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post #1 of 17
Thread Starter 

I've been thinking about doing the DK thing for a while now, after seeing a great drag show last night i've totally been pushed over the edge....
Are there any DKs here who would like to offer up some tips?

I am also stumped on the name..
I'm a knitter, so I was kind of thinking something like Vic Merino or Vic Alpaca :LOL
post #2 of 17
Thread Starter 
Aaah! Now i'm feeling :
Probably the wrong place to post this thread, I just always think MDC first when I need advice. Sorry!!
post #3 of 17
I've done some but not much since having the kid. What questions do you have? The hardest part is definitley confidence, IME. Also, very important, if you are lactating, do *not* bind, b.c you can get mastitis or plugged ducts - OW!
post #4 of 17
Thread Starter 
Thanks for the reply
I kind of plan on being a "weekend king".. Just dressing up for shows and clubs, But I still kind of worry what I will tell the kids when they are older if it's something I continue to do and was wondering what others' experiences were on that.. (Could I ask why you've stopped after having children max_4477?)
I come from a very anti-queer family and my MIL would try to perform an excorsim on me if she knew (seriously) so it's hard for me to shake the "this is wrong, my kids will think i'm crazy and embarrasing" feeling.

I don't know if that makes sense at all or makes a valid question... I'm feeling kind of embarrased :

And I was also wondering little things about which is better for binding Ace bandages or plastic wrap(I didn't know that you couldn't do this if lactating! Thanks!!), what do do if you have kinda womanly hips, name ideas, and just general drag info, experiences, and support. I couldn't find much on google.
post #5 of 17
I just don't have time anymore. Sad. I haven't been out alone at night since...I can't even remember the last time. I used to have one evening aweek but I volunteered to faciliate a GLBTQ youth group instead of going out with grownups, because that seemed more inportant. I hope to get back to it someday, especially now that I live in an area witha thriving drag scene (although that does make it somewhat intimidating - some of the kings here are damn good!)

For binding, I 've always used bandages. I've heard of but never known folks using plastic wrap - it doesn't sound very healthy for ths skin, and I would be concerned to leave it on too long. If you're not too big you can also use sports bra and duct tape. For bandages (my recommendation), use the widest ACE bandages. You can swe 2 end-to-end to get a longer strip. If you lean backward so your boobs sort of fall flat it's easiest to get them to look like pecs instead of breasts. Depending on how big you are you may also want to chose clothing that will help disguise - like anything that layers: flannel shirts, vests, jackets, etc.

For hips, again with the clothing. If you're super curvy you may want to pad a bit (belly/waist area), but most of the time that's more trouble than it's worh IMO. Wear clothes that don't accentuate your waist - so if you're curvy maybe not an undershirt tucked into tight jeans. Maybe suit pants with a low belt and a jacket. Maybe heavy metal rocker ripped up but loose layers? It all depends on what image/style you're going for.

Names - I also think this depends on your "image" a bit. Do you have a genre you like or do you think you'llbe all over the place. Funny names are always good but I say keep it simple. And some names are getting pretty hackneyed by now (how many cities have a king named "Buster Cherry", ya know? prolly a lot)

I just did drag now & again for fun - not for $. But it's great. Great. I say go for it!

If you google: drag king
some stuff comes up. Here are a few:
http://www.dantedifranco.com/HowTo.htm
http://drag.lesbiru.com/eng/
http://www.dckings.com/tips.html
http://www.chicagokings.com/home.html (click on the FAQ)

You an also google: drag king tips
for more similar pages.

ETA - You *can* bind if you're bfing but you just have to take it easy and not be too tight or for too long. I came across kinda hardcore earlier.
post #6 of 17
Finding out on MDC that you shouldn't bind your lactating breasts to do drag: priceless. :
post #7 of 17
I've never done drag, so I have no advice. But, drag kings make me drool. I love 'em.
post #8 of 17
Thread Starter 
max_4477 for your GLBTQ youth group!! That's awesome!

I've played around with ACE bandages before for binding and never got great results (like.. WOAH pecs!! :LOL) but I read on one of your links that I was wrapping incorrectly. I can't wait to try again You're probably right on the plastic wrap, I'm not too big boob-wise, but my body has a really strong hourglass shape so my ribcage is pretty wide KWIM? Great idea on the padding around the waist, mabye I could sew some type of waistline padding thing to make it less of a hassle.

I think that i'm probably going to model my drag persona on Japanese rock stars
(Gackt: http://www.zarahemla.com/~katy/gackt.../camuikou4.jpg
Glay: http://japanmusic.altervista.org/Glay/glay23.jpg
L'arc en Ciel:
http://www.naatanet.org/festival/2005/html/images/press/f/Music%20Video%20Asia/L'Arc%20En%20Ciel.jpg
Miyavi: http://img12.exs.cx/img12/3231/arena0307_miyavi51.jpg )
I was thinking they have a fun sexy style, and look pretty androgynous which might work with me, but also might defeat the whole purpose of drag :LOL
What do you think?
If I don't go with the J-rock look I might end up with a pinstripe suit, hat yakuza/new york mob type thing, but how will that work in a performance?

Woah! I didn't even know that you could make money doing drag, I thought it was just a fun thing for everyone. :LOL :

Thanks again for the great links! When I googled all that I could find other than troupe bios was the drag.lesbiru link.

Tara You can stick around and help me pick a name!!
post #9 of 17
Thread Starter 
BTW, max_4477.. You rock!! Thanks so much for the help and encouragement.
post #10 of 17
Oh, I'm happy to see people doing drag! I miss it. Wish I had more time. Someday.

I love the J-rockers! Very androgynous. I am not all for the hyper-masculinity some people take as necessary to pass as a king. I would love to be a femmey gayboy drag king but haven't had enough confidence to pplay that line. Yet.

If you go the way of suits etc there are a lot of numbers from musicals etc. that are classy and have a ton on entendre. I had a friend in Seattle who only did drag to numbers from musicals (Luck be a Lady, anyone?).

But another really great thing abotu drag is resetting songs waay out of their original context for a new spin on them. It can be tough to get that creative but that's where the heart of it is, IMO.

Good luck! Keep us posted! I would think that in PDX there would be a fair amount of support for new kings, no? (Haven't lived there in a long time now...)
post #11 of 17
Former drag king here!!

I say go for it! Drag is very liberating.

I founded and was part of a troupe called the Mambo Drag Kings here in Montreal about 10 years ago. I do some emceeing for community events, and the idea came to me that I wanted a possee of drag kings dancing behind my first lipsynch number (not in drag). Eventually, I just started doing drag because the troupe kept being asked to perform and there wasn't much interest in just having a woman lipsyncing (how do you spell that??). We did shows at clubs and community events for years. It was a blast. We're not officially dissolved, but most of us are too busy now to keep it up. Two are real die hards and still going at it!

We did mostly retro stuff, and our style was elegant and classy. We wore suites for the most part, if only because they are best for hiding the female form. We did Tom Jones a few times (It's Not Unusual and Leave Your Hat on, which we performed at Pride in front of 10,000 people. Yikes!), and classic songs like Love is in the Air. We did Prince one but it was a disaster!

In recent years we got into more gender-bendy stuff. We did a number from Cabaret (Mein Herr) where the kings were all dressed in white shirts and black pants but had make-up on a-la Joel Grey (I was the girl lead in that one), and we also did Wilcommen, with me in Joel Grey drag and the "guys" in colourful boxer shorts, sock garters, shirts and ties.

Binding: ace bandage, for sure. But the real deal for us was the facial hair. It took years for us to master that. We used fake hair that we cut up really finely and eyelash glue. For a while we had an actual guy come and do the hair for us, which taught us lots.

My stage name was Phil Lerrup (say it fast; get it? LOL!)

Drag also brought me my family: my partner and I met when she joined the troupe. We fell for each other when we were filming a mock episode of Dick Van Dyck called Dyke Van Dick where she played Dyke and I was Mary Tylor Moore. Major sparks. Hilarious! The movie is called Kings, and it has shown at some queer film festivals.

As to what your kids will think, that depends on them and how you present it to them. Good luck with that!!! Haha!
post #12 of 17
Once upon a time, I was house-sitting for a friend, all my stuff in storage, and I was invited to a VERY formal party. No wardrobe, so I rented a tux. Long story short, I liked it so much that I bought my own the very next week! I've long since outgrown and given away the tux and all the trappings, but reading your posts reminds me how good that felt!
post #13 of 17
I've briefly thought about this, not necessarily to the full extent of being total drag, but I do finger the ties I see at thrift stores and such. I would love to do a sorta femmey-boyish look sometime.
post #14 of 17
DP thought about getting into this a few years ago. Reading your stories makes me wonder if I shouldn't encourage her to maybe get into it a bit as a way to release her stress by doing something she'd have a lot of fun with. The only problem is, the big gay club in town shut down after the hurricanes because they didn't have the money to fix the damages, so the only place in town is a bit smallish with VERY catty drag queens who don't like to share! :LOL In fact I've never seen a drag king at this particular bar. Maybe for that reason it would be a hit? Hmmm....
post #15 of 17
I LOVE drag kings... I had one ask for my help with her beard in the bathroom at Pride this summer and I got all nervous.

Wemoon~ I did more than finger the ties at the thrift store, I bought two! Now I gotta find the right shirt to wear it with....and learn how to tie a tie of course. I think girls in ties (or drag in general) are really attractive.

The mostly queen show here always has an amzaing reception when a king or two performs, the chicks (straight and gay) go nuts.

I'm glad my dd will be exposed to lots of different people, GLBT whatever... I think she'll learn to respect everyone equally.
post #16 of 17
The closest I ever came to being "in drag" was when DP and I did a role reversal one night a while back - she dressed up in a very feminine outfit, and I wore her men's dress slacks, shirt, vest, and tie, with my hair back in a low ponytail. Even though we weren't performing, it was still so much fun to step into another role.

The club I mentioned that shut down had for a short period of time two drag kings who drew a HUGE crowd. They were both kind of young and so their drag king appearance was more of a boyish look - it was really great entertainment.
post #17 of 17
Thread Starter 
max_4477 - The few kings that i've met here so far have been really supportive and great, i'm very lucky! And to get drag advice on MDC is just awesome too..

jocmtl - Phil Lerrup :LOL Do you have photos of your drag days?


Faerieshadow - Totally encourage her, I think that the Drag Queens will be cool with sharing the stage with a King. Not exactly competition KWIM?



So, My show is on the 20th of this month.. Gosh that's soon. I'm so nervous!! I'll post photos!
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