They’re just bee’s wax crayons, for cripes sake - Page 3

[bigmamaj]

Hooopla

Pete,

I think you have a conspiracy obsession here...so you found as many sites that didn't have brown skinned dolls as I did...what does that say??

I think it is as simple as supply & demand...if more people request black, asian, hispanic dolls/angels/fairies, people will carry them. Period.

BTW...yes, the brown skinned angel has blond hair...all black people have to have black hair? LOL...you should tell that to a few of my friends.

Lisa

[Pete]

Originally Posted by bigmamaj

Pete,

I think you have a conspiracy obsession here...so you found as many sites that didn't have brown skinned dolls as I did...what does that say??

I don't think I have any kind of obsession. I'm pointing out something that occurs commonly. I think it says what I said it says - no black angels in Waldorf.

I think it is as simple as supply & demand...if more people request black, asian, hispanic dolls/angels/fairies, people will carry them. Period.

It's not about supply and demand at all. It's about the impressions young children get in Waldorf kindergarten - that black is not a color and that angels have to be white.

BTW...yes, the brown skinned angel has blond hair...all black people have to have black hair? LOL...you should tell that to a few of my friends.

I'll tell you what - why don't you show "a few of your friends" what I have written here and see what they think?

Pete

[LindaCl]

Pete- "The third listing offers brown skinned fairies with blond or white hair - not exactly what I would call representative of minorities.

BTW...yes, the brown skinned angel has blond hair...all black people have to have black hair? LOL...you should tell that to a few of my friends.

Pete must have overlooked that the option for brown-haired, brown skinned fairies was available on the same page.

Again, I don't remember my children's Waldorf classrooms having fairy or angel dolls in this style at all. I only remember one 'baby' doll, a girl doll which had dark brown hair and a somewhat ambiguous skin color, sort of deepish tan, and an African child aged doll made and sold by a Waldorf school in Africa.

There were many puppets to play with, and they came in a wide range of hair and skin colors. And there were many little felt gnomes whose faces were made of wool batting, with the wool colored in natural, browns, and grays usually.

It seems like there were probably the little wooden human figures in the classroom someplace, but I can't recall them. I only remember the wooden farm animals.

Linda

[Pete]

Originally Posted by LindaCl

Pete must have overlooked that the option for brown-haired, brown skinned fairies was available on the same page.

I did overlook it - and going back I still cannot find what you mean. The closest I found was choice of peach or brown skin with choice of dress color.

Most sites offer a peach or brown skin. I know what the "brown" skin fabric looks like because my ex was a dollmaker for a while and sold her dolls commercially. The brown skin could, at best, be described as olive skin - certainly not black or dark brown by any means. Some dollmakers go a shade darker with their skin colors and offer a "mocha" - which is a light brown. Hair color choices, again, often exclude black.

Again, I don't remember my children's Waldorf classrooms having fairy or angel dolls in this style at all. I only remember one 'baby' doll, a girl doll which had dark brown hair and a somewhat ambiguous skin color, sort of deepish tan, and an African child aged doll made and sold by a Waldorf school in Africa.

There were many puppets to play with, and they came in a wide range of hair and skin colors. And there were many little felt gnomes whose faces were made of wool batting, with the wool colored in natural, browns, and grays usually.

It seems like there were probably the little wooden human figures in the classroom someplace, but I can't recall them. I only remember the wooden farm animals.

So, are you saying that in all likelyhood the conditions I describe existed and you simply cannot remember them?

I think we have beat this subject to death. I've either made my case or I haven't. Everyone here can go to the links we've both provided and draw their own conclusions about the representation of dolls, angels cloth, wood or otherwise.

Pete

[UUMom]

The subject was beaten to death for sure.

[LindaCl]

So, are you saying that in all likelyhood the conditions I describe existed and you simply cannot remember them?

No, I'm saying that I don't remember if there were any little wooden dolls to play with in the classroom except animals, therefore I can't, and you shouldn't, conclude that if they were there, they were or weren't multicultural.

The main toys in our Waldorf kindergarten were the child-sized playhouse (sink, store, dishes, etc), puppets, toy animals, cloths, wooden crates and stackable wooden blocks and shapes, headware and capes for dress-up, and a sand table with shells and things. There weren't many dolls, and the two I do remember, I rarely saw being played with. One sat in a chair, and the other rested in the cradle most of the time when I was there. The Waldorf dolls represented on these websites as we're discussing were the type of toys children might have at home, but my children didn't have them in their classroom.

Linda

[PikkuMyy]

Adding to say that first grade started this week, and we have black crayons, which several children were using the other day. Most children made outline drawings of whatever they were making (houses, ships, people, etc.) but they used all sorts of colors to do so.

[Rhonwyn]

In my children's kindy class there were three dolls to play with that were made by the Waldorf trained teachers. One was blond with white skin, one was asian skin toned with black hair and one was a deep brown with black curly hair so I guess we were missing the Hispanic doll. There was a Southwest Native American Storyteller figure that was used before every story time. The gnomes came in many skin tones and wool tones. The wood figures were natural wood. The kids used black and brown crayons available. The capes came in many colors one of them being brown.

This was at an established 25 year old school.