Diapering Reorganization, please read - Page 3

[spatulagirl]

We don't get a vote. The change is happening whether we all agree to it or not. The main point is some people (and most NOT diapering regulars) disagree with how consumerist the diaper board is or has become. The brunt of many complaints and jokes and it all came to a head when a mama posted about receiving a prefold and snappi. Some hyenas thought they were being made fun of and it turned into a huge deal.

I for one am also against the split but am so thankful it isn't being done in the frugal/hyena manner that was previously suggested. If it was done in the way I would have left the board.

I will stick it out and see but personally I tend to ignore subforums. I don't think it takes a lot of effort to scan a page or two to see what is up or what's new. And I agree with Alice that questions are answered. I think most people think that if they ask a question it isn't truly answered unless they have 10 or so responses. I know I have though like that :LOL

[spatulagirl]

I have some questions just so I understand it properly:

1 - a person has a question about diaper auctions or the TP or selling something in general. That goes in the main forum right?

2 - A person has a question about a specific diaper auction. That goes in stocking and show off forum?

3 - Instock questions go to the stocking and show off forum? Or are they considered Diapering 101 because it is technically generic if they ask for Very baby or fitteds or dyed prefolds and not one specific brand?

I know I will think of more :LOL

[QueenSheba'sMom]

What about questions about the fit or absorbancy of diapers that may be hard to get a hold of?

[spatulagirl]

I think generic questions about fit and absorbency go in the mail forum. And I see they are moving all the instock questions to the stocking showoff page. Which seems silly to me. Because if a newbie comes asking for info on where to buy stuff that goes into the stocking section? Even though it's a Diapering 101 question?

So all we can talk about here is: um.... washing? poop? Pee? Can we talk about fit? Or is that show-off /stocking info?

[boscopup]

Originally Posted by spatulagirl

We don't get a vote. The change is happening whether we all agree to it or not.

The moderators have had at least a couple previous threads about this where they asked for input, and while it wasn't a "poll", I think they were reading the responses to get a general feel of what the board thought?

Anyway, I don't think you'll get a decision made that "we all agree to". I'm all for a split (and really would love to see the main forum removed and just have subforums). That would be easier for me. Obviously, keeping it one forum is easier for some other people. There's no way to make everyone happy, KWIM?

Originally Posted by spatulagirl

The main point is some people (and most NOT diapering regulars) disagree with how consumerist the diaper board is or has become.

I wasn't around when this happened, and it's a shame that it did. I'm new here, and I don't mind consumerism - it's what keeps our economy going. I just want to be able to read the threads that interest me and skip the ones that don't. For ME, that's easier if the forum is split. I have trouble keeping up if I only get to check once a day. This weekend, I was outside working with our goats all day, and when I came in, there were like 3 pages of stuff I hadn't read. There was no way I could go through all those threads, and probably half of them didn't apply to my diapering situation anyway. I'm sure I probably missed a topic or two that I wanted to read about.

Also, with the subject lines, it's often difficult to tell what the topic is. :/

[Sustainer]

Originally Posted by flapjack

I like the idea of splitting the forum. As an impoverished international mama, there's a lot of stuff that comes up on the diapering forum that I either can't afford, or can't get posted out to me- and while most of the time I can look and be happy for other people, there are times when I'd chew a (snappi) leg off for a credit card and a US postal address.

I'm a low income mama myself, and I usually can't actually buy anything mentioned on hyena threads, and all I can do is window shop and live through other people's purchases vicariously, which I enjoy. Even if I didn't enjoy it though, and even if my income were even lower than it is, I would consider it selfish and unfair to suggest that threads that are of interest to others should be moved simply because they don't apply to ME. All diapering threads should be allowed in the diapering forum.

Originally Posted by spatulagirl

it all came to a head when a mama posted about receiving a prefold and snappi.

One of the things that bothers me the most about all this is that these changes are the result of a complete misinterpretation of what occurred on that thread. People claimed that simpler, less expensive diapers (and the mamas who use them) were being looked down upon, and that simply was not what happened at all.

Originally Posted by spatulagirl

I for one am also against the split but am so thankful it isn't being done in the frugal/hyena manner that was previously suggested. If it was done in the way I would have left the board.

I think that it IS being split according to frugal vs. hyena. The stocking and showoff threads are the ones that are considered hyena threads. They are the threads that certain frugal diapering mamas (the ones who want the split) are bothered by, either because they're bitter about not being able to afford the diapers, or because they have a self-righteous attitude about "consumerism." So because of their negative attitudes, none of us get to enjoy such threads on the main diapering board. This is the impression I'm starting to get, and I'm getting more and more blunt about how I state it, because I'm getting more and more upset about this. If the main diapering forum gets renamed "diapering101" or "simple diapering" or anything along those lines, I *will* leave the board. And since this is pretty much the only board I come to anymore, it basically means I would be leaving MDC.

Originally Posted by spatulagirl

And I agree with Alice that questions are answered. I think most people think that if they ask a question it isn't truly answered unless they have 10 or so responses. I know I have though like that

Questions DO get answered, which is why I'm starting to think that the whole "questions don't get answered because they are drowned out by all the stocking & showoff threads" thing is just a red herring, and that the real issue is that certain people are bothered by stocking and showoff threads for the reasons that I stated above. I'm going to start calling a spade a spade! :

[Oceanone]

Questions do get answered. I think so too. This split is supposed to elicit more question answering? When half the board are looking at another whole set of posts at any one time?

I'm willing to give it a go, if people really want it. I tend to agree with Alice though.

Also until a permanent name is found perhaps it could be renamed "Stocking and Showing" for a while. I agree that "showing off" has negative connotantions and most members are not posting pics etc to show off but to share and enjoy.

[navygirl]

: to Alice's post. I have to agree. I think you hit the the nail on the head with that one. I wish that it didn't have to be that way but I can't see any other way around it but to leave it alone and we all know that, that is not going to happen, even if a lot of the regulars want it to stay the same.

Originally Posted by boscopup

The moderators have had at least a couple previous threads about this where they asked for input, and while it wasn't a "poll", I think they were reading the responses to get a general feel of what the board thought?

I'm sorry but I don't think that they were listening because I read the posts and I kept reading over and over again how people want it to stay the same, except for a few that kept saying change it. It doesn't matter because it's been done and now nobody will be happy except for the people that wanted it split so that the hyena threads were off by themselves.

[Marco Esquandolas]

Maybe the split will now encourage lurkers to c'mon out and post! I usually only see them post when they say they wanted a split. Now that it is split, they can post freely without fear of having posts burried or having to look at pics of gorgeous fluff!

ETA: I don't think that came out *quite* the way I wanted it to. I wasn't trying to be a smart tail. I meant like not having to sift thru 10 threads of pics to get to a wash q or a rash q or whatever.

[ShadowMom]

Originally Posted by navygirl

I'm sorry but I don't think that they were listening because I read the posts and I kept reading over and over again how people want it to stay the same, except for a few that kept saying change it. It doesn't matter because it's been done and now nobody will be happy except for the people that wanted it split so that the hyena threads were off by themselves.

I think we need to keep in mind that this is a board run by a COMPANY. They have goals for their company which may or may not have anything to do with what we want.

Whenever a change is made, regardless of whether the owners of the board admit it, what's best for the company is always going to be taken into account. It's not only the goal of running a business, it's just human nature.

So, regardless of what *we* want, there could be business motivations for doing it this way. It would be very foolish of us not to take that into account. It would also be very foolish for us to think that we're going to be told that.

As for my part, I've seen things happen on MDC that annoy and anger me far worse than this particular change. I stay here because of several people that are here, and it will take more than splitting forums for me to leave at this point.

[ShadowMom]

Originally Posted by Sustainer

If the main diapering forum gets renamed "diapering101" or "simple diapering" or anything along those lines, I *will* leave the board. And since this is pretty much the only board I come to anymore, it basically means I would be leaving MDC.

Please don't leave!

[spatulagirl]

Originally Posted by Sustainer

I'm a low income mama myself, and I usually can't actually buy anything mentioned on hyena threads, and all I can do is window shop and live through other people's purchases vicariously, which I enjoy. Even if I didn't enjoy it though, and even if my income were even lower than it is, I would consider it selfish and unfair to suggest that threads that are of interest to others should be moved simply because they don't apply to ME. All diapering threads should be allowed in the diapering forum.


One of the things that bothers me the most about all this is that these changes are the result of a complete misinterpretation of what occurred on that thread. People claimed that simpler, less expensive diapers (and the mamas who use them) were being looked down upon, and that simply was not what happened at all.


I think that it IS being split according to frugal vs. hyena. The stocking and showoff threads are the ones that are considered hyena threads. They are the threads that certain frugal diapering mamas (the ones who want the split) are bothered by, either because they're bitter about not being able to afford the diapers, or because they have a self-righteous attitude about "consumerism." So because of their negative attitudes, none of us get to enjoy such threads on the main diapering board. This is the impression I'm starting to get, and I'm getting more and more blunt about how I state it, because I'm getting more and more upset about this. If the main diapering forum gets renamed "diapering101" or "simple diapering" or anything along those lines, I *will* leave the board. And since this is pretty much the only board I come to anymore, it basically means I would be leaving MDC.


Questions DO get answered, which is why I'm starting to think that the whole "questions don't get answered because they are drowned out by all the stocking & showoff threads" thing is just a red herring, and that the real issue is that certain people are bothered by stocking and showoff threads for the reasons that I stated above. I'm going to start calling a spade a spade! :

I think you said it better than I could I guess the whole hyena vs frugal thing, I am trying to look/think positively about it. But yeah.. the show-off threads, stocking threads, etc are indeed being shoved off in a sub forum because the consumerism bothers certain people.

[bunnyhatanpaa]

i had to change the title of one of my threads saying "show off"

it bugged me so much,, so i just put "pics" . i dont want people to think i was showing off... i just wanted to share and thank the Wham who made the dipe by showing my pictures. thats all.

im new here and really liked having everything together,,,it made it nice to look at a thread that i may not have other wise. and i was able to learn alot by reading all different threads too. i do admit at first i just read. and never posted because it seems like we have a tight group of mamas...but as i started to post i found that people were very kind and anwered my questions and were friendly to me as well....i think the only time people didnt relpy to my post was if i listed something to share that wasnt hyena....but thats ok i guess. people are still very nice and friendly other wise.

[Sustainer]

Originally Posted by spatulagirl

the show-off threads, stocking threads, etc are indeed being shoved off in a sub forum because the consumerism bothers certain people.

As I said on another thread, I'm as anti-overconsumerism as the next environmentalist, but to target cloth diaper users is so ridiculous! Why not target sposie users, who support places like Wal-Mart and chemical companies and the petroleum industry? Why target cloth users, who are supporting WAHMs and organic agriculture?? To say nothing of the fact that half the time a diapering item sells for an over-the-top price it's because it's a charity auction!

[boscopup]

Originally Posted by Sustainer

They are the threads that certain frugal diapering mamas (the ones who want the split) are bothered by, either because they're bitter about not being able to afford the diapers, or because they have a self-righteous attitude about "consumerism."

Um... not ALL of the ones who want the split are this type. I'm sure not. I have the money to buy hyena diapers if I really wanted to. I also think it's great that people buy them if they want them. I have no problem with consumerism.

I just prefer that any board be split into different topics so it's easier to navigate. So please don't lump all of the pro-splitters into a pile and label us all self-righteous.

I'd be happy to have the stocking/showing threads all be in the main forum and have the other stuff be in subforums (I hate scrolling down to see the main forum anyway). At least then I could easily find the stuff I want and not have to wade through the stuff I don't want. It's not that the stuff I don't want to read is bad. It's that it just doesn't apply to me, and I don't have all the time in the world to read every thread on the board. If I've read the threads that apply to me, I might go see some nice showing threads to see what someone has gotten. I think people should keep on posting all of these threads, and they're great threads. I just don't have time to read them all myself. That's all.

If all of MDC were one big forum, I wouldn't even be here. I don't have time or the inclination to read every single thread that gets posted. It's just too much. There are also MDC topics that I'm not interested in (because I'm really not all that crunchy). So I'm glad there are different subforums, so I can read about diapering and not have to read about some aspect of natural living that doesn't apply to me. THAT's the reason why I'm pro-split. Of course, whatever the moderators decide is what I'll live with.

[PatchyMama]

I agree with alice & kate .... and am completely confused as to what goes where now

[Mama~Love]

Originally Posted by boscopup

Um... not ALL of the ones who want the split are this type. I'm sure not. I have the money to buy hyena diapers if I really wanted to. I also think it's great that people buy them if they want them. I have no problem with consumerism.

I just prefer that any board be split into different topics so it's easier to navigate. So please don't lump all of the pro-splitters into a pile and label us all self-righteous.

I'd be happy to have the stocking/showing threads all be in the main forum and have the other stuff be in subforums (I hate scrolling down to see the main forum anyway). At least then I could easily find the stuff I want and not have to wade through the stuff I don't want. It's not that the stuff I don't want to read is bad. It's that it just doesn't apply to me, and I don't have all the time in the world to read every thread on the board. If I've read the threads that apply to me, I might go see some nice showing threads to see what someone has gotten. I think people should keep on posting all of these threads, and they're great threads. I just don't have time to read them all myself. That's all.

If all of MDC were one big forum, I wouldn't even be here. I don't have time or the inclination to read every single thread that gets posted. It's just too much. There are also MDC topics that I'm not interested in (because I'm really not all that crunchy). So I'm glad there are different subforums, so I can read about diapering and not have to read about some aspect of natural living that doesn't apply to me. THAT's the reason why I'm pro-split. Of course, whatever the moderators decide is what I'll live with.

I agree that not all moms are bothered by the commercialism. I think the split would be better & easier to navigate through. The Diapering board moves pretty fast, and lots can get lost in the shuffle.

[Tapioca]

I don't know anything about a certain thread. Speaking for myself, I'm glad about the split because I just wasn't interested in the stocking/showing threads - and there were/are a LOT of them. It'll be great not to have to wade through them all to get to the threads I'm more interested in. I don't see what the big deal is, I guess. The board was clearly being used for 2 different purposes, it makes sense to split it. * shrug*

It seems to me some people here are struggling with the change. That's cool, I just hope this thread doesn't degenerate into an 'us vs them' war.

As for 'regular' posters being less likely to respond to questions - nice implied threat here - well, I have a feeling other posters will take their place. I also disagree with the inference that new posters are always new to cding. I might not have posted here much, but I've been cding for 15 months. I can offer advice. I guess :

I've also received great advice here. I am grateful for that. THANK YOU!!!

[Tapioca]

Originally Posted by boscopup

I just prefer that any board be split into different topics so it's easier to navigate. So please don't lump all of the pro-splitters into a pile and label us all self-righteous.

I'd be happy to have the stocking/showing threads all be in the main forum and have the other stuff be in subforums (I hate scrolling down to see the main forum anyway). At least then I could easily find the stuff I want and not have to wade through the stuff I don't want. It's not that the stuff I don't want to read is bad. It's that it just doesn't apply to me, and I don't have all the time in the world to read every thread on the board.

If all of MDC were one big forum, I wouldn't even be here. I don't have time or the inclination to read every single thread that gets posted. It's just too much. There are also MDC topics that I'm not interested in (because I'm really not all that crunchy). So I'm glad there are different subforums, so I can read about diapering and not have to read about some aspect of natural living that doesn't apply to me. THAT's the reason why I'm pro-split. Of course, whatever the moderators decide is what I'll live with.

I should have just quoted you and said "yeah that!" So yeah. YEAH THAT!

[PatchyMama]

I know I personally am wondering where this overabundace of stocking/show off/consumeristic threads are. Over the last 3 pages of the main forum there are only 6 moved threads... and only like 15 threads total in the stocking forum that has been open since 09/02