #83 of 89
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Originally Posted by Arduinna
Heartworm is a parasitic disease, there is no vax against it. There is preventative which is monthly and given orally. But technically I wouldn't call it a vax. Just as I wouldn't call flea prevention a vax nor worming. No one here that I'm aware of is including flea or heartworm preventative in the discussion of over vaxing.

The issue of excessive vaxing is applicable to rabies, distempter and all the other routine vaccinations that are arbitrarily given boosters every 1-3 years when there is no scientific evidence that they need to be repeated that often. People are putting their pets health at risk for no reason.
Actually there is a heartworm vaccine now, and its being linked to increase ITP in dogs that get it.
http://forums.petlovers.com/vb/archi...hp/t-1615.html
(quoting whats there)
I came across a veterinary jouranl article, whose author wrote of a potential dangerous condition that may be associated with the 6 month heartworm vaccine. There have been incidents of immune mediated thrombocytopenia (ITP) associated with the administration of the 6 month heartworm vaccine. ITP is a condition where the body's own immune system targets its own platelets for destruction and removal. Platelets are very small blood cells that form the intial clot that plugs any broken vessel to stop bleeding. Without them, the dog is very susceptable to severe bleeding from the mildest of injuries.

WHile the link has not yet been conclusively established, I still recommend not using this vaccine. I have not personally used the vaccine on my patients. It is my policy when something first comes out to wait and see how other veterinarians' patients fair with it. Looks like it may have paid off in this case.

My favorite heartworm prducts are heartguard or interceptor. While these products are time proven to be very safe, never use them without the guidance of a vet.

Wishing good health to all your dogs!

Roger L. Welton, DVM
Veterinarian, Webmaster http://www.askdvm.com

Interestingly, heres a site with some natural ideas about dog health, and in particular natural remedies for heartworms.
http://myaccount.home.mindspring.com/HeartwormFAQ.htm
post #84 of 89
I haven't heard of a HW vaccine. There is an injectible heartworm preventive product (ProHeart6) that has 6 month coverage that has recently been shown to have some dangerous side effects. Many people have stopped treating with this drug. This product is an antiparasitic, not a vaccine. Could this be the product your article discusses?
post #85 of 89
i work/volunteer with a Cat Rescue and one of my fosters is taking up a permanent residence in our home... and the rules are we fix and dont declaw..

declawing is mean.. excuse me while i rip part of ur first joint off.. it can cause soo much damage and it hurts soo bad...

and yes i do get animals from the shelter... they are the best kind...
post #86 of 89
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Originally Posted by Naughty Dingo
I haven't heard of a HW vaccine. There is an injectible heartworm preventive product (ProHeart6) that has 6 month coverage that has recently been shown to have some dangerous side effects. Many people have stopped treating with this drug. This product is an antiparasitic, not a vaccine. Could this be the product your article discusses?
I believe that is the product. The vet quoted called it a vaccine, which is why I did too. I'm not sure I understand the difference between "an injectible preventive product" and a vaccine.
post #87 of 89
I think the usual definition of a vaccine is an anitgen that stimulates antibodies to provide immunity. Antiparasitics do not work in the body the same way, so they are generally not considered vaccines.

I'm sure that the vets here can probably explain better though.
post #88 of 89

Dog Vasectomy Shot

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Originally Posted by Arduinna
I remember a thread year a few years ago where someone wanted to get their pet ( dog I believe) a vasectomy instead of a neuter and the vet wanted to charge them like 600 dollars I believe. I may be wrong on the feee, but I remember it was easily 5x the cost of a neuter.
There is a product called Neutersol that is injected. The dogs keep their testes (and their hormones), but are sterile. It's quick and cheap.
post #89 of 89
Perhaps we should have a thread called "cats and dogs TTC"!
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