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post #1 of 12
Thread Starter 
Have any of you read the "Radical Honesty" books?

There is a new one, "Radical Parenting". It was given to me today, and I was hoping to have a discussion about it as I go along.
post #2 of 12
I haven't heard anything about these. What's the premise?
post #3 of 12
Hmmm, Radical Parenting. Sounds familiar. Who wrote it? What are it's tenants?

Heartmama
post #4 of 12
Thread Starter 
Sorry for the delay, the holidays, you know!

The books were written by Brad Blanton. He is a psychotherapist. The premise appears to be that people lie, every day, for a variety of reasons, ("Your hair looks great!", "No, honey, ĂŤ don't mind if you go have a nap.") and that the stress that creates makes us sick and unhappy.

There's a lot more to it, obviously, but I don't know what's ok to quote and what's not.

He has a web site, radicalhonesty.com.

I got the book, "Radical Parenting" because I had a not very good encounter with his child. Without meaning to, I upset him, and I told Brad about it so that if his son needed help with what had happened, he would have some understanding, and wouldn't be left floundering.

Here was the incident:

Maeve is 9. She had long hair, down to the middle of her back. I have given her every tool I could think of to enable her to care for her hair by herself. Combs, brushes, making sure she knew how to comb it, detanglers, good conditioner, braiding it at night, ample time to get it brushed, etc. She was not taking this responsibility on. She would rather let her hair become a rat's nest.

I told her that if she did not take on this responsibility, and kept giving it back to me by default, she would have to have her hair cut. Repeatedly. We had words *daily* about her unwillingness to do this task.

I had mixed feelings about this. Here I am telling her that her body is hers, she has the right to say "no" to anyone, but then I completely abrogated that by telling her I had the right to make her get her hair cut.

Then there is the whole concept of me putting my expectations on her. Who am I to tell her she *has* to comb her hair?

Then there was the knee jerk, "My kid isn't going out looking like an orphan" reaction.

Then there is the whole "Hey, I said I was going to do it, if I do not follow through, she's going to see this as an inconsistency" deal, which is more important than you might think cause Maeve is hitting the smart ass stage pretty early.

So, in the end, after much agonizing and soul searching, we went down and got her hair cut. She cried the whole time. I cried the whole time. By the time we got home she told me she really liked it. (And she did, I could tell, it wasn't just trying to make it ok.)

She was, however, nervous about her friend's reactions, and the next time we saw them as a group, Brad's child said, "Your hair looks terrible." Maeve burst into tears.

I took the child aside and said, "I hope you didn't intend that to be mean. It made Maeve very sad. I would appreciate it if you could go in and try to help her feel better, because even if you don't like it, it still isn't nice to say something that hurts someone's feelings if you can help it."

Well, the kid burst into tears. I felt like doggydoo. I tried to ease the child through it but s/he's the kind of child that seems to process this stuff best if left alone, so I did that.

Anyway, I stopped Brad and told him what had happened so he could do whatever he would to help his child.

Brad focused on the issues involved on my decision to get her hair cut in the first place. In a way, very cool, I'm not the only freak out there that mentally masturbates my parenting to death. In a way, not so cool, I don't know him that well and I'd already done all my mental wankering, thankyouverymuch.

Anyway, the next time we saw them, he handed me this book, the parenting one. I'm glad to have it, who isn't happy to have a chance to better their skills, but slightly peeved that he obviously thinks I handled the whole thing badly, (and more peeved that I know I probably DID.)

I felt it would be beneficial to have other parenting freaks (and I mean this in the nicest possible way) read through it with me, because at this point I feel sorta negative about it and I am afraid I'd be missing good things in it without someone else pointing them out.

Whew.
post #5 of 12
I will admit that I've never been a big fan of radical honesty when it comes to personal appearance issues. I guess because I feel like a lot of it is civility, and I don't like when people strip it away to be brutally honest.

I think that if Brad is raising his child to be completely honest, and the child hurts your child's feelings, then you hurt his feelings by telling him what he has done, that's just the natural consequence of being raised that way. Sorry, not the best formed sentence in the world, but it sounds like you were honest with the child.

If someone is going to "be honest" with me and make an unsolicited, "Gee, your hair looks terrible" comment, I'm going to be honest back and say, "That wasn't very nice, why do you feel the need to hurt my feelings?" I think what happens in my life usually is that if I don't really like something, I don't say anything about it. Sometimes I am asked point blank, and I will say something like, "Well, I really liked your hairstyle before, but this one is really neat too." And then I find just by making that comment, I actually start considering the new hairstyle in a different light.

Anyway, it sounds like you thought of all the different aspects of having your daughter's hair cut, and I think Brad focusing on your issues with the haircut have nothing to do with what happened with his son. I'd probably be a bit annoyed of the focus of the issue had been deflected like that, with the attention given to something else entirely.
post #6 of 12
Well, first off, know your daughter isn't the only kid to have her hair cut for this reason. When I was a kid, my neighbor, she had long hair that her parents let her deal with. She was about 9 too. They asked her to brush it and she never would. This went on for about a year. Seriously, she never brushed it.

It became a huge, matted, horrid mess. Eventually she decided to brush it out, and her mom literally could not untangle it. They were both almost in tears. They had to cut her hair, because it was too far gone to untangle.

So IMO this is a health issue. It is hard to rinse matted up hair, soap sticks to it, and so does lint etc. and that is pretty nasty. If you let it go too long, you can't fix it.

I'm not saying it is BEST to make a kid cut their hair, but sometimes kids put us in these positions that are very, very hard to solve, and we can't beat ourselves up over it. After all, your dd was immediately happy. Sometimes kids act irrationally because they want us to "be the mommy" and make a choice they personally feel they can't make. I do think that happens.

As far as your Radical Honesty friend, I haven't read the book, but the incident you described, IMO, he handled wrong.

It is irrelevent why your dd's hair was cut. Was this man's child privy to that information BEFORE he said something to your dd? Now, I could see, if your dd HATED her hair, and dd told the kid that, that kid might say "It looks terrible" hoping she wanted to hear that.

But if your dd liked her hair, and this kid just walks in and says "You look terrible", that isn't honestly. That is self centeredness.

Did dd ask his opinion? If she did, then okay, his response might be described as "radical honestly". But giving people unsolicited comments is not honesty, it is manipulative, self centered thinking.

Just because we have an opinion doesn't mean we are basing it on our honest feelings. We could think someone was ugly because really, we are jealous of their job. We as individuals are not always entirely honest with ourselves, nevermind other people.

To tell a kid "whatever you think, say it" is so crippling, because that kid isn't respecting the feelings of others. Do other people's opinions matter when it comes to what they think of themselves?

If you know a person thinks their hair looks great, it is their hair, and that opinion should carry more weight to us that what we, personally, think about it. We might hate it, but how can we KNOW that is the honest truth either...isn't it just our own opinion of what is true? How could we know best about something like this?

Hope this made sense, just wanted to say, this guy sounds like he thinks the whole world has a problem in order to justify some kind of ego issue....

I will read the book if I can find it ....

heartmama
post #7 of 12
I know you wanted this to be about the book and I have not read it, though it sounds interesting. But what I wanted to add is that I'm not sure it is a traumatizing experience (long term) for your daughter to hear something like that and struggle with the pain. It is an opportunity to grow stronger and search for her love for herself. She may need your help, but to focus on the bully only encourages her to feel the victim. We are tested this way so that we can grow strong. A tree that comes up against wind grows much stronger than one that doesn't (and even worse if it the gardener's stake is never removed.)

That said, I don't like the sound of that Brad guy. Handing you a book, his book, seems kind of arrogant and distant to the unique relationship of you two and your kids.
post #8 of 12
Thread Starter 
Thank you all for your thoughtful replies re Maeve's hair cut.

Cindy, you raised something I really need to think about. Not fun thoughts, but necessary ones. Thank you.

I can't find in the little synopsis below the comment someone made about natural consequences in reference to Brad's child having his feelings hurt by me. It was interesting that you metion that, because another adult who sees him daily said exactly the same thing, that being rebuffed is part of his learning process.

Anyway, I've picked the pick up and put it down a half a dozen times. I finally put it away. I love to read, but my negative feelings about the situation are getting in my way of taking any good out of it right now, so I have resolved to read it in a little while.
post #9 of 12
Related to the idea of radical honesty, what do you think about trying to be honest when your child is doing some simple little thing that she seems to think is wonderful.
"Look mom, I can spin in a circle."
"Oh, yes, I see."
"See me spinning in a circle, I'm dancing, I'm a beautiful dancer."
"Yes, you are a wonderful dancer!"

Then she goes up to strangers and doesn't understand why they aren't impressed that she can spin in a circle. LOL. Then somewhere down the line she won't trust my judgment and say, "but you have to say I'm pretty--you're my mom!"
post #10 of 12
Thread Starter 
Before my kids were ever born, I had a friend who had a tiny little daughter who was in a Montessori school.

This friend was one of the most unfit for motherhood women I have ever seen. Benign neglect is the best way I can put it.

I was 17, 18, 19, when I knew this child, and essentially, I took her. Her mother didn't care, and the housekeeper who was meant to be looking after her watched soap operas all day.

My husband and I actually went so far as to buy me a safer car for her to ride around in.

We were so goofy in love with this kid.

One of the things I did in an interest in understanding her teachers/school a little better was attend a Montessori teacher assitant training, and I learnt a lot of interesting things there........one of which was the phenomena you just discussed.

When my kids bring me their art, or dance, I always ask them how it made them feel, or to tell me the story of the work. I don't dish out fake praise.

It's amazing, what a difference it makes, everything becomes about them, not about me feeding them.

Good point. : )
post #11 of 12
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Originally posted by Moon
When my kids bring me their art, or dance, I always ask them how it made them feel, or to tell me the story of the work. I don't dish out fake praise.
You know I've tried not to because I was aware of this issue early on, but I actually find myself all the time praising her because I feel like praising her. When she sings, even though she isn't in tune, I tell her how good she is. Yet I mention to family that she can't carry a tune very well, yet, and they get offended by that and think I should be building her up. Sometimes dh will get a little annoyed when she keeps doing the same things and wants him to watch her, that he will "tell it like it is" so to speak. In other words: Yes, I see you can jump over the book on the floor, you've done it 10 times now so I don't need to watch. What else can you do. Stuff like that.
post #12 of 12
The biggest goal for me with honesty is finding harmony between my being and behavior. So that was shows on my face, in my tone, etc. reflects the feeling inside. (Right now I am struggling with this because I have morning sickness and carry a sour expression almost all the time...and I was trained to smile at everyone.) But sometimes I will apply social graces for the sake of saving energy, going with the program. But to hold onto a consciousness about my feeling inside at the same time is important to me...to not abandon my being for the sake of the outside world.

I also feel it is appropriate to guage the development and sensitivity of those around you, and speak to what seems at their level. That doesn't always mean gentleness. For some it is appropriate to hear the harsher realities. For others they are too fragile and retreat immediately into the bunker they may have been just ready to emerge from. A younger child will more likely be more fragile, but each has a different story.

I usually do feel that my child is beautiful in his efforts...he's not at a speaking age yet to ask for compliments...but notice others don't see him the same way. I'm sure at some point it is really normal to want more than just your mother's praises and opinions.
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