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post #81 of 130
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Not to get off topic, but I posted an awful lot of this type of history of xianity "useless" information ( I would call it yummy, not useless) over on the Magickal Christians thread.
Eeekk. Sorry I guess I missed your thread, so I reposted all the same stuff you did. I don't usually hang out here. I'll check it out. Do you have any other good stuff - (won't call it useless anymore).

Panetti's is carried by Borders and Barnes & Noble. He also has a book about endings (how everyone died and about death in general) and fads. He's way cool. Kind of like a literary Cliff from Cheers.
post #82 of 130
I'm late on this as usual

I like the term Happy Holidays when addressing strangers. It's a greeting of goodwill and cheer. Kind of like saying, "hope you have a great day and are happy." But in a more seasonal tone.

If I know people celebrate Christmas, I still say Happy Holidays, out of habit.

If someone wishes me Merry Christmas, I say "merry Christmas to you too." "If I am wished a Happy Hannukkah, I'll do the same back to that person.

People have even wished be a "Blessed Day" when I wasn't a Christian and I would say thank you, and wish them one back.

I knew it wasn't meant to be exclusive or presumptuous, but done out of kindness for me.

I think we all need to wish each other joy and happiness more often, and not just during the Holiday/Winter Season.

Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays Mommies!
post #83 of 130
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tara, why couldn't you have come in with that two pages ago, or were you just having fun watching the rest of us struggle to get to the frreakin point?
Heh. Nope - I just don't have the time to keep up with this thread!!

merebear: I appreciate that you tried to use my example to understand where we're coming from... (And, I wish I hadn't missed your 'indecent' post! ) I wish it had done the trick, but like Sunmountain said, you can't really get it until you've lived the life. And, to be honest, with the exception of a short stint of church-going in my childhood, I have not lived anything approaching the life of a devout Christian... I have appreciated learning more about it on MDC, though... Honestly.
post #84 of 130
I'm late too!

I never say "Merry Christmas" unless I knew it was expected (like with a grandma!).

I have said 'Happy Holidays' on occasion, when it seemed warranted. If I felt for some reason I should wish a greeting to a stranger, I would use Happy Holidays, but even that might bother me...what if they were totally against all celebrations? I just try to be very attuned to the situation I am in...

Heartmama
post #85 of 130
Britishmum my partner is from IRL and totally feels that way you do about the holidays. They all say Happy Christmas. And every year I hear "Christmas isn't the same in the states as it is at home." So fear your not the only one who feels this way.
post #86 of 130
I haven't read all of the replys but, the ones I have read well, one in paticular. Gets my goose. I am going to make an effort to not say jack to anyone about any holiday ever. Because how dare I imply that they celebrate anything and be offended by my simply wishing them a happy anything.

To those of you less sensitive HAPPY HOLIDAYS.
post #87 of 130
ASHERAH WHERE A SIGN TO LET EVERYONE KNOW THAT YOU DON'T WANT TO BE WISHED HAPPY ANYTHING!!!!
post #88 of 130
Adb252001,

Please go back and read the rest of the thread regarding sensitivity and respect for others feelings. Also read back and find that most are not offended by holiday greetings. Finally, using capital letter on boards in my experience is consider to be like yelling and many may find it rude.
post #89 of 130
ditto what Greenfrogs said.

Also know, adb252001, that most of us on this thread are well aquainted with eachother, we try really hard to be sensitive to eachothers' feelings, and next time before you post, read the whole thread. When they go on for a few pages that is usually the best route to take before posting on such a hot topic.

And welcome to MDC , I see you are relatively new here!
post #90 of 130
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Sunmountain - no flames here.

But I think that many Americans make assumptions about the British because of our history.Rather like they talk about the land of the free as if it were the only democracy in the world. And so, although my country has a history of religious fervour (as does the US, incidentally), modern day British citizens do not have religion dictated to them any more than you do.

Interestingly, our average Christian church is far less involved in politics or dictating the way people should live than yours. I have never heard of a church promoting anything like Ezzo, nor do Christians circumcise in the UK (something brought into fashion over here by some fairly extreme Puritans) The Church simply doesnt get involved in political issues, apart from the occasional bland statement about caring for the needy when an unpopular bill comes before Parliament. Eg, abortion is not an issue in British politics. But maybe I'm going too far T and am going to land in deeper hot water here......

The concept of religious education fascinates me. Our family went to a hannukah celebration last week. I was raised in the UK, where religious education is part of the curriculum, although parents can have their child withdrawn if they wish. (Note the term 'education' which is different to talking about worship) Dh was raised here in the US, and until he met me was critical of the British policy of educating about religions.

On the way there, he asked me to give him a lesson about Hannukah.

I wonder, how powerful is education in countering prejudice? Personally, I'd prefer my child to learn about different belief systems and have knowledge and therefore respect for them. You would probably counter this with the fact that you will do this at home. But how many parents won't ? And so another generation grows up in ignorance and prejudice.

So I don't think our differences over using Christmas greetings, is that simple. There are probably a myriad of reasons why the two cultures see things differently, and I strongly disagree with the implication that 21st century British Christians are insensitive but that British non-Christians tolerate it because they are used to persecution. :
post #91 of 130
Britishmum,

To stay with you ot topic. I think religious education could be a very important way to eliminate prejudice and the dreaded pcism. In my personal experience, there was a period in which we did not discuss religion openly, possibly out of the fear of offending. Now we talk about all aspect of the diversity we have in my community and this includes religion. However, I do not think that would work very well in the united states because of our particular version of separation of church and state. That being said in school I did have some exposure to other religions beside christianity in the class room, but it was very culturally based rather than religiosly based.
post #92 of 130
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Originally posted by Britishmum
Rather like they talk about the land of the free as if it were the only democracy in the world.
I totally agree with you. This is one (just one) of my pet peeves about my country. And I am in the minority (not specifically here at MDC). I should probably don the flame proof suit here, but I find Americans in genreal to be extremely misinformed about the world in general and very arrogant. We have an attitude that we own the world and all other nations better bow to our demands and agendas. It's an embarassment to me.

Sorry to take the thread O/T
post #93 of 130
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Originally posted by Britishmum
I wonder, how powerful is education in countering prejudice? Personally, I'd prefer my child to learn about different belief systems and have knowledge and therefore respect for them. :
Good point. My oldest goes to a Montessori School where for the winter holiday they are comparing and contrasting religious celebrations. TO see a room of K-2nd graders talking about Kwanza and Hanukah, and Yule and Christmas without judgment or predjudice is AMAZING!!! Just wide eyed questions.

So when my sister asked my 6 year old " So what are you doing for Christmas at your school?"

My 6 year old girl's reply was "

"Well, first not EVERYONE is Christian, so we celebrate ALL the holidays and that is MUCH more fun"


Just to be silly and strange, sometime when people wish me a Merry Christmans I will either say " And a Blessed Yuletide!" or
"And May The Force Be With You!"

But I'm goofy that way......
post #94 of 130
Britishmum, I am with you

i guess i misunderstood about the "religious education" bit b/c you only mentioned the birth of Jesus. No flaming here either.

And Arduinna, I agree, some Americans are quite pompous and arrogant about our own gov't.
post #95 of 130
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""Well, first not EVERYONE is Christian, so we celebrate ALL the holidays and that is MUCH more fun""

How wonderful!

I loved working in really multicultural schools in London. We seemed to be celebrating every week! And some of the food brought in by some of the families was amazing, my personal favourite was Diwali ...............sigh. It was wonderful, and very exciting.

But I realise it wouldn't work in the US school system. It's just different. But I'd like my children to be exposed to the wonder of different people's beliefs and celebrations. Dd loved dancing when we celebrated Hannukah with friends last week, and talked about it for days afterwards. A couple of weeks before that, we went out for a 'Laterne' parade with our German friends. Now we look forward to celebrating some of our traditions with others. (Particularly the mince pies and mulled wine. )

T My threads usually die after two posts. Never thought I'd manage 100.
post #96 of 130
I don the "threadkiller" title for a reason:
post #97 of 130
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Originally posted by Britishmum
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But I realise it wouldn't work in the US school system. It's just different. But I'd like my children to be exposed to the wonder of different people's beliefs and celebrations. [/B]
I'm in the US- kinda, and I find that Montessori in general ( and other schools like that such as Waldorf, Free Schools, Grassroots) DO keep such an open air about religion, spirit, minority and majorty privelege.

Check your area alternative schools!

Tomm we make Kwanza place mats for the Kwanza celebration!!!
post #98 of 130
I never understood just how pervasive the white, middle class culture is in this country until I became best friends with a Jewish family and sent my kids to a predominately Jewish, then Muslim public school. She even celebrates non-religious aspects of the winter holidays, but it pains me that my holiday receives such social support and her highes holy days are largely ignored. It has made me much more aware of how I present myself to others I do not know. I do not wish to be presumptuous.
post #99 of 130
I think religious education really could work here in public schools. And, it's the perfect atmosphere. The problem would be that in America, when you think religion, you generally think Christianity, and ppl would have to quell the uproar before any understanding took place.

We are a nation of assumptions, it seems. The Four Agreements should be required reading in our high school English and Literature classes.

PS: Am I the only person who has a problem w/Kwanzaa?
post #100 of 130
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Originally posted by Chaka Falls
Am I the only person who has a problem w/Kwanzaa?
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