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post #41 of 100
I agree with that it is totally ethical for the person who bought the charity fluff to then do whatever they please with it, ask whatever they want from it. It's theirs, it's bought and paid for, they are the ones who are taking the risk that it may be worth quite a bit when it's time to resell or not worth much, based on the fluctuations of trends/fads in this marketplace. If they find a seller happy to pay the price that they are asking, which is what it is worth to them and therefore totally to their discretion what the value is, then both parties win and there's nothing wrong with it.


When I said, "It would be nice if...." I was just speaking about the spirit that our little community TP operates under, in most circumstances, not what is ethical or not. For the most part, if you have a seller who is primarily interested in top dollar for her hyena good, she lists it on ebay and ensures that the person willing to give her the most $$ gets the item. If you have a seller who is interested in passing the item along to another MDC mama via our TP, there seems to be some unspoken rule of ettiquite that prevents most mamas from listing the used item out on our TP at a price above retail.... That's just what I've noticed. For the hyenaest of items, I've noticed that most mamas are just trying to recoup their expenses, not make a profit, and that seems to suit everyone quite nicely. (And of course for other items, taking some loss for using an item is standard. ) I think most of us enjoy that you can get some nice things on our TP without paying eBay-auction-driven-up prices, if you are there at the right moment and happen to PM the seller first. It's fun, and a community spirit comes from that, along with all the other nice parts of trading on our TP.

I think it's pretty transparent when people say, "I paid hundreds of dollars for this item from a (possibly charity) auction and I don't know what to ask for it..." Or, "This/these are really hard to get and from a custom order I waited a long time to receive, so I really don't know what to ask....." They are simply hoping for someone to PM them with a big $$ offer so they won't have to 'ask' a price way above retail but still be able to liquidate the price for a pretty penny without the trouble and possible MDC exposure/behavior-critiquing of auctioning it via ebay. However, this is against the TP rules, ---all items must be listed on our TP with an asking price, no exceptions. Like it or not, if you can't play by the rules, then you can't use the TP.

I think if you have a very hot used item (Charity or non-Charity) and you'd like a price above retail for it,and don't want to list it on ebay, you sholud start PMing all the people who have posted that they are desperately in search of the item, and ask them to make you an offer, or tell them what price range you are looking to liquidate the item for. Seems more fair to reward those who have tirelessly begged for the stuff on the TP, and let them (who are likely to be the most willing to give you the price you seek) negotiate a sale price with you privately.
post #42 of 100
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If it's conditional, if you want to pass the price of your generosity on to someone else, it's not generosity at all.
Well there was some generosity there.... I mean the original bidder/buyer is putting the money up first, and taking a chance that she won't be able to get close to what she paid back for it. There are no guarantees playing the hyena game. :LOL

But in general, I do kind of agree that if you are trying to get part or all of your charity donation back when you resell it, you are changing your mind about wanting your money to go to the orphanage or wherever, and asking that the secondary buyer reimburse you and thus, in fact, becoming the true , generous charity donator. Which is fine, but something that I don't think the seller always realizes when they are asking a high price for their expensive charity item on the secondary market. I think it's good that we have started this thread and kind of 'got it out there' and said out loud that anyone who is trying to get their donation back via reselling their charity fluff is doing just that--trying to get their donation back.
post #43 of 100
Some things to consider...

Charity auctions items are usually "one of a kind" things that the wahm spent extra time and money on just for the charity auction... so they are worth more to begin with. I remember a set done where mm knitted some longies, then it came with a t-shirt dyed by tdd to match, and a diaper dyed by tdd and sewn by fmbg to match. That set is worth more $$$ as a set than those items are worth individually.

And about the charity part.... do keep in mind that wahms almost always donate the amount over retail to the charity too. So, if wahm's items sold for $150, and the auction said that the wahm would give 10%. Well, the items in this auction retail in her store for $75 normally, so when she goes to total up her donations, she donates $90 from that auction. Then, when she is done calculating her donations... she has the number of $163.00.... she'll just round it up to $200.

So, that extra money paid for the item is usually going directly to the charity... and then some.

Teri
post #44 of 100
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Originally Posted by Mach5Mama
Hmmm, in regards to charity auctions (not overbidding, not scoring hyena stuff then reselling it): as a buyer, I would never dream of selling something for more than it would retail for normally, even if I spent hundreds of dollars on a $25 dollar item. To me, that would be negating the generousity I felt when I bid or bought. Can you have overspending remorse from buying something which will benefit a charity? Sure. Though it's my opinion that if you do, you have no business being generous. If it's conditional, if you want to pass the price of your generosity on to someone else, it's not generosity at all.
Again, you're assuming that the difference between the retail price and the winning bid is "the donation." To me, that's like saying that if this one-of-a-kind hyena item were sold in a regular (non-charity) auction, it would only sell for retail price. That's ridiculous. It wouldn't.

The difference between what it would go for in a non-charity auction and what it goes for in a charity auction is the "charity amount." And there's no way to determine what that amount is.

Even if you *could* determine what that amount is, nothing can change the fact that the person has paid it and nothing can "undo" that. If they sell it for the same amount later, maybe it's because the item is worth more several months later than at the time of the auction. These items can appreciate in value. Or maybe the "charity amount" was zero for that person. Meaning, maybe they would have bid exactly the same amount for the item in a regular auction. (It's still good that they bought it, right? The charity still got the money.) It's just so silly to think that you can know what all these variables are. It all comes back to the fact that it's good that the person bought the charity item, the charity got the money, and if someone else wants to buy it from them for a lot of money later WHY NOT? Why should it be anyone's concern what they do with it after they buy it? If people are going to decide to *make* it their concern for some reason, you're going to see a lot fewer charity bidders. And that's not good!
post #45 of 100
I agree with Alice and April, among others.

What if I am all rich one month and I spend $500 on a MM/Fussybutt/Luxe set at Fluff Factory. 50% of the money goes to the charity. Maybe the WAHMs put in more, I dont know. All I know is the auction said 50% goes to charity and the WAHMs get the rest (and I don't think this is wrong at all!). Now I have a tough month and need some cash. I decide to sell the set. What is it's worth?

Seperately the items are worth less than as a set. So do I break it all down and ask for the total plus shipping and handling? Do I sell it for $250 because that was the 50% marck? Or do I ask for $450?

Well, it's up to me isn't it.

What if there was a similar auction for a similar set that wasn't for charity. The set went for $500 too. Does that mean that the set I bought really is worth $500 and I can ask that much for it? Who decides?

I get to decide.

Not all auctions are 100% donations either. THe WAHMs do get retail for their items. Of course lots more donate any money they may have made and that is awesome!

Soooooo.. I have two MM/BB sets. One for charity and one not. I paid X amount for the one for charity and Y amount for the one not for charity. Really, it is up to the seller to decide how much to ask and the buyer to decide how much they are willing to pay.

I don't get why it is different for charity auctions and not for items bought directly from the WAHMs. I see tons of stuff go for more than retail all the time on the TP. Some I wouldn't pay extra for, some I might. That is between me and the seller right?
post #46 of 100
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Really, it is up to the seller to decide how much to ask and the buyer to decide how much they are willing to pay.

I don't get why it is different for charity auctions and not for items bought directly from the WAHMs. I see tons of stuff go for more than retail all the time on the TP. Some I wouldn't pay extra for, some I might. That is between me and the seller right?
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to the OP from a fellow New Mexico mama
post #47 of 100
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Originally Posted by Butterflymom
I think it's pretty transparent when people say, "I paid hundreds of dollars for this item from a (possibly charity) auction and I don't know what to ask for it..." Or, "This/these are really hard to get and from a custom order I waited a long time to receive, so I really don't know what to ask....." They are simply hoping for someone to PM them with a big $$ offer so they won't have to 'ask' a price way above retail but still be able to liquidate the price for a pretty penny without the trouble and possible MDC exposure/behavior-critiquing of auctioning it via ebay. However, this is against the TP rules, ---all items must be listed on our TP with an asking price, no exceptions. Like it or not, if you can't play by the rules, then you can't use the TP.

I think if you have a very hot used item (Charity or non-Charity) and you'd like a price above retail for it,and don't want to list it on ebay, you sholud start PMing all the people who have posted that they are desperately in search of the item, and ask them to make you an offer, or tell them what price range you are looking to liquidate the item for. Seems more fair to reward those who have tirelessly begged for the stuff on the TP, and let them (who are likely to be the most willing to give you the price you seek) negotiate a sale price with you privately.
Well, look, I'm transparent. (I always thought it was rather difficult to see through a 180 pound woman, but what the hell do I know?) And in violation of MDC rules, too. Pretty rotten person all around, huh?

Whatever.
post #48 of 100
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Originally Posted by spatulagirl
I see tons of stuff go for more than retail all the time on the TP. Some I wouldn't pay extra for, some I might. That is between me and the seller right?
You'd think so!



Sometimes I think some of the posts on these threads are simply based on certain people wanting to be able to pay only $20 for items that are actually worth a lot more than that. :

I remember someone once saying that she listed a hyena item on the tp and was immediately swamped with PMs begging her for it. She said that a few of the PMs were demands that she sell the item to them for a lesser price. At the time, it was difficult to believe that anyone would have the gall to send such a pm. It's a little easier to believe now. :
post #49 of 100
geez....I have a knitted item I bought in a charity auction that no longer fits my dd. I know what I paid for it, but don't know the regular price, nor do I have the paperwork to contact the wahm anymore. so if you see me trying to sell it on the tp, it's not me trying to get the best price, it's a homenest mom trying to sell something for a fair price.

I think people can sell for any price they want, but I wouldn't pay about the regular price, unless it was unique, or matched perfectly with something I own, etc. I would 'cover' the monies spent to the auction. I would expect the seller to accept a loss(the charity part).

Also, some charity items don't sell above the cost of the item, so the wahm loses out as well as the charity :-(
post #50 of 100
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Originally Posted by Butterflymom
But in general, I do kind of agree that if you are trying to get part or all of your charity donation back when you resell it, you are changing your mind about wanting your money to go to the orphanage or wherever, and asking that the secondary buyer reimburse you and thus, in fact, becoming the true , generous charity donator. Which is fine, but something that I don't think the seller always realizes when they are asking a high price for their expensive charity item on the secondary market. I think it's good that we have started this thread and kind of 'got it out there' and said out loud that anyone who is trying to get their donation back via reselling their charity fluff is doing just that--trying to get their donation back.
That's an incredibly judgmental way of looking at it.

The money they paid to charity has gone to charity. Nothing the person who owns this unique item does will change that - nothing.

So what if they need/want to sell the item?

Maybe it doesn't fit... maybe they don't use it... maybe they used it and want to pass it along.

There's nothing wrong with getting the best price you can for something.

Especially a one of a kind item.

From what I've seen on the TP, I seriously doubt many mama's are getting their money back out of those items. What people will pay for something one of a kind in a heat of the moment auction atmosphere, and what they'll pay for a used unique item afterwards, are two different things.

Personally, I think whoever bids on charity auctions is doing a wonderful favor by usually paying far above retail on an item with the knowledge that the money will be donated.

As far as what they do after that - who the hell cares?

I've never even bid on a charity auction yet. But count me as one who doesn't think there's anything the least bit wrong (or counter to the "spirit" of the TP) with selling charity stuff for whatever you want. OR selling stuff for more than retail.
post #51 of 100
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I remember someone once saying that she listed a hyena item on the tp and was immediately swamped with PMs begging her for it. She said that a few of the PMs were demands that she sell the item to them for a lesser price. At the time, it was difficult to believe that anyone would have the gall to send such a pm. It's a little easier to believe now.
This happened to me, not once, but twice. If I had saved the pm's I'd be happy to forward them to you Now, my hyena stuff pretty much only goes to ebay. I just don't like the begging, demanding and "please take pity on me, i never got a custom, never got to try this, my life sucks right now" pm's I just sold a nb/sm MM soaker on ebay, only worn 3 times, for $30-something. When you post on ebay, you take your chances, too, but I'd rather have a simple transaction on ebay than all the drama from some tp transactions I've encountered :

And I'm still in the "if you don't like what someone is asking for an item, don't buy it" camp
post #52 of 100
The only way I think that the mamma should not ask for what they paid for it is if they use the amount they paid as a charitable donation on their tax's. They have reaped a benefit of having put that money towards charity and now they are going to ask for that money back to me is not right.

But if it is the wahm that gets the charitable donation on the tax's then I think it is totally fair to ask what the mamma paid for the item to try to recoup at least part of what she paid.

I for one have a hard time spending more than retail, but I also am not a huge HYENA fluff person. I love my mutts and prefolds and harleyz. That is about all we use.
Although I will be watching a couple of those fluffy factory auctions as well because they are just Super cute adn I think that I may need one of them!

I think that each is gonna do what they feel is right for them and you don't have to pay that amount if you don't want to spend that. That is your choice just as it is theirs to pay it originally and it is their choice to offer it up for sale in the end!
post #53 of 100
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Originally Posted by KayleeZoo
This happened to me, not once, but twice. If I had saved the pm's I'd be happy to forward them to you Now, my hyena stuff pretty much only goes to ebay. I just don't like the begging, demanding and "please take pity on me, i never got a custom, never got to try this, my life sucks right now" pm's I just sold a nb/sm MM soaker on ebay, only worn 3 times, for $30-something. When you post on ebay, you take your chances, too, but I'd rather have a simple transaction on ebay than all the drama from some tp transactions I've encountered :

And I'm still in the "if you don't like what someone is asking for an item, don't buy it" camp
I hope you're not saying it bugs you when people OFFER you less for an item. If so, you would probably HATE me!

I frequently make offers on stuff to people... especially if it's been on the TP for a while.

But, I don't DEMAND less or anything... and I hope I've never given anyone a sob story...
post #54 of 100
Charity or not,and whatever the origional intent for buying the item was~~~~~~~~~i can do whatever I want with my stuff. I can sell it to get full reimbursment if I want, I can give it away, I can sarifice and sell it for way below what it is worth on the TP for people who think everything should be cheap.....It's my item.Period.
I think there is a common courtesy and understanding on the TP. Mamas want a great deal.I love the TP. I love getting things cheap, and selling cheap. But not everything.

That aside, when the origional charity auction is over, it doesn't matter what happens to the "stuff".Thats a mere byproduct of the charity. Which is why most of us bid in the first place.

I don't think mamas here should be made to feel like they have to be martyrs and never get their money back on stuff. I mean, selling on Ebay, or selling for the real worth of the item is simply being smart.
post #55 of 100
Thread Starter 
: back to Brandi -- hey, are you in my neck of the desert? I'm in northern NM...

Now, as to the topic at hand...

I agree with much of what Angelica said. I think it's worthwhile to draw some distinction here between ethics and the social morés of re-selling charity items here at MDC. Is it unethical to ask to be fully reimbursed for your charity auction purchase? Arguably not -- as many posters here have expressed, the selling price is ultimately between the seller and the buyer; if a buyer is willing to pay the price, then the laws of the market deem it to be a fair price.

But does this practice go against the unspoken (and occasionally spoken, like in this thread ) morés of this particular community? Perhaps so...there seem to be quite a few people here, like myself, who find the idea of profiting from what was originally supposed to be a generous act a little strange.

I wouldn't (and didn't) expect us to all agree on this topic, btw -- diversity of opinion is what makes the world interesting, no?

One last thing: I don't see this question as inherently criticizing the buyer or saying that anyone should be able to buy anything for nothing, but simply more as exploring an issue of MDC diapering economics. And to whomever suggested that bringing this up will dissuade anyone from bidding on the upcoming fluff auctions, I respectfully have to :LOL -- let's face it, the diapering world isn't exactly in danger of losing its hyenas, and if the thought of not recouping your entire investment on a charity auction is enough to prevent you from bidding, then you obviously weren't very interested in being charitable in the first place, were you?

Guin
post #56 of 100
These threads just get more and more interesting...

Honestly, if somebody wants to pay $400 for a wet that somebody else purchased on an auction... charity or not... that's totally cool. I mean, it keeps the market good and all.

If somebody gets $400 for the MM/FMBG/TDD set, then the next charity auctions that come around have a similar set with completely different colors... people are more likely to bid high anyway... because they see that it is worth more.

I dunno that there is even a moral or ethical issue in how much you sell something for.... If buyer wants to pay that much, and seller wants to sell for that much... who cares? Both parties are happy. The wahm is happy that an item is being passed on and getting used.... because that is the whole idea, to get as many uses out of the items as possible and keep from using disposable items. The wahm is also happy to see that people like her stuff so much that they are willing to pay that much for it.... It's a huge compliment really.

I dunno... I guess I just don't see why it's even an issue.

Teri
post #57 of 100
well, when I first looked at this thread, I thought that it perturbed me a bit too.But after thinkin gabout it,I think here we are just conditioned to think about it that way.I mean, we are used to mamas selling things cheap to other mamas on the TP.
But not everyone does it that way.I mean, I think it is great that that is not our only option either.
post #58 of 100
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I hope you're not saying it bugs you when people OFFER you less for an item
Nope, I've even offered people less than the asking price on the TP a couple times. I'm talking about PMs literally demanding that they be the recipient of a certain piece of fluff, but that they can only pay X amount, etc. (And the sob stories turn me off, too, but that's another thread )
post #59 of 100
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Originally Posted by organicmommy
The only way I think that the mamma should not ask for what they paid for it is if they use the amount they paid as a charitable donation on their tax's. They have reaped a benefit of having put that money towards charity and now they are going to ask for that money back to me is not right.
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I forgot to say that out loud in any of my posts, but in terms of donating to charity, I sort of assumed people would then deduct the amount as a charity donation on their taxes, and then to get the donation back later, well....

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Originally Posted by Leilalu
I mean, selling on Ebay, or selling for the real worth of the item is simply being smart.
I totally agree, Leila! I wish people didn't totally gloss over the fact that in terms of what is right, and what is ethical, I totally agree with Alice, Kate, and others who say they can do whatever they want with their items and get whatever price someone is willing to pay! We've discussed selling hyena fluff on ebay often enough for my standpoint on that to be obvious, as a very vocal libertarian on this forum.
What was taken as my being 'horribly judgmental' was the side point that I was trying to make that our little TP is a place where friends come and mingle and swap, and where in general, it's not the best avenue for trying to get the absolute maximum price for an item that the market will bear. That is what ebay is for.

I also want to add, that I far prefer selling fluff on ebay--less hassles, higher prices for the seller, bigger audience, stuff actually sells that would NEVER sell on the TP.... so much easier all around!!! Iand of course I enjoy when something goes for over retail!!! That's awesome because it helps to offset all the times I've sold stuff for dirt cheap and barely gotten the shipping amount for it, being in Finland.) I like to use the TP for transactoins that I consider 'amongst friends' and often include gifts along with the purchases... the TP is so fun for that kind of thing so I do use it, but in general if I have to raise some $$ and move some fluff, I like the no-hassle aspect (and higher $$proceeds raised) of eBay.
post #60 of 100
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Originally Posted by Butterflymom
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I forgot to say that out loud in any of my posts, but in terms of donating to charity, I sort of assumed people would then deduct the amount as a charity donation on their taxes, and then to get the donation back later, well....



I totally agree, Leila! I wish people didn't totally gloss over the fact that in terms of what is right, and what is ethical, I totally agree with Alice, Kate, and others who say they can do whatever they want with their items and get whatever price someone is willing to pay! We've discussed selling hyena fluff on ebay often enough for my standpoint on that to be obvious, as a very vocal libertarian on this forum.
What was taken as my being 'horribly judgmental' was the side point that I was trying to make that our little TP is a place where friends come and mingle and swap, and where in general, it's not the best avenue for trying to get the absolute maximum price for an item that the market will bear. That is what ebay is for.

I also want to add, that I far prefer selling fluff on ebay--less hassles, higher prices for the seller, bigger audience, stuff actually sells that would NEVER sell on the TP.... so much easier all around!!! Iand of course I enjoy when something goes for over retail!!! That's awesome because it helps to offset all the times I've sold stuff for dirt cheap and barely gotten the shipping amount for it, being in Finland.) I like to use the TP for transactoins that I consider 'amongst friends' and often include gifts along with the purchases... the TP is so fun for that kind of thing so I do use it, but in general if I have to raise some $$ and move some fluff, I like the no-hassle aspect (and higher $$proceeds raised) of eBay.

I know I am planning on selling a bunch of stuff on Ebay soon. My reasoning as of late is that it simply doesn't sell lately on the TP unless it is like $5. Or brand new.IMO.
And I have some not so hyena-ish stuff to get rid of and I am tired of listing it repeatedly.......

I also want to donate some to a goodwill, and the donation threads though.


I mean, I love EBAY. Nothing wrong with being shrewd when it comes to money.I mean, people are shrewd when they try to be frugal,no?
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