Diapering Reorganization, please read - Page 5

[nohomama]

Originally Posted by My3babes

I guess right now it seems to me you are taking all the "fun" CD'ing topics and moving them into a forum that newbies may not know to visit....

Whether posters/CDers buy expensive diapers or cheap diapers, seeing a fellow CD'ers post their excitement or enthusiasm over receiving/finding/scoring fluff is EXCITING!

If other newbies are anything like me the "show off", "fluffymail", "stocking" threads are what got me excited about CDing.. It wasnt the "diapering 101" discussions about how you wash them, how to get rid of a rash, etc. that drew me in.... although they were necessary too.

Either way, I will adapt as many of us will but I didnt think it was broke, hence didnt know it needed a fixin'

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[Sustainer]

Originally Posted by annettemarie

Keeping in mind, of course, that the first linked thread refers to an incident where a number of senior member mamas were referred to as "trolls" and worse when one of them posted a picture of a new prefold and snappi as a score.

As I said before, that is NOT what happened. Someone posted a picture of a white prefold and said things like "Check out this incredible dipe -- I can't believe I got it -- you won't believe how amazing it is..." and so on and so forth. And then the next few posters followed suit, saying things like "WOW, those are really RARE! I've never seen one quite like it..." I don't believe any of these first few posters were people who generally post in the diapering forum. Then someone asked what was rare about the diaper, and one of the original posters responded by posting an 'irked' smilie and saying that something didn't have to be rare to be nice. Then ONE person who understandably thought that the purpose of the thread was to mock hyenas, referred to the first few posters as trolls from TAO.

As I said before, anyone who spends any kind of time in the diapering forum should know that prefolds and prefold users are not looked down upon at all. People talk about how much they love their prefolds all the time and we all celebrate their love for their diapers. Many people here have stashes that are half hyena fitteds and half prefolds. I have never seen anyone put down a simple system.

[MissSugarKane]

Who's idea was this anyway? More and more I think it sucks and I don't know why it couldn't be voted on. I was offline for a month. Did I miss something that led up to this?

[boscopup]

Originally Posted by nohomama

I'm not in favor of splitting the main forum in the way that has been described but I would be in favor of a simplification of the diaper forum so that the subforums that existed were pared down and better utilized.

I definitely think that would be a good idea. I really think the biggest problem with the main forum vs. subforums is that people either go to the main forum and ignore the subforums or they go to the subforums and ignore the main forum. I honestly think that it'd be easier if it were either one main forum with no subforums (although that'd be huge), or if it were just subforums with no main forums (essentially, what is currently the "main forum" would be a subforum). But it doesn't look like the mods are planning to do that, so oh well.

And I really really really hate that I have to scroll down to see the main forum. That's my whole thing against the main forum. I don't like to scroll. :LOL

Originally Posted by nohomama

I don't think that was it. It think some sort of distinction was made--one I neither saw nor agreed with.

Is there a mechanism for discussing where a distinction is made when it comes to moderating stuff like this? I don't mean telling a mod that moving a thread was wrong (that's obviously against rules), but just getting clarification on what makes one thread on topic and another off topic? And possibly suggesting the modification of that distinction where it makes sense (again, not pointing at the mod and saying anything bad about their decision, but just making constructive criticism on how things could be improved in the future)?

Originally Posted by nohomama

Perhaps it was charcoal.

[nohomama]

Originally Posted by boscopup

I just don't like seeing the negative attitude of some towards those who are pro-split, especially calling us "self-righteous", etc. There's no need for that, period. I don't think anything bad about those who are against the split. Why are some (and it's just a few!) thinking bad about those who are for it?

As I've said in previous posts to this thread, I've felt a self-righteous attitude coming from some of the people who are pro-split. Not all. Some. Even though it may be coming from a relatively small number of people, it's a strongly negative vibe and difficult to ignor.

[ShabbyChic]

Originally Posted by MissSugarKane

Who's idea was this anyway? More and more I think it sucks and I don't know why it couldn't be voted on. I was offline for a month. Did I miss something that led up to this?

I have been here and this is news to me as of this thread.

[PatchyMama]

no offense boscopup --- as i really feel you have valid reasons for wanting the split. But you havent been here that long.... there is quite a bit of "history" of righteous people putting down mamas for spending money frivilously (in their opinion) on diapers. Most of the threads however get deleted....But the negative undertone that Alice and others are talking about is around and has been for a while now. I think you are just lucky enough that is hasnt been brought up lately. :LOL

And FWIW .... I dont spend big money on diapers, I make my own, but I still see it

ETA - my coment about you not being here long isnt to discredit your opinion or anything like that... as I said you have valid reasons for liking it. It was just to point out that there is more history to it that may not be obvious to anyone who has joined in the last 5/6 months, kwim?

[ShadowMom]

Originally Posted by nohomama

I've been on boards that are more heavily moderated too. It's not that I think these boards are over moderated. It's that I think there are more incidents of what I consider strange and/or unecessary moderation and that this split will provide more opportunity for that kind of strangeness.

I have personally not been on any other boards that are this heavily moderated at all. This board has quite a heavy hand. That isn't the moderators' fault... I'm sure they are getting instructions from TPTB on how closely they need to handle/monitor things.

But, anytime you have someone moderating so much, there are going to be some missed calls. Just like a referee... a referee has to essentially micromanage, say, a basketball game. Because the ref is just standing there making all of these decisions, some calls are going to be missed/blown.

ANYhow... currently it appears that "show off" and "stocking" threads are simply being relegated to the subforum, which doesn't have a lot of activity (and if those are the only threads that it's for, I can't see it changing). So it looks like it may just end up being a dead subforum, like some of the other ones. Only now we can't just post a pic of your stash in the main diapering forum like we used to.

[nohomama]

Originally Posted by mama2kyla

there is quite a bit of "history" of righteous people putting down mamas for spending money frivilously (in their opinion) on diapers.

Unfortunately, I have to agree. I've not posted much in the 2+ years I've been a member but I've read quite a bit. That sentiment exists.

[Sustainer]

Originally Posted by boscopup

Thanks, Jennisee! Scanning those threads, I still don't think that most people are making the implications that Sustainer was talking about.

You went to this thread and you still don't think that the agenda is to banish the hyenas? Everyone who is reading this thread right now, please click on the above thread and judge for yourselves. I want everyone to know what is really going on here!

[Jennisee]

Originally Posted by MissSugarKane

Who's idea was this anyway? More and more I think it sucks and I don't know why it couldn't be voted on. I was offline for a month. Did I miss something that led up to this?

There was a thread late at night that got very nasty and was deleted. I don't want to go into details and dredge up hurt feelings, but if you're interested, feel free to PM me. Then there was the first thread I linked to. Then there was the second thread I linked to. If anything else happened, I either missed it, or my late-night brain has temporarily forgotten it.

Originally Posted by KristiMetz

ANYhow... currently it appears that "show off" and "stocking" threads are simply being relegated to the subforum, which doesn't have a lot of activity (and if those are the only threads that it's for, I can't see it changing). So it looks like it may just end up being a dead subforum, like some of the other ones. Only now we can't just post a pic of your stash in the main diapering forum like we used to.

Honestly, I think that was the whole point.

[Oceanone]

Alice, I remember that thread. It was very insulting and it felt disappointing to be made fun of on my own home ground so to speak. The mama who started it was a cder I respected too. I was very surprised. I have never and I have never seen simple diapering/ prefolds etc put down in this forum at all. The prejudice all runs the other way. I think that's why people are taking the change as a judgement call to an extent.

However, if people are staying away from the diapering forum because of stocking and showing threads then that's a shame. I hope they all jump on the new abbreviated forum, the more the merrier.

My immediate thought re moderaters is that this is an awful lot of extra work for them. But their time and efforts must be considered worth this change.

I'm happy to give it a whirl, will continue to answer questions and still compliment the cute babes, each in a different sub forum.

[boscopup]

Originally Posted by mama2kyla

no offense boscopup --- as i really feel you have valid reasons for wanting the split. But you havent been here that long.... there is quite a bit of "history" of righteous people putting down mamas for spending money frivilously (in their opinion) on diapers.

No offense taken. It's obvious that alot has happened in the past that newcomers like me don't know about. And I think everyone needs to realize that this board is going to change out members over time, so the community from 6 months ago is not necessarily the same community as now. And I think if people are putting down mamas who stalk, maybe they should be reported to the moderators?

I was referring to Sustainer's particular comment where she seemed (at least to me, and she can correct me if I'm wrong in reading this) to be saying that all of the people who were pro-split were of this type of momma:

Originally Posted by Sustainer

They are the threads that certain frugal diapering mamas (the ones who want the split) are bothered by, either because they're bitter about not being able to afford the diapers, or because they have a self-righteous attitude about "consumerism."

Maybe she didn't mean it the way it sounded, but when she says "the ones who want the split", it sounds like she's saying that all of those who want the split are frugal mamas that are bothered by particular threads. This may very well be a misunderstanding of what she's saying, but the way I read it, it's kind of hurtful to those who are pro-split, yet not anti-hyena. KWIM? Especially since no one in this particular thread has posted anything anti-hyena.

[sewingbarbj]

I don't like the idea of spliting the forum. I think it is already moderated enough without spliting every one into two camps.

[My3babes]

Alice that is one powerful thread!! I couldnt even read past page one...

Really It is sad that everyone cant get along... no matter what our diapering preferences maybe...

[Jennisee]

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[nohomama]

Originally Posted by Sustainer

You went to this thread and you still don't think that the agenda is to banish the hyenas? Everyone who is reading this thread right now, please click on the above thread and judge for yourselves. I want everyone to know what is really going on here!

All I have to say is, "Damn!" There's venom in those words, no doubt. Vicious. And sad, very sad.

[My3babes]

A segregation is here.. alive and well..

We all assume too much about others by the type of diapers they buy...

[ShadowMom]

Originally Posted by Jennisee

Honestly, I think that was the whole point.

Exactly.

You know what I don't get? Why isn't this controversy happening in Babywearing? Lots of people spend $150 or more for a baby carrier. There are babywearers who collect and for whom (who?) it's a hobby. Why isn't everyone getting their dander up over there? (why isn't it being split into subforums?)

[Sugarwoman]

I hate the idea of splitting it up. It takes all the fun out of the diapering forum IMO.