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post #161 of 776
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Originally Posted by isisjade
This is probably a little OT, but do any of your children sleep less then the average amounts listed? ... Has anyone experienced this? Any suggestions?
Yes, yes, and yes.

Ds1 would sleep from dark until daylight, but that was it. When we lived in AZ with no daylight savings time, he was up with the sun at 4:30 am. He was also born at 3:50 am. He is 5 1/2 and now gets up around 5:30 or 6 am.

Now he still sleeps similarly unless really tired out. On Friday he slept from 4:30pm until 6 am the next morning! But that was unusual.

Basically, for him, I try to keep it dark. But failing that, I encourage him to play by himself or go back to sleep. I also started putting a snack out on the table for him the night before, or a bowl of cereal and he can get the soy milk out of the bottom of the fridge.

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post #162 of 776
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Originally Posted by mamaverdi
...and not their siblings'.
I guess that I was being naive in hoping that the school would cut us some slack this time b/c they have already been through one of my kids who started young (she's in second grade now) and soared to the top of the class immediately. Maybe it is unfair for me to hope for them to associate younger dd's abilities w/ her sister's in a positive manner when I wouldn't want them to do the same if her sister wasn't so bright :LOL ! (My little one is totally ready for kg though, too, and is at right about the same spot that her sister was at this age.)

I guess that other than the note, I am going to try not to worry so much about it since a first quarter kindergarten report card isn't going to make or break her "academic career" so to speak.
post #163 of 776
I am new to this thread (I think) -- I have a couple of questions. I asked in the Toddler section, but then I realized that I may be perceived the wrong way by asking the question I wanted to ask, so I just asked for guidance to sites about developmental milestones.

I think that my second dd is very bright, as all mothers think their children are bright.

But at her two year well visit, her pediatrician seemed genuinely surprised by some of the things she does.

DD is 24 months old. She talks a lot. She talks way more than my older dd did at that age.

For example, she has memorized most of the book about the monkeys jumping on the bed, and she recited it word for word for the doctor yesterday. She also sang several songs with clearly understandable lyrics at the doctor's office.

She also seems very socially engaged with other kids. For example, she walks up to other children and says things like "that's a cool car you have, Ben." When she was eighteen months old, she impulsively grabbed something from an older child, and when he cried, she handed it back on her own and said "I'm sorry, Nathan".

When we read her books, she asks us questions as a riddle to us, for example "what kind of animal goes neigh, neigh" when looking at a picture book with pictures of lots of other kinds of animals, so that we can point to the picture of the horse.

She walked early (nine months) and can do things with her hands like cut paper with scissors. She can identify basic shapes and colors, and count all the way to eleventeen. :LOL (eleventeen comes after twelve).

I have looked for information about whether or not she is advanced in her developmental milestones, but I can't find anything that seems to fit except for the walking. Can you help me?

Also, I have read this thread for a few weeks (trying to catch up) and some of your children sound beyond gifted, almost genius level. I cannot even imagine.

Thank you for your help.
post #164 of 776
Sleep-- BooBah is 15 months old; she does not nap anymore unless we're taking a long car trip. She goes to bed between 9 pm and 12 am most nights, and wakes up around 7 or 8 am. BeanBean will be three soon; he goes to bed between 12 and 2 am and wakes up around 9 am. It's definately enough for him most of the time. He's got dark circles around his eyes, but they're not from lack of sleep-- they're allergic shiners, just like mine, poor kid. They go away if we manage to keep chocolate and citrus out of his diet entirely for a few days.

School-- Christa, I'd be ticked of if that was my kid; I don't think that your expectation is at all unreasonable.

Inezyv-- At BeanBean's 2-year WCC, he told his doctor that "A noun is the name of a person, place, thing or idea;" this is only slightly extraordinary as I'd been doing First Language Lessons for the Well-Trained Mind with his cousin for several weeks. What really knocked the doctor's socks off was when he told him that caterpillar and butterfly were nouns. :LOL At the 2-year check, doctors tend to look for the minimum (the tenth percentile) in order to evaluate children for Early Intervention services. They want to hear that the child uses about a dozen words and makes occasional two-word utterances a la "car go!" There are *tons* of milestone charts for very young children (0-2 years) on the internet; you can find 10th and 50th percentile charts very easily. One of the gifted support websites has a chart that's something like 30% advanced, but I can't remember where it is...

BeanBean and BooBah love to do school. BooBah really freaks me out, I'm not sure what I'm going to do with her. She becomes furious if I try to leave her out of the fun, but I don't have any giant, solid letters for her to munch on; I don't even have laminated cards. She insists on playing with the letters, though, making their sounds and then finding them when she's looking through books or out and about. It's kind of funny to watch people's faces as she points to a letter and makes a sound... :LOL She's so pleased with herself, though. Anyway, giant solid letters are on my never ending List of Things to Buy When I Have Some Freaking Cash. BeanBean is much more cooperative, and likes to flip through a memo book which I filled with letters and numbers. We're working on 1-to-1 correspondance this week. He used to be much better with this concept than he is now; it sort of fell by the wayside while I was in the third trimester with BooBah . I've started keeping a homeschool journal of the things that we're doing, and that will probably help me to accomplish something with the kids because I'll feel guilty if too many days go by with no entries. :LOL

We watched some figure skating on TV and both kids were enthralled. I tried to show them some cheerleaders on ESPN thinking that they might be entertained, but neither child was remotely interested. I've decided that the kids need to hear more good music and see more physical activities (which they'll never see if I rely on Mike and me getting our butts in gear ) so I'm going to see if I can get cable again. We really can't afford it, so I'll just get the line and no box if I can. Besides, if I have to watch Mary Poppins one more time....

I was wondering-- when you do Music Together or Suzuki, they encourage you to play music for the kids during the day, right? So can you just buy the CDs without the lessons, or maybe music books and CDs? If this computer was a bit more reliable, I'd scan eBay for some right now but as it is...
post #165 of 776
Woah, Rynna, I'll bet little BeanBean shocked the pediatrician, LOL.

Yes, there are TONS of websites, and that is the problem -- I can't find the good ones in the sea of thousands of ones that are not helpful. If anyone has any suggestions, please let me know.

Regarding Suzuki lessons, I think there needs to be a human teaching component for it to really work, but maybe that's what you are thinking about? It can't hurt to start playing the music now.
post #166 of 776
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Originally Posted by inezyv
Regarding Suzuki lessons, I think there needs to be a human teaching component for it to really work, but maybe that's what you are thinking about? It can't hurt to start playing the music now.
My understanding is that the lessons are (ideally) actually a small part of an immersion technique, wherein the child is constantly exposed to music. I don't think that BeanBean is ready for music lessons right now; he's much too active (though he really enjoys sitting still to learn new things...). Then, of course, there's the fact that Suzuki lessons are waaaaaaaay out of our budget for the forseeable future. If I could find any way at all to move my piano, I'd play for the kids regularly and I'd probably start pre-primer lessons with BeanBean this year, but that's about as unlikely as the Suzuki lessons happening, so I'm hoping to find some cheap/free CDs to start the process. I absolutely love music and I'm still ticked off that I didn't ever get to have lessons. I want my kids to be able to cultivate an interest and at least have an idea about what instrument they'd like to play; then I'll try to move mountains to get them lessons.
post #167 of 776
Hmmm... that's interesting about the Suzuki. Maybe I should play more of this CD my older dd's Suzuki violin teacher gave her!
post #168 of 776
Going OT a bit here. If you were to start from no toys and build a space for your dc to play...what sort of things would you choose that would really engage their imagination and creativity? Mine are 5, 3 and 20mo. Dh and I want to get rid of all the stuff they have and just start over this Christmas.
post #169 of 776
inezyv - I found this and it was helpful to me (it was on a gifted site) and more specific - hope it helps. I don't have a link so am pasting it.

Fine Motor

-transfers hand to hand, drops, recovers, and grasps objects 4-6 months
-neat pincer grasp 10-12 months
-towers 2 cubes, dumps and fills containers, scribbles with crayon, inverts a small container to obtain a tiny object, and puts pegs in pegboard 11-12 months
-imitates vertical, horizontal, and circular strokes with crayon; snips with scissors, puts tiny object into a small container, towers 6 cubes, strings a 1 inch bead, and imitates a train with cubes 22-24 months
-towers 9 cubes, strings half inch beads, imitates a bridge with cubes, and imitates a cross by 36 months

Cognitive

- 5 to 6 months: continues a familiar activity by initiating movements
involved (like clapping Mommy's hand to get her to sing Pat-a-Cake), plays
with paper, works for out of reach object, holds a small toy in each hand,
brings feet to mouth, distinguishes between friendly and angry voices.

- 6 to 10 months: plays Peekaboo, smells different things, plays 2 to 3
minutes with a single toy, looks for family members or pets when named,
responds to facial expressions, shows interest in sounds of objects, turns
toward source of sounds, responds to simple requests with gestures (waves
bye bye, etc...), looks at a picture in a book for one minute when named,
holds three cubes in hands.

- 9 to 12 months: guides action on toy manually, listens to familiar words,
overcomes obstacles to retrieve a toy, throws objects, drops toys on
purpose, uses locomotion to retrieve a toy then resumes play, reacts and
understands no, takes apart ring stack (11-12 puts it together), and moves
to rhythems.

- 12 to 15 months: imitates several new gestures, hands toy back to an
adult, enjoys messy activities, nests three cups, understands pointing,
reacts to various sensations, pats pictures in book, helps turn pages, pulls
a string vertically to retrieve an object, and recognizes several people in
addition to immediate family.

-15 to 18 months: imitates an "invisible gesture", matches objects, places
square piece in formboard, indicates two objects from a set of five familiar
objects ("give me the cup and the ball"), brings objects from another room
on request, identifies self in a picture, identifies one body part,
understands most nouns in environment, points to distant objects outdoors,
and recognizes and points to 4 pictures in a book.

- 18 to 24 months: activates a mechanical toy, points to several clothing
items on request, recognizes self in photo, matches objects to pictures,
matches sound to animal, enjoys nursey rhymes and fingerplays, rights
familiar pictures, identifies three to six body parts, understands personal
pronouns and some action verbs and adjectives, places triangle piece in
formboard, remembers where objects belong, turns pages of a book, identifies
5 to 7 pictures, and turns pages one at a time.

- 24 to 30 months: understands concept of one, demonstrates use of objects,
identifies rooms of own house, identifies clothing objects for different
occassions, enjoys tactile books, finds detail in favorite picture book,
recognizes familiar adult in photo, engages in pretend play, knows more body
parts (elbow, chin, etc...), selects correct picture for action verbs (Which
child is sleeping? Show me playing.), obeys two step commands, understands
complex and compound sentences (If you do this... we will do that.), gives
one out of many, and matches shapes or colors.

-30 to 36 months: knows sex of self and family members, listens to longer
stories, understands many action verbs, identifies objects with their use
(show me what you eat with.), identifies body parts with their functions,
matches primary colors, sorts shapes-circle, square, triangle, completes a
four piece puzzle, understands size (show me the little spoon), understands
concept of two, enjoy being read to and looks at books independently, plays
house, points to 6 body parts on a doll, understands more adjectives, and
points to several colors when named.

Gross Motor skills

Note- crawling is moving on stomach with arms and legs
and creeping is on hands and knees.

- 4 to 6 months: bears weight on hands on stomach, extends hips, back, and
head when held in ventral suspension (Superman position), sits momentarily
leaning on hands, rolls from back to side, pivots in a circle when on
stomach, moves head (turns to look) when in supported sitting, and bears
some weight on legs.

- 5 to 8 months: sits independently indefinately but may lean on hands then
closer to 7 months sits without hands for up to 1 minute, bears almost all
weight on legs, lifts head and assists when pulled by arms to a sitting
position from back, rolls back to stomach, extends arms to keep from falling
forward or to side when sitting, reaches for a toy when propped on hands on
stomach, gets into sitting without help, pulls to stand and stands holding
on (6 to 10), crawls backward then later crawls forward, rocks on hands and
knees (8-9).

- 8 to 11 months: goes from sitting to stomach, sits without support
indefinately, makes stepping motions with hands held, lowers to sit form the
standing at furniture, creeps on hands and knees, stands alone momentarily
then stands alone for a few seconds (11-13), walks holding furniture, twists
to pick up toys when sitting, and creep on hands and feet (up to 12 months).

- 11 to 15 months: stoops to pick up a toy while holding on the returns to
standing, creeps over obstacles to reach toys, stands at furniture by
lifting one foot first, walks with both hands held (10 -12) then walks with
one hand held (11-13), walks alone a few steps (11.5-13.5), stands alone
well, maintains kneeling, falls by sitting, stands up from floor without
support, rolls a ball cooperatively, and throws a ball, creeps upstairs, and
walks without support.

(just a note about normal walking. A child can learn to walk alone
anywhere from 8 to 16 months "normally". Generally if a child is not walking
by 17 months I will suggest a visit to a neurologist or PND to rule out a
problem. Sometimes a child may have some low muscle tone (be a little
floppy) and that causes later walking because muscles are not as ready to
move so it is harder to maintain posture and move. Low muscle tone often has
no underlying cause but getting it checked to make sure can't hurt.)

-15 to 18 months: walks backward and sideways a few steps, runs (hurried
walk), walks into a ball in an attempt to kick, throws a ball forward in a
certain direction, pulls a toy behind while walking, stands on one foot with
help (like putting on pants), carries a large toy while walking, pushes and
pulls boxes, and turns to sit in a child size chair.

- 18-24 months: kicks a ball forward, rides a toy without pedals (pushes
with feet), runs fairly well, climbs into an adult size chair and turns to
sit, walks upstairs and downstairs holding a hand or railing placing one
foot on each step, stoops or squats during play, and jumps with both feet
leaving the ground.

- 24 to 30 months: goes up and down slide, walks on tiptoes, walks backward
10 feet, walks with legs closer together and arms swinging a little, catches
a large ball with arms in front on body, imitates simple movements of arms
and legs, walks upstairs and downstairs alone both feet on each step, jumps
from bottom step, stands on one foot a few seconds, and jumps about 8 feet
forward and over a string tied 2 inches high.

- 30 to 36 months: walks downstairs and upstairs alternating feet on steps,
pedals a tricycle, hops on one foot, jumps 14 feet forward, stands on one
foot up to 5 seconds, walks on tiptoes 10 feet, climbs jungle gyms and
ladders, jumps 24 inches forward, catches an 8 inch ball, runs avoiding
obstacles and turning sharp corners.






Receptive Language (Understanding of language)

- 5 to 7 months: appears by facial and body gesture to understand meanings
like friendly vs. angry voices, appears to recognize some words like
"daddy", "mommy", or "bottle", stops momentarily when told no (hard to
assess unless the baby is able to crawl), responds with appropriate arm
gestures to words like up, hi, and bye, and pays attention to music.

-7 to 9 months: frequently appears to listen to conversations of others,
stops activity and looks when name is called, appears to recognize the names
of a few common objects by looking at them when their names are spoken,
appears to understand simple verbal requests like "come here", regularly
stops activity in response to "no", and will look at a picture 1 minute when
named by an adult.

- 9 to 11 months: appears to enjoy listening to names of new words,
generally able to listen to speech without being distracted by other sounds,
gives a toy or object on verbal request (no hand held out), occassionally
follows simply requests like "put that down", appears to understand simple
"where"type questions like "where is the ball? or where is daddy?", and
moves to music.

- 11 to 13 months: demonstrates understanding by responding with appropriate
head and body gestures to several kinds of verbal requests (like pointing to
a picture when asked, or clapping to pat-a-cake), shows intense attention to
speech for prolonged periods of time, demonstrates understanding by making
appropriate verbal responses to frequent requests (like "say byebye"),
appears to understand new words each week, seems to understand the feelings
of most speakers, and will sustain interest in a picture in a book for 2
minutes when named.

- 14 to 16 months: carries out double verbal requests (like "go get the ball
and bring it to me"), can recognize and point to many objects or pictures of
objects when named, clearly recognizes and names or points to large body
parts.

- 16 to 18 months: comprehends simple questions, learns and associates new
words each week in broad categories (such as names of food items, clothing,
animals, etc...), and can pick up two familiar objects from a group of five
objects ("give me the ball and the spoon" said as one command).

- 18 to 20 months:upon verbal request points to several body parts and items
of clothing in a picture, responds appropriately to action verbs like "sit
down", "come here", "stop that", and understands distinctions of personal
pronouns (give it to her or give it to me).

- 20 to 24 months: follows a series of three very simple but related
commands ("Go into your room, get the shoe, and bring it to me."),
recognizes new words daily, recognizes and identifies most common objects
and pictures of common objects when named, appears to understand the meaning
of longer sentences ("If you pick this up, you will get a snack." or "when
we get home you can have a drink.")

- 24 to 27 months: demonstrates understanding of several action words by
choosing the appropriate picture (ie. "show me sleeping" or "which children
are playing"), now able to point to 3 or more small body parts like chin,
elbow, eyebrow, ankle, recognizes some extended family name categories (like
poppop, cousin, aunt...)

- 27 to 30 months: demonstrates understanding of word category associations
by identifying functions (can do with pictures- "what do you eat with?" or
"what do you wear?", and now can point to or name any common object.

- 30 to 33 months: demonstrates understanding of most common verbs, responds
meaningfully to very long complex sentences and commands, and demonstrates
understanding of most common adjectives ("which ball is small?")

- 33 to 36 months: asks questions and shows interest in explanations of
"why" things are and "how" things function, can carry out three or more
verbal commands given in one utterance, and understands prepositions ("put
the cube under the cup", or on, in, in front of, behind, etc...)

Expressive Language (what the child says)

- 5 to 7 months: takes initiatiative in vocalizing and babbling directly at
others, begins to frequently use 2 syllable babbling and occassionally 3
syllables, plays at making sounds whether alone or with others, vocalizes in
response to name at least half the time, uses some word-like vocalizations
(appears to be naming some things in his/her own language), shouts for
attention, babbles double consonant sounds (dada, baba), and waves or
responds to bye-bye (6 to 9)

- 7 to 9 months: vocalizes in sentence-like jargon, babbles single consonant
sounds (ba, da), plays speech gesture games (like pat-a-cake and
peek-a-boo), uses some gesture language (points or shakes head "no"),
vocalizes in response to music, often mimics the sounds and number of
syllables used in vocal stimulation by others, and begins to produce more of
these sounds in babbling: b,m,p,d,t,n,g,k,w,h,f,v,th,s,z,l,r (should produce
them frequently between 7 to 15 months).

- 9 to 11 months: speaks first word (often dada or mama), uses some
exclamations like uh-oh, uses alot of jargon speech (short utterances of 4+
syllables with no true words), vocalizes in jargon when playing alone,
initiates speech gesture games, occassionally tries to imitate new words.

- 11 to 14 months: uses 3 or more words with some consistency (may include
mama and dada as words) (11-12 months), "talks" to toys, objects, and people
throughout the day, vocalizes to songs or rhymes (sings or recites along),
uses 5 or more true words (12 to 14 months), vocalizes along with gestures
to obtain a desired object, some true words heard in jargon, repeats sounds
or gestures if laughed at, unable to talk while walking and speech may
plateau as child learns to walk, omits some initial and final consonant
sounds on words, and experiments with communication but does not get
frustrated when not understood.

- 14 to 18 months: consistently uses 7-20 single words, uses many consonant
sounds frequently, most communication now accomplished by using some true
words and frequent gestures (as gets closer to 18 months uses words rather
than gestures to get needs met), repeats words used in conversation, and has
a continual but gradual increase in speaking vocabulary (at least 3-4 new
words a month).

- 18 to 22 months: imitates then begins to form his own 2 and 3-word
sentences, imitates environmental sounds during play (animal sounds, car
motors, etc...), speaking vocabulary at least 10 to 20 words, speaks new
words each week, attempts to tell about experiences using a combination or
true words and jargon, and names 2 pictures.

-22 to 24 months: uses 3-word sentences, refers to self by name, begins to
use pronouns but may make syntax errors ("we goed" instead of "we went"),
uses nouns, verbs, and modifiers in speech, uses intelligible words about 65
% of the time, sings phrases of songs.

- 24 to 27 months: usually uses 2 to 3-word sentences, correctly uses some
personal pronouns (I, you, he, she, it, me), asks for help verbally for some
personal needs (dressing, toileting, or washing hands), requests new words
(asks or points "what's that?"), names 5 pictures, frustrated when not
understood, and expressive vocabulary of 50+ words consistently (24 to 30
months).

- 27 to 30 months: names and identifies at least one color correctly, refers
to self using a pronoun rather than by name, uses size words, answers
questions, replaces jargon with sentences, and talks intelligently to self
(up to 36 months).

- 30 to 33 months: tells gender when asked "Are you a girl or a boy?", names
and talks about what she has drawn or scribbled (24 to 33 months), gives
both first and last name when asked, participates in story telling, recites
a few nursery rhymes, vocabulary of 200 or more words.

- 33 to 36 months: vocabulary of 300 to 1000 words, regularly can relate
past experiences, uses several verb forms correctly when relating experience
or explaining what is going on in a picture, uses plurals correctly in
speech, asks what, where, and when questions, intelligible at least 80% of
the time.

Self Help Skills

- 4 to 8 months: recognizes bottle visually, places hands on bottle (holds
own bottle 5 to 9 months), mouths solid foods, sleeps nights with
occassional awakening, naps 2 to 3 times a day, feeds self a cracker, and
bites and chews on toys.

- 9 to 12 months: feeds self finger foods, holds a spoon, sleeps 12-14 hours
a night, naps 1-2 times a day, and cooperates with dressing (pushes arm
through sleeve or leg through pants).

- 12 to 18 months: spoon feeding- 12 to 15 months spoon to mouth but may
turn it over and 15 to 24 months scoops food and feeds self with some
spilling, holds and drinks from a cup, indicates discomfort over soiled
diaper verbally or by gesture, sleeps 10-12 hours a night, naps once in the
afternoon, removes socks, removes hat, and places hat on head.

- 18 to 24 months: gives empty dish to an adult, gives up bottle,
distinguishes between edible and inedible objects, chews food completely,
removes shoes when laces undone, unzips or zips a large zipper, sits on
potty chair with help, plays with food, may be toilet regulated by an adult,
helps wash and dry hands, anticipates need to use potty but uses same word
for both functions, opens doors turning a knob, imitates adult household
tasks, and unwraps foods.

- 24 to 30 months: puts shoes on (21 to 31), understands common dangers
(stairs, stove, strange animals), handles fragile items carefully, helps put
things away, holds spoon in fingers with palm up, pulls pants up or down
with help, unbuttons large buttons, washes hands, brushes teeth. Uses toilet
with assistance having daytime control, anticipates need to eliminate in
time, and undresses self (all 24-36 months).

- 30 to 36 months: dresses self with minimal help, wipes nose, may reject
many foods, insists on doing things independently, knows proper place for
own things, pours liquids from small container, uses fork and napkin,
buttons large buttons, dries hands, helps bathe self, distinguishes between
urination and bowel movements, shows interest in setting table, verbalizes
need to use the toilet and takes responsibility for toileting, sleeps 10-15
hours daily, may eliminate naps, and blows nose.


Social Emotional Skills

- 6 to 8 months: expresses protest (resists when adult tries to take toy
away), discriminates strangers and shows anxiety over separating from
mother, smiles or pats or vocalizes to mirror image, strong mother
attachment, enjoys social play, repeats enjoyable activity, enjoys frolic
type play, lifts arms to mother to be picked up, and explores adult facial
features.

- 9 to 11 months: responds by turning head, eye contact, and smile to name
called, responds to verbal requests as in nursery rhymes or wave bye,
repeats performance laughed at, begins to understand "no", cooperates in
games (6 to 10 mos), shows like and dislike for people and situations,
extends toy to others but does not release, tests parental reactions during
feeding and bedtime, engages in simple imitative play, explores environment
enthusiastically.

- 12 to 15 months: gives toy to adult upon request, increased dependence on
mother during walking stage, wants to be in constant sight and hearing of an
adult, stranger anxiety reappears (15 months), displays distractible
behavior, needs and expects rituals and routines, plays ball cooperatively,
enjoys being the center of attention in family, hugs and kisses parents,
shows toy preferences.

- 15 to 18 months: imitates grownup activities, picks up and puts away toys
on request, parallel play predominates (plays next to but not interacting
with other children her age), temper tantrums common (18 months).

- 18 to 24 months: begins to claim and defend ownership of personal things,
initiates own play activities, enjoys role playing (feeds or puts dolls to
bed), desires control of others (orders, fights, resists), feels easily
frustrated, interacts with peers using gestures, enjoys solitary play
(coloring, building with blocks, looking at books) for a few minutes, enjoys
rough and tumble play, experiences a strong sense of self importance,
attempts to comforts others in distress.

- 24 to 30 months: rigid and inflexible behavior, displays shyness with
strangers and in outside situations, holds parent's hand outdoors, strongly
possessive of loved ones, displays dependent behavior (clingy or whines),
meets new people and enjoys a wide range of relationships with people, says
no but submits anyway, tends to be physically aggressive, frustration
tantrums peak, relates best to one familiar adult at a time, initiates own
play but requires supervision to carry out ideas, fatigues easily, dawdles
and procrastinates, values own property (uses "mine" frequently), takes
pride in clothing, becomes aware of sex differences, and may develop sudden
fears.

- 30 to 36 months: begins associative play, names and points to self in a
photo, plays simple group games (cooperative play) with adult help, joins in
nursery rhymes and songs, verbal scolding replaces physical aggressiveness,
separates easily from mother in familiar surroundings, demonstrates extreme
emotional shifts, begins to respect and obey simple rules, tends to be
dictatorial and demanding, talks in a loud an urgent voice, resists change
(very ritualistic), experiences difficulty with transitions, and takes pride
in own achievements (resists help).
post #170 of 776
Very interesting list, Destinye! (Where did you get it?) It's fascinating to see where DD falls on this at 20 months. For fine motor she is right at age level; for cognitive she is at 30-36 months; for gross motor she is ahead on a few things, but basically at age level, except for stair-climbing (we don't have any at our house); for receptive language she is at 33 to 36 months; for expressive language she is at 33 to 36 months; for self-help she is mostly at age level, but behind on some stuff (interesting, though I think what they do in this category has a lot to do with parenting styles); for social-emotional she is at age level, mostly, although she also has some traits of 30-36 months (but none of 24-30 months, for some reason).

There it is in living color, eh? Asynchronicity!
post #171 of 776
loraxc I found it on a yahoo list I belong to.

DD is also all over the chart!

Fine motor she is mostly at age level then one day stacked 9 blocks, and never bothered to do it again lol. Lately she likes simple puzzles and can do them quite well for the 2 to 3 yo old range but have not tried her on any others.

Cognitive she is at mostly at 30-36 months - except have not really told her about her gender though she is more correctly identifying boys and girls she sees - not that I can always tell myself lol!

Gross motor she is at 24 to 30 months or so which is surprising as she did not walk until later, now she climbs up and down the big kid slide and can do stairs well but has no fear though lately she keeps pointing out places she fell and saying things like "wet floor, fall down hurt self" so is more aware and cautious thank goodness!

Receptive language she is at 30 to 33 months or more, not sure!

Expressive language she is probably at 33 to 36 months though not so advanced on sentence structure she has a huge vocabulary.

Self-help skills she is 18 to 24 mo too definitely maybe parenting styles I agree. She does wipe and blow her nose though and tells us when she needs her diaper changed, and has used the potty a couple of times but now does not seem interested again.

Social-emotional she is mostly on target but she has recognized herself in a photo for some time, and joins in nursery rhymes and songs, resists help, and takes pride in own achievements, in some ways she seems younger than she is (very extremely attached to me still) and in some ways older.
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I'm running, so am just posting a quick update. The teacher responded to my note w/ a note back stating the dd is doing fine and I shouldn't worry if she didn't get everything right . However she did agree to reassess her on the areas where she didn't do too well (phone # and counting).

Since dd isn't upset, I am going to let it go at this point.

Just quick, regarding the new poster (can't remember your name), your child may surprise you. Even is she doesn't strike you as the genius level that our kiddo apparently come off as , you never know. My older dd didn't read at two or do anything that I thought was amazing at the time, just normal "bright" kid stuff. Your dd sounds a lot like her developmentally. My dd is now seven and I am constantly reevaluating how bright she actually is -- I suspect that she might be a lot brighter than I initially thought.
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DD does not distinguish boys from girls (they are all "kids" or "babies"), but she does distinguish "ladies" from "guys." Interesting. I don't know if she knows that she is a girl as defined in opposition to a boy, if that make sense.

How I wish she would blow her own nose! LOL. I have attempted to teach her but she just blows very lightly and it doesn't work. She also has been very uninterested in using utensils and dressing/undressing. I don't know if it's that she can't, per se, but she really doesn't want to. And I think I blew it with potty training for a while--she was interested at about 16 months, but that seemed too early, and now she is very vehemently NOT interested.

DD was stacking many blocks (like 10) very early, but she still shows almost no ability, aptitude, or interest in puzzles. She also doesn't open doors. She is generally not "into things" the way many toddlers are, and this interests me. I know some gifted kids open and get into everything--she would never do this. She seems somewhat incurious about how "stuff" works.
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Destinye-- I think you've got creeping and crawling mixed up-- creeping is moving on the stomach, crawling is hands & knees.

BooBah did all of that gross motor stuff waaaaaay early, and most of the fine motor things, too. :LOL I don't know if she can jump with two feet off the ground, but she can turn a sommersault-- that's got to count for something! :LOL

The gender thing is interesting, too... BeanBean did that much earlier than I expected, BooBah just doesn't seem to care at this point. BeanBean figured out by the time he was 10 months old that he was more like daddy than mommy, and could tell me that he was a boy by the time he was BooBah's age, and his cousins were girls; grownups came slightly later. He refused to say that daddy was a boy, but when he learned that "man" means "grown up boy" then it was all good. Now he gets irritated with me if I don't make the distinction. :LOL

I'm working on getting BooBah to blow her nose, but when I tell her to blow she puffs like she's blowing on hot food. She'll get there, but it's such an icky time waiting for it, when they're too big for the suction bulb but too little to blow... :LOL
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HA HA HA! Sammy STILL can't blow his nose (not with any force anyway). I love having a kid who can read, but still needs his nose suctioned out with a bulb syringe. Try having her blow candles out with her nose, that's supposed to work, maybe you'll have better luck than me .

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Well its interesting early on how their individual personalities come out, even before they are born actually! DD is very much into everything and a typical toddler in that respect, turns everything on and off, and climbs on the kitchen table, my desk and is very adventurous. Lucky me! The blocks seemed like "well that was boring" and she was done but she likes the Melissa and Doug puzzles and I got the alphabet one at Goodwill for 50 cents and she loves it!

I was wondering when your DD was actually born as she is so close in age to mine, who was born 1/19 just curious (astrologically) as they seem to have different personality types despite being so close in age, I myself am an INFJ in Myers Briggs and DD is a major extrovert, which is not always easy! I see my own traits in her of not being very patient or methodical though, jumping from A to D and by-passing B and C.

Anyhow just wanted to say the Richard Scarry books were a great success and got the word one and a mother goose by him from the library and she loves them, as well as the In the Night Kitchen which *is* weird but she likes it! Also enjoying the eye-spy and I have got more story books and she is enjoying them, I think I was boring the poor child and trying to make my reading more fun too! She never let DH read to her though.

She also likes the Fairy Dreams book someone else recommended, and it is a beautiful book indeed! So thanks for the recommendations.
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Destinye-- I think you've got creeping and crawling mixed up-- creeping is moving on the stomach, crawling is hands & knees.
I just cut and pasted it and not sure of the original source I also noticed this: jumps about 8 feet forward and jumps 14 feet forward. Wow! It was from a gifted group link though and may have been translated from Japanese, which may explain it!
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Very interesting list, Destinye! (Where did you get it?) It's fascinating to see where DD falls on this at 20 months. For fine motor she is right at age level; for cognitive she is at 30-36 months; for gross motor she is ahead on a few things, but basically at age level, except for stair-climbing (we don't have any at our house); for receptive language she is at 33 to 36 months; for expressive language she is at 33 to 36 months; for self-help she is mostly at age level, but behind on some stuff (interesting, though I think what they do in this category has a lot to do with parenting styles); for social-emotional she is at age level, mostly, although she also has some traits of 30-36 months (but none of 24-30 months, for some reason).

There it is in living color, eh? Asynchronicity!
I wish you lived near me. My dd is almost 19 months and places almost how yours does in relation to each category! And she needs a friend like herself!!!
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BeanBean figured out by the time he was 10 months old that he was more like daddy than mommy, and could tell me that he was a boy by the time he was BooBah's age, and his cousins were girls; grownups came slightly later.
Interesting that he got kids first, whereas my DD is the reverse. I think she's focusing on hair and breasts--and since her own hair is still boy-short and some of the boys she plays with have long hair, no wonder she's confused about other toddlers!

Destinye, I actually went into labor on 1/19, but DD wasn't born till 6 am on 1/21. (It was quite the lengthy effort, getting this kid out.) A midwifery student who was at the birth told me DD was born on an astrological cusp and that this was somehow significant. I don't know anything about this stuff, though.

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I wish you lived near me. My dd is almost 19 months and places almost how yours does in relation to each category! And she needs a friend like herself!!!
DD is in a playgroup that is usually all boys but her, and most of them are not really verbal yet (maybe 20 words), so she is very different from those peers...but it's still interesting to see how they interact. It would be kind of nice to have momfriends around whom I am not self-conscious about DD.

I notice that she will talk to older kids (like, 3 and up) but doesn't talk to toddlers her own age.
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