Anyone NOT gettting a Social Security Number for their children? - Page 11

[dharmamama]

Originally Posted by bailey228

So I did go and look to see what the whole tyson chicken thing was about. What I found wasn't that there were any reports of them holding immigrants hostage, the governemnt was bringing charges against them for smuggling in illegal immigrants to work. Once here the immigrants could leave at any time. I don't see how this is actually hurting the immigrants. They are helped out in escaping into a country they want to be in and they are given a job. They were not being abused at all.

I know that NOW (on PBS) did a show on Tyson in the not-so-distant past. Perhaps I remembered it incorrectly and the issue was that Tyson was buying from suppliers who were locking up their workers, even after thay had been notified that this was going on. Honestly, I don't remember the exact details, and maybe I am mixing scenarios. But it's been well-documented that other companies have enslaved their workers in sweatshops.

My point, however, even if my details were fuzzy, was that if companies aren't even following the laws that we have, why should we expect them to turn all ethical on us if the laws were removed? I don't believe that companies flouting employment laws by smuggling in illegal workers who can be paid a pittance with no recourse is a justifiable use of civil disobedience.

Btw, I agree that people should be able to immigrate anywhere they want.

Namaste!

[zinemama]

Originally Posted by bailey228

Also, the reason why people NEED to shop at walmart is because the governement steals over 70% of their income from them I know my husband and I wouldn't be shopping there if we had all of our income available to us.

Why is the government taxing (ok, "stealing" in your parlance) over 70% of your income? I don't know anyone for whom this holds true. Or are you exaggerating to make a point?

[Godiva]

Originally Posted by zinemama

Why is the government taxing (ok, "stealing" in your parlance) over 70% of your income? I don't know anyone for whom this holds true. Or are you exaggerating to make a point?

because there are many many more taxes than just the income tax. There are property taxes (my husband and I pay just as much per month for our property taxes as we do for our mortgage, and we live in a small town!), there is sales tax, the increase in prices from companies having to cover THEIR taxes.... the list goes on and on. Over all, yes the average american pays over 70% of their income to taxes of all forms.

[Dragonfly]

Originally Posted by captain crunchy

Income tax was supposed to be temporary too...and is still technically *voluntary*...try telling that to the IRS.

How do you figure it's voluntary?

[annakiss]

I will repeat myself: Perhaps since this discussion has veered off so far into political-land, someone might like to redirect to a new thread in News & Current Events to continue the conversation...