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post #101 of 139
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Originally Posted by tayndrewsmama
How many people here have "issues" or family members with "issues" have had heavy metal testing done? Of those of you, have any of those tests come back with all good results for the one suffering?

I am trying to connect some dots here and answers to these questions would really help me out.
Everyone in our household had extremely high levels of uranium. My mom's was worst and she has had yeast problems. I was second and I may have had the most serious yeast case. My husband was third and I am not all too sure how bad his gut is. My son wasn't tested but is probably competing with my husband for 3rd place, or perhaps with me for 2nd.
post #102 of 139
well, posting again! still researching and trying to figure this all out. I have ordered fish oil and clo for us, can anyone tell me the dosage for a 14 m.o.?

I think perhaps we should really look into this SCD, but I am very intimidated. It seems so complicated to me. I keep hoping it will all improve without doing so, I know that is the wrong attitude. We have gave up dairy, oats, eggs, and chicken; and just dropped chocolate. Of course giving up dairy was very intimidating as well, I now find that it is relatively easy; although I can pretty much just eat at home. I really, really, gotta give up the sugar though.

Oh, and I was wondering I bought this Ezekiel bread as it is gluten and dairy free, it is super yummy, and from what I have read seems to be good. Is there any way I can make that myself, it is very expensive! I read in a book I had that after you grow sprouts you can dry them and grind them for flour, is that how they make the bread from sprouts?

well, I am rambling. I am just trying to figure this all out. It is very frustrating when it seems the truth is hidden from you. It is also frustrating to have your intuition squashed and dismissed. I have been saying for months that I thought luke had a dairy issue, but know it must be teething, or whatever else. I have also thought that it is odd that whatever he eats almost always comes out the same as it comes in, but this was dismissed as well.

you ladies are a big inspiration! I think it is fabulous the lengths you are going through to take care of your children.
post #103 of 139
Yay, progress!!

We officially started the SCD yesterday. Ds1 agreed to eat eggs if I cooked them with honey, and he actually ate them! We only did the intro diet for one day though as he wouldn't eat most of the foods on it and both boys ended up vomitting this morning so I wanted to get SOME food into them. They are now eating some cooked fruit and veggies.

I think ds2 is already having some die off issues. He was beyond hyper today and spent almost 2 full hours running around screaming (with joy) before bed. I am feeling more confident in our ability to pull this thing off. I refuse to give up my morning strong coffee with double cream though :LOL
post #104 of 139
RE: SCD and chelation

This has been discussed many times on the Pecanbread Yahoo list, since that is focused on SCD for treating autism. I don't know what I think about it. On the one hand, SCD heals the gut and therefore allowing the kids to absorb their nutrients. This opens the detox pathways of the body which are damaged by the metals and helps the body get them out slowly and naturally.

However, the reading I've done says that mercury stays in the brain unless chelated out. (Using alpha lipoic acid on a strict protocol, not once a day). And so many people are saying their kids guts aren't healing until they chelate the metals out.

The SCD really hasn't tested this, and I'm treating it as hearsay right now. I'm surprised that Elaine made this claim without testing it.

And here, we are really not seeing that great of progress with DS. He takes 2 steps forward and 2 steps back, it's been very frustrating. (With myself, I see huge strides.) I'm not even sure how he's tolerating the enzymes or if they are helping him. (I love them however.)

Although I am giving him Nordic Naturals CLO with peach flavoring didn't think of that.

This is the hardest thing I think I've ever imagined facing in my life. I don't want to risk making the wrong decision, which is horrible b/c I feel some wrong decisions led us here in the first place.

When DH and I spending 4-5 hours in a 24 hr period trying to get this kid to sleep we realize maybe we have to be a bit more proactive and get this kid's nervous system healed. But then I will read how chelating metals also chelates minerals and I freak out. Feeling very much like an ostrich right now.

I think I will start the yogurt soon and then see if we see any improvements. I hate him not eating dairy right now.
post #105 of 139
Loon,

I'm sure freezing will preserve it for several months. It does kill off some or most, not sure which, of the good bacteria. But if you are using it for cooking, it won't matter.

Have a GREAT trip!! (did I miss you already... hope not)
post #106 of 139
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Originally Posted by elisabeth
ALso, what's the deal with marscapone cheese? It isn't listed in BTVC as anything. I'm assuming it's a no-no, but I love the stuff. How do you fine out about stuff like that?
Probably not b/c it's a soft cream cheese type of cheese... all cheese has to ripen for at least 30 days to get rid of the lactose.
post #107 of 139
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Originally Posted by elisabeth
That would be so helpful! I should get onto one of those lists myself, but I don't really have much *net* time. I really appreciate it. I have one other question-where the heck is anyone getting farmer's cheese (DCCC) for these recipes? I have called several health food stores and NOONE can get it. I am bummed.
I get Friendship Farmer's Cheese at Whole Foods for the completely absurd price of $4.99 a package.

Here it is $1.99 but $10 shipping...
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/AS...127265-8340866

Here's some more sources:
http://www.scdiet.org/8resources/drycurd_sources.html
I just noticed a regular grocery store near me has it, I should stock up there. Haven't really used it though b/c of DS.
post #108 of 139
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Originally Posted by crunchy_mama
well, posting again! still researching and trying to figure this all out. I have ordered fish oil and clo for us, can anyone tell me the dosage for a 14 m.o.?

I think perhaps we should really look into this SCD, but I am very intimidated. It seems so complicated to me. I keep hoping it will all improve without doing so, I know that is the wrong attitude. We have gave up dairy, oats, eggs, and chicken; and just dropped chocolate. Of course giving up dairy was very intimidating as well, I now find that it is relatively easy; although I can pretty much just eat at home. I really, really, gotta give up the sugar though.

Oh, and I was wondering I bought this Ezekiel bread as it is gluten and dairy free, it is super yummy, and from what I have read seems to be good. Is there any way I can make that myself, it is very expensive! I read in a book I had that after you grow sprouts you can dry them and grind them for flour, is that how they make the bread from sprouts?

well, I am rambling. I am just trying to figure this all out. It is very frustrating when it seems the truth is hidden from you. It is also frustrating to have your intuition squashed and dismissed. I have been saying for months that I thought luke had a dairy issue, but know it must be teething, or whatever else. I have also thought that it is odd that whatever he eats almost always comes out the same as it comes in, but this was dismissed as well.

you ladies are a big inspiration! I think it is fabulous the lengths you are going through to take care of your children.
CLO for little ones: 1/2 tsp.

More info here on dosages: http://www.westonaprice.org/basicnut...fications.html

Great article: http://www.westonaprice.org/basicnut...dliveroil.html

Ezekiel bread:
I think there is a recipe in the Nutrition forum. There definately is in the Nourishing Traditions cookbook.

That is such a good point re: intuition!!! When my Luke was born, I thought his problems were yeast/digestive from day one and NO ONE believed me. And I couldn't find any info. then. And then when I starting thinking about metals. I will never doubt myself again. I might wrestle with the right direction in my own mind, but I will always closely listen to my Mama Voice and believe in it.

Hang in there, you will find your way. It is a lot of information at once to digest. :

Thank you for saying we are inspirational. For me, it really just came to a point where I had no choice in the matter! It's hard to change, and even harder to buck 99.99% of the rest of society. Especially with eating b/c that can be taken so personally by most people.
post #109 of 139
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Originally Posted by FreeRangeMama
Yay, progress!!

We officially started the SCD yesterday. Ds1 agreed to eat eggs if I cooked them with honey, and he actually ate them! We only did the intro diet for one day though as he wouldn't eat most of the foods on it and both boys ended up vomitting this morning so I wanted to get SOME food into them. They are now eating some cooked fruit and veggies.

I think ds2 is already having some die off issues. He was beyond hyper today and spent almost 2 full hours running around screaming (with joy) before bed. I am feeling more confident in our ability to pull this thing off. I refuse to give up my morning strong coffee with double cream though :LOL
:

Good luck!! Let us know how things are going
post #110 of 139
Thread Starter 
Wow! So many good things since I last checked in! I applaud all of you who are willing to change your lives and give up your time to take care of your children. I'm glad that this thread is an encouragement to many of you. When we start going back to traditional cooking and natural ways of healing we often catch crap from others esp. family members who don't understand. I'm blessed that my parents, husband, and friends have stood behind me all along this journey. I love that this is a supportive place for natural mamas .

Jane - You talked about helping Luke's nervous system. If you're interested in doing a urine test to check his neurotransmitter levels (these can greatly affect his calmness or lack thereof) I can give you the info. The supplements Sierra and I took were SCD legal and natural. They took my serotonin level from 45 to 299 in two months. Sierra also had a dramatic increase. Since the gut is injured it cannot produce neurotransmitters at a normal rate.

Can't remember who asked about the yoghurt makers - sorry. The problem with most is that they are only designed to run for 6 hours (normal yoghurt time) and overheat when left on for a longer period. Be careful with the yogourmet. I went through two that both made yoghurt which was very pleasing to the palate, but was overheating and killing the bacteria. Not only do you not get good beasties in your finished product, you also don't get a product that fermented for the full 24 hours. This results in yoghurt that still contains lactose - an illegal disaccharide.

Raw yoghurt is easier to make IMO. You also receive the beneficial enzymes since the milk has not been heated. Remember that goat milk is more easily digestible than cow and is closer to human milk. Goat milk has smaller proteins. Just heat the milk to 110 (enzymes begin to die at 117 and are all dead by 128). Add your starter (I use yogourmet) to 1 cup of the milk and mix. Add the rest of your milk and mix. Add to whatever warming device you choose. I always ferment for 25-26 hours just to be sure. Move immed. to the fridge and DO NOT TOUCH for 8 hours. I find that using raw goat milk makes the yoghurt too thin to drip. It just pours through the cheese cloth.

I was giving Bear 1/2 tsp of CLO, but her ND said it was fine to give 1 tsp. She is 20 mo.

I just received the enzyme book today. Will be reading soon.

Amanda and AmyD - Welcome and good to see you!

Peace to all,
post #111 of 139

Checking in from our trip

Well, we made it to Mom's house. After 24 hours of traveling. blech.

Jane I did miss your post, but I just figured I would go ahead and put the yogurt in the freezer anyway. Thanks for confirming!

Re: chelation It is a tough subject, isn't it? I think Elaine's letter is more pointing to Dr. Kevin Merigian endorsing the diet and supporting it as chelating. I think it would help to check out his work (if we could find it) to see what his studies show. I do believe that the SCD helps open the detox pathways as you stated in your post below. And that's definitely a help. Maybe measuring the metal levels before or at the beginning of the diet and then after being on the diet awhile would give more a more accurate picture. But we don't have that kind of information. Unless, again, Dr. Merigian's work shows it.

Re: dry curd cottage cheese Well, I sure haven't had any luck finding it here yet. I'm not even sure what it would be called here in this country (Italy.) So that's why right now I'm just using the dripped yogurt. Many of Lucy's recipes in her cookbook use dccc, but she states the substitute of dripped yogurt and 1/4 cup less water (don't have the book with me, so can't verify).
It's great that Amazon has the dccc but they definitely wouldn't ship to me right now. Not for that item anyway.

Also, Jane re: children's sleeping habits I sympathize on not being able to get your ds to sleep.
I've posted about my dd's sleeping habits before. The child is on a 25-26 hour day. Routines be damned. She will do the routine and then still continue to play becuase her energy just has not wound down yet. We slowly rotate around the clock every once in awhile. Once she falls asleep, she's just fine: sleeps well, rouses a few times, but nurses and goes back to sleep. But she just cannot fall asleep a minute before her body tells her to.
On one hand I tell myself she obviously knows and listens to her body. She can be playing happily and then suddenly, like a flipped switch, say "Mommy, I tired" and will fall asleep nursing within 60 seconds. She can also fall asleep anywhere if she's tired enough. She also is not easy to rouse until her body's had enough sleep. On the other hand, this is obviously a crappy schedule for me and hard to follow.
My MIL tells me that as a child, my dh never slept either. Of course, considering his gut issues, I'm not surprised. And if the same thing is happening to dd, I dang well want to fix it.

moneca re: Yogurmet Thanks for the info about most yogurt makers only setting for 6 hours. I was wondering how the Yogurmet was not working for you. I tested mine just before we left. I opened the top and checked the water in that the inner batch jar sits in and that easily went up to at least 120. But once the yogurt was finished fermenting, (I shut it off at the 26 hour mark I think), I tested the inner batch of yogurt. (This is the batch I dripped, so I wasn't worried about disturbing it). It only got up to about 116. So I *think* we're safe. But now I'm not sure. I certainly don't want the illegal disaccharides.
How frustrating! This is the yogurt maker that the SCD sites sell and most of the SCDers seem to use so it would really be annoying (to put it mildly) to not have the makers making legal yogurt. :

elisabeth re: mascarpone cheese Jane is right about the cheese. Responses from the Healing Crow list confirmed it's most likely illegal:
Quote:
(Posted by Barbara:
Mascarpone is
just cream, basically, so if it's treated with lactase, it should be fine
(provided it's a real mascarpone with no illegal additives). However, in
double-checking this, I discovered that mascarpone is made by adding citric
acid to cream and then draining some of the liquid out, so it might not be
so advisable to eat after all, even though it should be perfectly legal if
fully treated with lactase.
Okay, I'm off to get some sleep. I don't know how often I can check in, but I'll try.
post #112 of 139
Drat. I had a feeling about the cheese. Thanks for the links reCCC. I need to find some. I was going to say the $4.99 isn't terrible, but I think I remember reading it only comes a couple ounces at a time? So the price isn't per pound, it's per package. Geez. Jane-I had my moment with flavored CLO just the other day. Unbelievable, isn't it? But I also wonder if the enzymes in theory should be dealing with the natural flavoring issue...And as far as CLO goes, you can't hurt by giving too much. If you start seeing runny stools then back off. I, myself am taking 5 tbls. a day therapeutically, and ds and dd are taking 3 tsp daily. This is all under the direction of my Chiro and naturopath who work in tandem on our case. It was also confirmed by yet another doc, and we see no side effects at all. I'm not playing doctor here, just trying to soothe fears regarding overdosing. I know how difficult it can be if you are doing this by yourself without the expertise of an ND or something.
I other news, Selkie has started ACTUALLY taking her enzymes, and for the last several days has been EATING I can't tell you how amazing this is. SHe isn't just eating familiar foods, she is eating whatever we are! yesterday she ate half a smoothie, squash pancakes and an egg for breakfast, an peach for snack, a turkey dog, cheese and cucumber for lunch, grapes for snack, and grouper with a zucchini fritter for dinner. I was in shock. And that was the second day in a row like that! Unbelievable. This is really working!
post #113 of 139
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Originally Posted by moneca
Jane - You talked about helping Luke's nervous system. If you're interested in doing a urine test to check his neurotransmitter levels (these can greatly affect his calmness or lack thereof) I can give you the info. The supplements Sierra and I took were SCD legal and natural. They took my serotonin level from 45 to 299 in two months. Sierra also had a dramatic increase. Since the gut is injured it cannot produce neurotransmitters at a normal rate.
YES please! This sounds interesting, haven't heard of it....
post #114 of 139
Elisabeth,

I love your new sig line

The Friendship farmer's cheese is only 1 cup or 7oz, so the price is a little

Yay for Selkie!!!!
post #115 of 139
Quote:
Originally Posted by moneca
Raw yoghurt is easier to make IMO. You also receive the beneficial enzymes since the milk has not been heated. Remember that goat milk is more easily digestible than cow and is closer to human milk. Goat milk has smaller proteins. Just heat the milk to 110 (enzymes begin to die at 117 and are all dead by 128). Add your starter (I use yogourmet) to 1 cup of the milk and mix. Add the rest of your milk and mix. Add to whatever warming device you choose. I always ferment for 25-26 hours just to be sure. Move immed. to the fridge and DO NOT TOUCH for 8 hours. I find that using raw goat milk makes the yoghurt too thin to drip. It just pours through the cheese cloth.
How warm should it stay while it's fermenting? Also, if you use commercial yogurt as starter, how much do you use? Also, if you can't drip the yogurt, what do you use in recipes?
What's this about neurotransmitters? I was on Prozac for many years and wonder if mine are still low.
post #116 of 139
Thanks for the welcome!

Jane, thanks for the info! I did search the Nutrition forum for bread recipe but couldn't find exactly what I was looking for, I am hoping to get the NT book.

Yes, so many people do take things personally. I have super good news, I made an appt with a naturapathic dr. for next week. She says she specializes in allergies and leaky gut. She has at least heard of it. I am very optimistic!

must go crying babe.
post #117 of 139
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Originally Posted by tayndrewsmama
How many people here have "issues" or family members with "issues" have had heavy metal testing done? Of those of you, have any of those tests come back with all good results for the one suffering?

I am trying to connect some dots here and answers to these questions would really help me out.
Oh please. Anyone? I really don't know where else to ask this question in relation to digestive issues and so on.
post #118 of 139
Hi ladies. I'm new here. I am joining because of my 3 1/2 yr old Zoe. Around the age of 2 she started having diarrhea.. after I put her on a gluten free diet it seemed to help and she was GF for over a year when I did a gluten challenge and she tolerates it fine now. She had yeast problems as a baby and I think it is all related but I cannot find a dr that believes me. Anyway, she is small for her age (and so are my other kids, but she seems the smallest). She is about 26-27 lbs. She has never lost weight but gains slowly. She seems healthy overwise (few colds, never had antibiotics or anything). The funny thing is, she was deficient in Zinc when I took her to the dr... this may be a coincidence, but when I am sure she takes her multivitamin with Zinc or I give her foods with a good amount of Zinc, she has firm poops. I read the book Nourishing Traditions and it mentioned something about how the body needs Zinc for the pancreas to produce enough enzymes. Anybody know anything about this?

She also had a stomach bug about 2 weeks ago, and although she's not pooping as often she is still having loose stools. She has a hard time recovering from GI illnesses like this. Then, yesterday I had to go out of town and she stayed with a friend, who gave her orange juice all day. This really upsets her stomach. Chocolate also seems to aggravate her bowels, and sometimes causes her to become really whiney and irritable.

Anyway, just thought I'd join this thread and see if anybody has clues as to our situation..
post #119 of 139
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Originally Posted by tayndrewsmama
Oh please. Anyone? I really don't know where else to ask this question in relation to digestive issues and so on.
I suspect heavy metals poisoning for myself, dh and ds, but haven't had any testing done yet. If I do, I will let you know what i discover. You could also go the the pecanbread yahoo group to find out more.
post #120 of 139
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Originally Posted by tayndrewsmama
Oh please. Anyone? I really don't know where else to ask this question in relation to digestive issues and so on.
You read my recent post right?

Autism-Mercury Yahoo group is the best source of info on kids and metal issues:
http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group...rcury/messages
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