Diapering Reorganization, please read - Page 6

[mom2orionplus1]

Originally Posted by KristiMetz

And, I will probably start to hang out more on the Stocking page and less on the main Diapering board, since the Stocking page will have what interests me. So it could have the unintended effect of less questions being answered.

ITA. I think that the splitting of the forums is going to have the opposite effect than intended. Speaking as a born and raised consumerist, I really do not like the idea of splitting the forums up. I don't know what belongs where and it's a PITA to have to check so many boards. Since the "show off" board has been implemented, I have found myself over there way more than the actual diapering board. A vote would be nice as I feel that the majority is NOT in support of this change.

[SEEPAE]

Originally Posted by My3babes

We all assume too much about others by the type of diapers they buy...

mmmmmmmmmhhhhmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

[zexplorers]

Originally Posted by mom2orionplus1

ITA. I think that the splitting of the forums is going to have the opposite effect than intended. Speaking as a born and raised consumerist, I really do not like the idea of splitting the forums up. I don't know what belongs where and it's a PITA to have to check so many boards. Since the "show off" board has been implemented, I have found myself over there way more than the actual diapering board. A vote would be nice as I feel that the majority is NOT in support of this change.

I know for me now that school has started and we have more actitvities I'll be here less as it is and if I have to search around then it's not worth my time to be here at all and I'll take my subscription money with me - I'm sure that was not their intent but it may be the eventual outcome.....

[boscopup]

Originally Posted by Sustainer

You went to this thread and you still don't think that the agenda is to banish the hyenas?

Well, it started out as a prefold person feeling hurt by non-prefold people (and she refers to the thread that is gone, so I can't judge that thread specifically - sorry!). She then suggests creating a subforum for simple diapering like prefolds. So was she trying to banish herself? Looks like she didn't feel safe in the main forum, and wanted a place where she could feel safe - a subforum.

And as I keep reading through that thread, it's obvious that people don't all want to read hyena threads, and some are uncomfortable with consumerism, but banish hyenas? In the end, several people mention splitting into subforums, but specifically not hyena vs. frugal. Lots of love and happiness is shared, and chocolate eaten. :LOL

What I see in that thread is that prefold lovers have been hurt and hyenas have been hurt. And both have felt uncomfortable by certain threads. I'm not in either group (I use FBs right now). So maybe I can see this with a different perspective than people of both those groups? I just don't see how having a subforum makes you banished or unwanted. ECers and diaper sewers aren't banished or unwanted, are they? And nowhere in the new forum does it even mention "hyena" or say that it's only for hyena diapers. If the moderators wanted to banish hyenas, I would think they'd just disallow such posts, wouldn't they? I also don't see any reason why you can't post anything about hyena diapers in the main forum. You just wouldn't post stocking info or posts that display your new fluff (which again, it looks like that could be a prefold and a snappi or the elusive elbee).

I can see where you've been hurt by things said in the past, but it also seems to be a very few people who said or agree with those things. The diapering forum is not out to get anyone or banish anyone, and I'd say that the majority of the people that are pro-split aren't anti-hyena. At least, that's the feeling I get from reading this thread and the thread you mention.

[Sustainer]

Originally Posted by boscopup

Maybe she didn't mean it the way it sounded, but when she says "the ones who want the split", it sounds like she's saying that all of those who want the split are frugal mamas that are bothered by particular threads. This may very well be a misunderstanding of what she's saying, but the way I read it, it's kind of hurtful to those who are pro-split, yet not anti-hyena. KWIM?

No, I didn't mean that everyone who is pro-split is anti-hyena. I said that there are certain frugal diaperers who are bothered by stocking/showing threads. My reason for using the phrase "the ones who want the split" was simply to make it clear that not all frugal mamas are anti-hyena.

There may now be a few people, like yourself apparently, who are happy about the split simply because they think it will be more organized or whatever. However, I think that the driving force behind this change was/is an anti-hyena sentiment, as evidenced by the thread linked above.

Oh, I have also now been accused, several times, of saying that everyone who is pro-split is self-righteous. I never said that, either.

[boscopup]

Originally Posted by Sustainer

No, I didn't mean that everyone who is pro-split is anti-hyena.

Ok, I get you now. And I'm sorry about the accusation of calling pro-splitters self-righteous. That came from the misunderstood quote. So I hearby say that you did not call all pro-splitters self-righteous.

Btw, the current description of the new subforum is:

Share news of WAHM stocking, show off your new fluff, let us know what you've scored!

I don't see any reason why you can't show off a prefold, a kissaluv, a FB, a Bummis SWW, or any other non-hyena diaper in that forum. It also doesn't say anything about talking about hyena diapers. It just mentions stocking news and what you've scored, wrt hyena diapers. Seems like if you want to talk about a hyena diaper in particular, you'd still do that in the main forum. So I think the way it's been done is not separating hyena topics from non-hyena, but just separating stocking news and "show-off" threads (again, bad term) from other stuff. And the only hyena part there is the stocking, simply because non-hyena diapers don't require stocking news (scoring too, but then again, you could score a prefold too, IMO).

[Just*Lindsay]

I am against the split.

We are mothers for gods sake. We dont have time to read 6-7 different sub-forums, I can see how a review forum and such is necessary as a sub-forum, but we all diaper. Its gonna get way too confusing as to what should I post in this forum or that forum. I liked it the way it was too.

I have like 6 other forums that I visit, one for each child, other CDing board, etc, and this is gonna get too confusing. I dont think the split is a good idea.

[tarakay]

And, I will probably start to hang out more on the Stocking page and less on the main Diapering board, since the Stocking page will have what interests me.

Honestly, I hope that's what happens. Unfortunately, I think the other scenario is that the Stocking and Show Off forum (I also have issues with the phrase "show off") will eventually die down and become pretty much defunct. The reason threads like that are fun is the conversation that goes on in them. Now that they're in a separate little corner, they're not going to be seen by nearly as many people, and the conversation will most likely suffer. I think that eventually people won't even bother.

It's plainly obvious from the number of posts over there that the "stocking and show off" threads were NOT overrunning the main diapering forum, and I fail to see the need for the separation. I think the overwhelming majority of people on the board enjoyed both kinds of posts.

The whole thing is just a shame.

[SEEPAE]

Originally Posted by tarakay

It's plainly obvious from the number of posts over there that the "stocking and show off" threads were NOT overrunning the main diapering forum, and I fail to see the need for the separation.

mmmmmmmmmmmmmhhhhhhmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm


(is that all I say now? LOL)

[Sustainer]

Originally Posted by boscopup

I don't see any reason why you can't show off a prefold, a kissaluv, a FB, a Bummis SWW, or any other non-hyena diaper in that forum. It also doesn't say anything about talking about hyena diapers. It just mentions stocking news and what you've scored, wrt hyena diapers. Seems like if you want to talk about a hyena diaper in particular, you'd still do that in the main forum. So I think the way it's been done is not separating hyena topics from non-hyena, but just separating stocking news and "show-off" threads (again, bad term) from other stuff.

It's true that the subforum doesn't contain the word 'hyena,' but it is also true that the stocking and showing threads are the exact threads that the anti-hyenaism crowd keeps complaining about and saying that they don't want to see.

Originally Posted by boscopup

And the only hyena part there is the stocking, simply because non-hyena diapers don't require stocking news

Exactly! "Stocking" = hyenaism/evil consumerism, etc. And it is the stocking threads I am most concerned with and that I most want returned to the main forum (although it also seems ridiculous to me to ban pictures of diapers from a diapering chat board).

[MissSugarKane]

No offense to anyone but it seems like those that want the split are not even people I recognize as big posters in diapering. I think those of us who have spent so much time here and got to know and love each other are the ones who are being made to feel banished. I don't see how it is fair that a few complaints from people who don't hang out here very often can make all of us have to deal with a split.

And the whole prefold thing makes me crazy. Some of our biggest posters in diapering are prefold fans.I have never seen anyone looked down on for using prefolds. And for the last two years I used to be here what seemed like 24/7 so that complaint just doesn't fly with me.

[Just*Lindsay]

Originally Posted by MissSugarKane

No offense to anyone but it seems like those that want the split are not even people I recognize as big posters in diapering. I think those of us who have spent so much time here and got to know and love each other are the ones who are being made to feel banished. I don't see how it is fair that a few complaints from people who don't hang out here very often can make all of us have to deal with a split.

Yea That!

[JohnnysGirl]

Originally Posted by Just*Lindsay

I am against the split.

We are mothers for gods sake. We dont have time to read 6-7 different sub-forums, I can see how a review forum and such is necessary as a sub-forum, but we all diaper. Its gonna get way too confusing as to what should I post in this forum or that forum. I liked it the way it was too.

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[Sustainer]

For those who haven't made it to the end of the original thread:

I've been re-reading the entire thing (had to pause for a cry when I got to Amy's post), and toward the end of the thread there is a post by one of the diapering mods that says:

Re: making peace with hyenas vs. non-hyenas. We have actually been discussing that for awhile and are just working out the details. We too, feel that there needs to be a place for simple diaper talk and another place for hyena talk. Please be patient, changes are coming.

So in case there's still any doubt in anyone's mind as to whether or not this is about "simple diapering" vs. "hyena diapering"...

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[Sustainer]

After the mod's post, several "simple diaper" members suggest (a couple of them in a rather condescending way) that stocking, purchase and picture threads should be removed from the main forum to a seperate "hyena folder."

Hmm...

[spatulagirl]

Remember when they tried the daily show-off thread? Where we all had to show-off our fluff in one thread? And all the responses got all gumbled (as my 4-year-old says) together?

After a week or two every stopped showing off pictures and no one responded to the thread.

So.... is that what they are hoping to do with the show-off forum (and oh god how I hate that word!).

[imgr8ful]

i don't like it - i thought everything was fine the way it was.

but if it has to be - can i suggest "stocking and sharing" as opposed to "show off"? because i don't think anyone is 'showing off', we just like to share our love of cd'ing!

eta - i think a vote on this would have been nice...

and also - there was a thread in the wahm forum about what this means for wahms - the stocking and sharing threads are what bring a lot of wahms business! i mean, when i first started cd'ing, if i read a post about a wahm that i hadn't heard of yet, i immediately went to her site to check things out!

[spatulagirl]

Hey, so I think they should do the same thing to the babbywearing forum too! it's too confusing! All the information, weeding through the pages and pages of posts that don't interest me, the stockings and bragging and carrying on about something your baby just sits in.

(totally tongue in cheek because I also own a ton of different baby wearing devices)

[boscopup]

Originally Posted by MissSugarKane

No offense to anyone but it seems like those that want the split are not even people I recognize as big posters in diapering.

Are you referring to me? I do take offense to making the diapering forum be like an "old boys" (girls) club, where you can't have an opinion if you haven't been around long enough or haven't posted enough (there are probably plenty of people who have been lurking for YEARS, and they should have an opinion when it comes to how to read the forum too). And looking back at previous threads, there are several long time members that liked the idea of the split, as well as several that didn't (and I respect everyone's opinion on splitting vs. not splitting - we all have valid reasons for our opinions).

But the feeling I'm getting here is that I'm not welcome to an opinion that differs from some of the "old girls", and that makes me feel unwelcome in general. I'm done with this thread. It seems to only be producing hurt in people on both sides, whether intentional or not.

[zexplorers]

Originally Posted by boscopup

Are you referring to me? I do take offense to making the diapering forum be like an "old boys" (girls) club, where you can't have an opinion if you haven't been around long enough or haven't posted enough (there are probably plenty of people who have been lurking for YEARS, and they should have an opinion when it comes to how to read the forum too). And looking back at previous threads, there are several long time members that liked the idea of the split, as well as several that didn't (and I respect everyone's opinion on splitting vs. not splitting - we all have valid reasons for our opinions).

But the feeling I'm getting here is that I'm not welcome to an opinion that differs from some of the "old girls", and that makes me feel unwelcome in general. I'm done with this thread. It seems to only be producing hurt in people on both sides, whether intentional or not.

hugs mama!! I can't speak for Jamie but I don't believe this was about you at all. There have been a few posts in the past few months that have been deleted that got really ugly and and a fair amount of the posters were MDC'ers that do not normally post in diapering. They are concerned that the diapering forum does not go along with the NFL values because of the consumerism aspect of diapering. They may or may not CD but their voice that has been heard and it feels like the people who hang out here regularly have been told what to do and not given a voice in our own "home". I've been feeling this myself as I've watched this change evolve. Nothing I've said has ever made a difference ........