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post #121 of 165
OK, just to identify myself, I am a mostly-lurker who has been here a good long while, and a cheapskate. I have a strong desire to see this forum offer support to CD users who need to troubleshoot, I don't care about the hyena threads one way or another, I do like the threads where people describe new products although I have always wished they would write reviews instead.

This issue comes up again and again and the moderators have tried to address it with other options before. I remember at least one occasion when a split was mooted and rejected.

Instead of getting mad at each other, can someone think of a creative solution that addresses the needs of all the community members? Would diaper-shoppers be happy if everyone was in a subforum? What would happen to new users? To folks who are thinking about CD? To experienced diaperers who had problems? Can anyone think of other audiences whose needs have to be addressed?
post #122 of 165
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Originally Posted by MissSugarKane
And the whole prefold thing makes me crazy. Some of our biggest posters in diapering are prefold fans.I have never seen anyone looked down on for using prefolds. And for the last two years I used to be here what seemed like 24/7 so that complaint just doesn't fly with me.
I you!!!

I've been here for over a year, posted a *lot*, done the hyena thing and now have nearly an all prefold/flat simple stash. And not one time have I *ever* felt "looked down" on, made fun of or otherwise. So..I'm not for the split either, but I did think it was cool to be the first poster in a forum! :

oh..btw..it's me Jesse, just in case you didn't know I changed my user name!!
post #123 of 165
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Originally Posted by emmalala

Instead of getting mad at each other, can someone think of a creative solution that addresses the needs of all the community members? Would diaper-shoppers be happy if everyone was in a subforum? What would happen to new users? To folks who are thinking about CD? To experienced diaperers who had problems? Can anyone think of other audiences whose needs have to be addressed?
I think the feeling is that these "audiences" aren't as divided as some people think, that you can skip threads not of interest and that there is a lot of cross-over. It's a lot of work for moderators too, keeping everything seperated. However the decision has been made and I think we should give it a go and see how it works for people.
post #124 of 165
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Originally Posted by LoveBaby
I you!!!

I've been here for over a year, posted a *lot*, done the hyena thing and now have nearly an all prefold/flat simple stash. And not one time have I *ever* felt "looked down" on, made fun of or otherwise. So..I'm not for the split either, but I did think it was cool to be the first poster in a forum! :

oh..btw..it's me Jesse, just in case you didn't know I changed my user name!!
nak

i've been here awhile and never felt out of place and i do diapers very cheap. i love looking at expensive items (and have recently bought a few) but don't buy them. i've ever felt excluded. just my 2 cents.

that said, i do like things the way they were in one big area since time is limited now.
post #125 of 165
I don't see how it's that hard to sift through the board the way it has always been, to click on threads that interest you. Especially since you can just point your mouse to the title of the thread and it gives you the first line or two of the OP, so you really have a decent idea of what the thread is about.
post #126 of 165
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Originally Posted by mom2orionplus1
ITA. I think that the splitting of the forums is going to have the opposite effect than intended. Speaking as a born and raised consumerist, I really do not like the idea of splitting the forums up. I don't know what belongs where and it's a PITA to have to check so many boards. Since the "show off" board has been implemented, I have found myself over there way more than the actual diapering board. A vote would be nice as I feel that the majority is NOT in support of this change.
Yup, that's what I think too. I'm taking a pretty heavy course load this semester, and I barely have time to pop in at all, let alone in 2 separate forums about diapers. The stocking/"show-off" threads are what interest me. I like trying new stuff and seeing what everyone has. Not to mention, it's super helpful to see pics of the diapers on babes, so I can get an idea of fit. With all the posts in one forum, I will reply to questions, since they're right there. If I have to go to a whole other forum, I'm probably not gonna be answering too many questions. The questions I do have, I'll just be taking to the other board I post on, where I *gasp* talk about what diaper fits best on one thread and then offer support to a momma having a bad day in the next and then rant about my ds eating crayons again in the next.

I think having things so separated are one of the reasons it takes mamas so long to feel comfortable here, esp if they are not TAO regulars. I'm a Sr member; I've been here for over a year; I post in many of the different forums. Yet I still feel like an outsider most of the time. I'm not saying that I feel that my posts are ignored or not answered quick enough. It's that the responses are missing the personal touch that I see in some of the other people's posts. I think that's because posts are kept so on topic that it's hard to get to know each other.


ETA: I'm not crazy about the subforum being named as stocking and show-off either.
post #127 of 165
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Originally Posted by Butterflymom
I don't see how it's that hard to sift through the board the way it has always been, to click on threads that interest you. Especially since you can just point your mouse to the title of the thread and it gives you the first line or two of the OP, so you really have a decent idea of what the thread is about.
ugh this option for some reason doesnt work for me anymore : I use to love to be able to do a preview and see if the threads with unrevealing titles had good stuff in them, LOL
post #128 of 165
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Originally Posted by boscopup
I do take offense to making the diapering forum be like an "old boys" (girls) club, where you can't have an opinion if you haven't been around long enough or haven't posted enough (there are probably plenty of people who have been lurking for YEARS, and they should have an opinion when it comes to how to read the forum too).
If I were new at a message board or if I had only/mostly lurked at it, and I thought the board would be better if it were reorganized in a certain way, but it was obvious that most of the people who had regularly posted on the board for a long time preferred the current organization, I would never insist that my "vote" should be taken into consideration just as much as the "votes" of those who had been the actual regular posters on the board for a long time.

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Originally Posted by zexplorers
There have been a few posts in the past few months that have been deleted that got really ugly and and a fair amount of the posters were MDC'ers that do not normally post in diapering. They are concerned that the diapering forum does not go along with the NFL values because of the consumerism aspect of diapering. They may or may not CD but their voice that has been heard and it feels like the people who hang out here regularly have been told what to do and not given a voice in our own "home". I've been feeling this myself as I've watched this change evolve.
Exactly. This is something that is being done TO us. It is not something that WE have asked for.
post #129 of 165
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Originally Posted by trishshack
We would like to poll the users of this forum for thier suggestions in forum naming. We were thinking of changing Diapering to something like Diapering Basics or Diapering 101. We would also like input as to a final name for the new Stocking and Show Off forum. After we have received your request we will create a poll to select the names.
Have been spending my time preparing for our new baby who will be here soon so have not been to the diapering forum much the past few weeks or read anything other than the OP in this thread, so my apologies for missing others' comments.

-I like Diapering Basics better than Diapering 101. To me Diapering Basics is broader. To me, 101 sounds like a forum for people who haven't started CDing yet. DB, on the other hand, could include the problem-solving aspects of CDing that can come up at any stage of the game.

-I think Stocking and Show Off sounds fine.

Hope everyone is doing well and had a good Labor Day weekend!
post #130 of 165
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Originally Posted by LoveBaby
I you!!!

I've been here for over a year, posted a *lot*, done the hyena thing and now have nearly an all prefold/flat simple stash. And not one time have I *ever* felt "looked down" on, made fun of or otherwise. So..I'm not for the split either, but I did think it was cool to be the first poster in a forum! :

oh..btw..it's me Jesse, just in case you didn't know I changed my user name!!
There you are!!! I kept looking to see you post and was wondering where you went :LOL

Good thing you told me who you were because I was getting ready to make fun of your prefold stash. You're so 70's Jesse :
post #131 of 165
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Originally Posted by MissSugarKane
There you are!!! I kept looking to see you post and was wondering where you went :LOL

Good thing you told me who you were because I was getting ready to make fun of your prefold stash. You're so 70's Jesse :
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I know..I should really get w/ the times and overhaul my stash to something a bit more "modern"!

I've missed seeing you around!! There's been tons of good drama you'd have just loved! :LOL
post #132 of 165
I think all the different boards are annoying. Having a basic diapering FAQ page is great but if I want to talk about diapers, I don't want to figure out which board to post on. If I get an awesome diaper in the mail, I don't want to feel as if I'm wrong in posting my excitment because I didn't post it in the brag section.

Keep it simple!!
post #133 of 165
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Originally Posted by boscopup
Are you referring to me? I do take offense to making the diapering forum be like an "old boys" (girls) club, where you can't have an opinion if you haven't been around long enough or haven't posted enough (there are probably plenty of people who have been lurking for YEARS, and they should have an opinion when it comes to how to read the forum too). And looking back at previous threads, there are several long time members that liked the idea of the split, as well as several that didn't (and I respect everyone's opinion on splitting vs. not splitting - we all have valid reasons for our opinions).

But the feeling I'm getting here is that I'm not welcome to an opinion that differs from some of the "old girls", and that makes me feel unwelcome in general. I'm done with this thread. It seems to only be producing hurt in people on both sides, whether intentional or not.
No I wasn't referring to you. I was referring to many of the posters in that thread that Alice linked from Q&A. I am sorry if your feelings were hurt

This is a general thought , not about you either :

I don't think diapering should be run like the old girl's club.That is not what I meant at all. I just think that when you are new to a place you don't see that everything actually does flow and run smoothly. I think people who don't hang out here much would not see that unless they started spending more time here. I can't imagine just showing up in another forum here and complaining and requesting changes to please me.

I don't know why it is so hard to just not click on a "hyena thread" if you are not interested. There are a few people who I don't like here and I just don't click on their posts.I didn't know I could just ask that they be banished to a different forum
post #134 of 165
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Originally Posted by MissSugarKane
I don't know why it is so hard to just not click on a "hyena thread" if you are not interested. There are a few people who I don't like here and I just don't click on their posts.I didn't know I could just ask that they be banished to a different forum

: I you Jamie! I'm glad you're back mama!!!
post #135 of 165
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Originally Posted by nakagain

Keep it simple!!


I agree that simplicity is lacking in the new layout. There are lots of crossover threads and grey areas and a greater need for moderators to step in, decide and move etc.

Jamie, we miss you!!!
post #136 of 165
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Originally Posted by MissSugarKane
. There are a few people who I don't like here and I just don't click on their posts.I didn't know I could just ask that they be banished to a different forum
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But secretly : that she isn't thinking of me when she says that. :
post #137 of 165
I have to say that I think the split is total BS! We've talked about this before and the people who post regularly on the diapering board DID NOT FAVOR a split and yet here we are! Like Kate said...I guess our voice and our votes did not get counted here.

I like simplicity...I liked the way things were.

Believe it or not...the "SHOW OFF" threads HELP our fellow WAHMs! I buy fluff and wool from show off threads. I see products on babes and see how they fit. I love it when someone brags about something because it must be GREAT! And guess what? It makes me want to try something out!

The WAHMs are the ones that are going to take the brunt of this by "hiding" away the stocking announcements and the "show off" threads.

Do what you want, but this makes a lot of people upset...including me! And from what I'm reading here it's making the regular posters upset as well. I'm not alone here!

But it doesn't really matter because our opinions obviously don't count for very much.

Ask the WAHMs what they think...they are the ones who are trying to make a living so they can stay at home with their children.
post #138 of 165
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Originally Posted by nohomama
Well, that may be what you're hearing but that's not what I said. Go back and read what you quoted from my post. I simply said, whether you understood it or not, there are some mamas here who feel alienated by the spilt. I didn't include myself in that group nor did I try to explain why they felt that way. I think you've got the gist of their argument and I've gotta say your dismisal of it is pretty, I don't know, offensive? cold? insensitive? If I read you right, your discomfort with "show off and $200 auction stuff" somehow takes precedence. Why?
Believe it or not, I was honestly trying to understand the other "side" of the argument, but I am not inclined to listen to anything you have to say when you are being insulting and rude.
post #139 of 165
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Originally Posted by Sustainer
As I said before, that is NOT what happened. Someone posted a picture of a white prefold and said things like "Check out this incredible dipe -- I can't believe I got it -- you won't believe how amazing it is..." and so on and so forth. And then the next few posters followed suit, saying things like "WOW, those are really RARE! I've never seen one quite like it..." I don't believe any of these first few posters were people who generally post in the diapering forum. Then someone asked what was rare about the diaper, and one of the original posters responded by posting an 'irked' smilie and saying that something didn't have to be rare to be nice. Then ONE person who understandably thought that the purpose of the thread was to mock hyenas, referred to the first few posters as trolls from TAO.
I have a completely different perception of what happened on that thread. I was called a troll, and have posted in the diapering forum. That mama had bravely left her marriage, was dirt poor, was expecting a new baby any day, and was proud of her dipes, and was made to feel like crap. Maybe we could agree that there was enough misunderstanding and blame to go around on that thread?
post #140 of 165
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Originally Posted by Sustainer
Exactly! "Stocking" = hyenaism/evil consumerism, etc. And it is the stocking threads I am most concerned with and that I most want returned to the main forum (although it also seems ridiculous to me to ban pictures of diapers from a diapering chat board).

Really? I am looking forward to having one place to look to discover if my favorite dipes are being stocked somewhere.
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