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post #1 of 70
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I guess I just need "listening eyes" from understanding friends right now. In a world so full of hate and greed, I'm feeling so disillusioned for my kids right now. My 5 yr old started Kinder this year. It's really, really bad for him. He is basically being persecuted for being "different". ALL of the boys in his class pick on him. Even some of the girls are calling him names now. It's so hard for him (and me) to understand. He is a cute boy - always clean and well dressed, so it's definately not a hygeine issue or anything like that. It seems to merely be the fact that he doesn't enjoy violent play or speech. Even our neighbor boy that rides to school with us and plays with Jonah on the weekends has been bullying him around the other boys. He says he has NO friends at school. The boys take every opportunity to do things like choke him when he's getting a drink from the fountain, punch him in the bathroom, at recess and at lunch and verbally abuse him. One day he looked under the table and a boy at his table kicked him in the face. He came home with a swollen SHOE PRINT by his eye.

I have had a couple of conversations with his teacher and she is trying to help. I've spoken with him several times and instructed him to never hit back, but to make eye contact with the child(ren) and firmly say "DO NOT HIT ME", then to tell an adult. He has done that and they just laugh. He is a pretty mild kid, so I imagine that he doesn't say it very loudly or firmly. Knowing he feels bullied is just feeding the meanness of the other boys.

Jonah is the type of kid that has never owned a toy gun, never (with my permission) watched violent television (or hardly ANY TV at all for that matter). He likes puzzles, dinosaurs and art. They like Power Rangers, Sponge Bob and hitting. Today, the neighbor kid came over to play for a bit. When he walked in the door, he grabbed one of Jonah's toys and said to Jonah that he was going in the back yard to play by himself. I told him no, that it had been raining all day and the mosquitos were bad. He looked at Jonah, raised his voice and said "Well, I wanted to play with this BY MYSELF not with YOU!" (nasty, disdainful inflection on the "you"). I told him to go home if wanted to play alone. Later, they were having a snack and Jonah told the other child that his favorite cartoon character is "Bob the Builder". Th other kid literally sneered at him and said "I don't watch that ". I like Sponge Bob. Jonah said "Sponge Bob has bad manners.". Part of wanted to laugh because it was cute, but part of me knows that these are the things that are encouraging my son the be victimized.

Have I failed my son by making him tender? Oh, this is the hardest parenting thing I think I've dealt with. He's had chronic diarrhea since day 2 of school (4 weeks ago!) and his belly hurts every morning. He says he wants to homeschool. I kind of feel like, although I would love to swoop down and rip my baby out of the lion's den, I would be making things worse. If I remove him now, won't that have a negative effect on how he learns to deal with adversity?

If you've gotten this far, thank you.
post #2 of 70
If it were my child, I'd remove him from the school.

I realize that people have to learn how to get along and stand up for themselves, etc. but I don't think a 5 year old has the skills to do it alone and if he is in a more positive environment and develops a strong sense of self esteem, it's likely that maybe by 7 or 10, he would be able to stand up for himself better and handle the situation more effectively.

The fact that he's asked to stay home and is developing physical illness and getting physically injured tells me that this is WAY out of control and your child needs to be protected before things escalate even more.

If he asks you to help him (which he's done by asking to get him out of the situation) and you don't, he may withdraw and learn that he cannot come to you and has to do things alone.

Bullying is terrible. I hate that this happens to any child. I am sorry your little one is going through this and hope you find a resolution that fits for everyone.

BTW, you've done nothing wrong in your parenting. You are raising a boy to be a peaceful person, someone who is tender and caring. These are the kinds of people that we need in the world to help heal it. Keep up the good work.
post #3 of 70
If the only thing stopping you from taking him out is to avoid setting a precedent for dealing with tough situations, take him out NOW. He's 5. He does not and should not need to have the skills to deal with this yet.

I am so sorry. My son starts kindergarten on Monday and I'm worried sick about something similar happening to him. It's unbelievable that such little kids have already learned to be so petty and cruel.
post #4 of 70
I agree. If you possibly can, I say pull him out immediately. He does NOT need to learn to deal with that kind of adversity, not at that age. What he does need is to be in an environment where he is cared for and encouraged. Any school where that kind of behavior is allowed to persist past the first incident is obviously not a safe place for him. So yeah, find another environment for him, or keep him home and love him as much as you possibly can. If you really want him in school, try again in a few years.

That's my opinion. I am so sorry that he's going through this. I was a public school teacher and I have seen far too many children put through similar experiences, and it's horrible. It's even more horrible when the school is the kind of environment where such behavior is allowed to happen.
post #5 of 70
Well, I am the type of parent that believes my child should feel safe at school. The day my child would come home having been kicked in the face, would have been his last day there.
There is absolutely no reason your child should have to put up with any of that. There is no reason that his teachers and the staff at the school should be allowed to let that type of behavior be routine.
My children have been pulled from three schools and never had any problems because of it. Rather they are nowin schools they love.
My dd is in the third grade, but has been put in fifth grade reading/writing and math.
By pulling my children out of schools that have not been safe, it has only strengthened our bond. They know that I will do everything in my power to make them safe.
No, they have never lied about their experiences just to get pulled. We have a very open and honest relationship.

Ask yourself, if you were a small child that was not feeling safe, what would you want the adults in your life to do?

Every child loves to learn, but will never learn if they are in a hostile environment. Putting a child in a hostile situation only teaches them that the adults do not care about them.
post #6 of 70
Oh mama, I feel so sad. My son is not old enough for school yet, but I have always said that if I do send my child to school and he is bullied I will pull him out in a heartbeat. Your son is only 5 and he has every right to want to continue to be a child.

My friend's grandson was ridiculed for a Bob the Builder backpack he wore to Kindergarten. It is just not right.

I know this is hard for you, but if it were me I would pull him out ASAP. If you can homeschool, do it.

Peace to you mama.
post #7 of 70
Well, I gave my personal opinion and then called my cousin who runs a bullying program, so I thought I'd share her advice.

She said it's critical to document every incident he can tell you about. If there are physical injuries, photograph. If there are ripped clothes, photograph or pile them somewhere for future reference. When you have it all compiled take it to the school and present it to them. They NEED to act on this.

Some states have bullying bylaws. If yours does, check because the authorities will get involved.

She suggested that Barbara Colorosso's book about bullying has some great ideas on how to build his self esteem, methods of handling bullying etc. She said it's a great tool.

If want some more advice or info you can go to www.bullying.org She said she thought they had some good advice and other parents who are going through or have been through the same thing.

Keep doing whatever you can to build his self-esteem. Praise & such is more important now than ever and praise him when he interacts well with others.

She said there are mixed opinions about pulling him out of school. Her perspective (as a non-parent and someone who runs a program) is that there are ways to handle this that will help him stop being a victim and help him get through it.

As a parent, my heart still says, get him out.

I hope some of this is useful for you and your son.
post #8 of 70
Please.

I beg you.


Please.

Please take him out of school.

Thirtysomething years ago, this was me.

It didn't make me a better person. It didn't "toughen me up." It didn't teach me about tolerance, about getting along in the real world, about standing up for myself.

It taught me that I was sh*t. It taught me that my ideas were of no value and that no one liked me for who and what I was. It taught me to hate with a hate that was pure as poison.

Thirty years later, I'm still suspicious of people, still convinced they don't really like me, and if they do seem like they actually enjoy my company, I'm secretly worried they're just using me.

I developed a great deal of anger and it's taken me a long time even to come to terms with it this much. Yeah, yeah, I know it's in the past, I should get over it, . I can't get over it any more than people can really "get over" a miscarriage or a mastectomy. You learn to live with it. Get over it? Naaah.


Please keep him home. If they'd had homeschooling when I was a child, I would have begged my mother on bended knee to keep me home. It started in Kindergarten and didn't ease up until high school for me. We're homeschooling our child partly because of this -- I do NOT NOT NOT want history to repeat itself.

If there's any way you can do it, keep him home. He sounds like a great little kid. You did not do anything wrong.
post #9 of 70
The treatment of your son is just heartbreaking! It made me so sad to read that children could be so cruel to eachother, especially since my son just started preschool.

If you can homeschool, or afford a private school where maybe the children are a little better behaved (my son, who can be sensitive and shy just started waldorf preschool which he absolutely was so scared to go to and absolutely loved his first day and couldn't wait to go again) I would definitely go for it. 5 years old is too young to be dealing with that from other people, in fact, if I had a job where people treated me like that, I would probably quit the job! Pull him out of that school! And hugs to you.

Oh, and I hate spongebob, too! I agree with your son! :LOL
post #10 of 70
This is something that scares me. I went thru school as a child that was picked on and tormented. Thru my experiance I know beyond a doubt that if my children are put in a situation like that they will be removed from school and either put in anouther one or I will do my best to home school her to protect her. It shaped my life and made me someone that i didnt like. It took me till I was almost 30 to let go of the past and move on with my life. Things like this will shape who your child is for life. If it were me I would remove him now before it is to late. Later when he is older and has a better since of self then you can decide if he should go back to school. Honestly tho if a child hits my child i would not expect her to just take it. That is how I was taught as a child and sometimes i cant help but wounder if things would have been different had I stood up for myself. I in no way will encourage my children to hit, i dont beleive that it is right or acceptable to hit but I also will not tell them that they should let others hurt them and just look the other way. Having gone thru this myself i can understand more the ramafications of having others treat u this way. And how it is devastating to the confadence of a person. Hugs to you and your son.
post #11 of 70
I'm so sorry mama!! How terrible for you and your little boy. I agree with the PP's, if at all possible pull him out of school. No child should have to deal with that. Who are these children's parents that they were raised to be so cruel? *sigh* maybe I'm making the right decison to homeschool.
post #12 of 70
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Originally Posted by MRDCatLvr
i cant help but wounder if things would have been different had I stood up for myself. .
No.

Speaking personally. No. They just pushed back harder. It wasn't until I was on top of this girl and beating her face in -- and taking real pleasure in doing so -- that it finally stopped.

If this were happening at work, you wouldn't quit. You'd sue. Maybe someone should threaten the school with lawsuits over failure to protect -- or the parents of the bullies for assault and battery.
post #13 of 70
I am so so sorry your son (and your family) are going through this. It stuns me to read it, even though I'm aware of just how sadly common this is.

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Originally Posted by srain
If the only thing stopping you from taking him out is to avoid setting a precedent for dealing with tough situations, take him out NOW. He's 5. He does not and should not need to have the skills to deal with this yet.
This makes sense to me. I think I'd be more concerned about setting a precedent of negative associations of school for your son and a precedent for those who are teasing to go on doing so. I recently read Gordon Neufeld's Hold On To Your Kids and it was a real eye opener to the extreme conditions of "peer orientation." I highly recommend it to you.

As to the question of possibly having failed your son? Not at all. He is who he is because of nurture yes, but also nature. He does indeed sound wise for his young years, particularly in the department of emotional maturity.

In many ways my DS sounds very much like yours; art, books, dinosaurs, games and puzzles. He adores Bob the Builder, and Mike Mulligan, and also Madeline and Pippi. Right now however, he is struggling emotionally because having spent time around boys his own age, he can already sense that he's different. When he was three, he had a few negative experiences with other boys and frankly, he handled them pretty well. OTOH, the experiences made a huge impact on him and he has spent the better part of age four trying hard to reconcile just who he is. He is still all the things I mentioned above, but he's also been aggressive and terribly anxious at times. All strong emotions including sadness come out as anger. Particularly, when we are around other boys. My best guess is that no matter the case, he feels threatened and strikes out first rather than be struck. kwim? One wouldn't think a few isolated incidents would color his perception so much, but he's very sensitive so I guess it stands to reason. He gets along much better with girls, but can be very shy around them. At present, I'm feeling a bit at a loss as to how to help him. The bottom line however, is that it's extremely evident to me that it is those who are sensitive, mild and "different" who are the most vulnerable to this kind of teasing and singling out. It can change who they are. We unschool, but I know that these are issues he'll need to work through regardless of schooling status. I'm just thankful that he'll be working this stuff out in a loving, caring and secure environment.

I wish I had sage advice, mama. I do give you my heartfelt support whatever you decide.

The best,
Em
post #14 of 70
I agree with everything Charles Baudelaire wrote. I was also that kid. Everything Charles wrote holds true for me.

In addition, I was told by my mother to ignore the behavior, that they were only doing these things to me for attention. My father told me to toughen up and fight back. I was too afraid to fight back, and too sensitive. I didn't really want to hurt anyone, even though people were kicking the crap out of me. Ignoring it was really my only choice, because I was afraid to do anything. Ignoring did not help. I was bullied terribly, and what I did was just draw deeper and deeper into myself. I froze all my emotions so I couldn't feel the emotional pain anymore. I also felt that God must feel this way about me, and for a while I was convinced that I was going to hell when I died.

i still have horrible problems with self-esteem. It took me a very long time to learn to relate to other people in any kind of a normal fashion, because I simply don't trust them. I still think everyone hates me, and I have to work very hard at trusting anyone with any real emotion.

So yes, please.

Please.

Get him out of there.

Now.
post #15 of 70
: All of that up there! I can't add anything that hasn't already been said! Hugs to you and your great little guy!
post #16 of 70
I agree with the pp's. Keep him home now. I would also make the biggest dang stink at that school....how about going to the media with that story of how your son is treated and not protected at school?? If he was with a babysitter who was doing that, you'd be calling the police.

You can keep him home while you look into different schools, he can start 1st grade somewhere else. Kindergarten is easy to do at home, should you decide to. Best of luck. How sad and scary for you both.
post #17 of 70
Baudelaire, I could have written your post. I spend the better part of my school years being bullied, and I have issues stemming from that which I deal with EVERY DAY.

CraftyKitty, I'm so sorry your son has to deal with this. No child should ever, for any reason, be kicked in the face. He should never have to worry for his personal safety. It is my advice that you should homeschool him, but of course only you can make that decision. In addition, I would take all documented proof of bullying and, after pulling my child from school, would CC copies of said documents, along with a well-written letter to explain why I chose to homeschool, to my child's teacher, the principal of the school, and every member of the food chain all the way up to the superintendent. Probably even the press, I feel so strongly about it.

I really am sorry you and your son have been put in this position. Nobody should have to deal with this.
post #18 of 70
I am so sorry that your son (and you) are going through this. I am a former PS teacher and geez, that sounds like the classroom from he**!

I consider myself an excellent teacher with excellent 'classroom management' but *still* teachers can't control the types of kids they get. Because of this, when the time comes, I am going to homeschool.

I say if you have the means and are willing get your son out of there! You are great for nurturing him and bringing him up to be a kind, tender boy. Don't let the behavior of others' kids make you doubt yourself for a second!

Plus, I've seen SO many great resources on the homeschooling board that I'm sure you'd get the support you needed to begin.

Good luck!
post #19 of 70
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Originally Posted by Charles Baudelaire
You'd sue. Maybe someone should threaten the school with lawsuits over failure to protect -- or the parents of the bullies for assault and battery.
This is exactly what you SHOULD do, in addition to everything else. Schools are supposed to have a zero tolerance policy. If the teacher can't control her room, she's incompetent. The offending children should be in detention. Yeah, kinder is young for detention and explusion, but violence should never be tolerated.

They said Columbine was b/c of the boys being bullied relentlessly. Not saying that's the path your son would take at all, but it's an important thing to consider.

Call the school, call the police department, call the media. This is beyond your son not liking school and being sad about it, this is about violence and bodily harm.
post #20 of 70
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Originally Posted by Charles Baudelaire
Maybe someone should threaten the school with lawsuits over failure to protect.
Now that is the best idea I have ever heard in regards to the education system in this country!

My nephew was continually bullied in his school. His mother just continued to harrass the teachers and principal. It ended with my nephew getting stabbed in the leg with a pencil by a well-known bully.

Unfortunately, he is now the bully in his new school.

I am hoping my sister will get him therapy and whatever other support he needs.
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