What is the good,the bad,and the ugly of Mary Kay skincare?

[KindRedSpirit]

The good,it does what it says it will do really well,and is not as expensive.(Money-wise...)
The bad,it has lots of chemicals...Please elaborate on this for me if you know more specifics...
The ugly,tons of packaging,and "disposables" -most of the packaging is recyclable,though,right?
OK here is why I would like to know these things.I'm comming out of the pink closet here.I am a consultant.I went from baking soda and vinegar to marykay!I am not meaning to betray my sister BS and ACV belivers.I just want to know the truth about where these products stand in a world of natural/organic meets synthetic.Is this an oil and water issue?Or is there a possible balance.What am I working with here?I would love some in-depth science,as well as your thoughts and opinions on the matter.I would also love to know if there are any others of us in the pink closet...(you can pm me if you're too shy...)Don't worry,I won't sell to you unless you ask me for my marykay website.

[KindRedSpirit]

I just did a search on every ingredient in the satin hands hand cream, and I am pleasantly surprised at how natural it is!I didn't find tocopherol,iodopropynl,butylcarbamate,or red4,if anyone can lead me to them,but all the rest were pretty natural,or a gas,or a molecular function.Very interesting!This brings me to another questionand i may post it as a seperate thread,which is-what is your defenition of natural ingredients and how does it ,if at all ,differ from your defenition of organic?Hmmmmmmmmm...

[LadyButler]

Originally Posted by KindRedSpirit

I didn't find tocopherol,iodopropynl,butylcarbamate,or red4,if anyone can lead me to them,but all the rest were pretty natural,or a gas,or a molecular function.

Tocopherol is just vitamin E.

[SharonAnne]

I thought I read somewhere that Mary Kay tests their products on human foreskin. Again, I THOUGHT I read that somewhere and I could be wrong.

[kaydee]

They do not test their products or any of their products' ingredients on nonhuman animals, nor do they hire others to do so or allow their suppliers to do so.

[grisandole]

Originally Posted by SharonAnne

I thought I read somewhere that Mary Kay tests their products on human foreskin. Again, I THOUGHT I read that somewhere and I could be wrong.

Yes, you can search in the circ fourm for the info. IIRC, the MK foundation funded a study of using human foreskin to test products (the foreskins taken from babies of course) as an alternative to animal testing That made me stop buying MK, and I did like their products. I use Aveda now

[KindRedSpirit]

Does the above mentioned site have more specifics on this?1-is it true,2-is it still in practice?I am abhorred by such human disrespect!

[grisandole]

I know the thread on it in the circ fourm was very detailed, lots of info.

[Rebecca]

I used to use MK products. I liked that they don't test on animals and allow a woman to provide herself with some income if she were selling it.

About the foreskin issue, hadn't heard that before. And as anti-circ as I am (and I AM VERY AGAINST IT), at least those little bits of baby skin are serving a purpose. It's not as if they actively advocate circ, and those parents who had it done probably would have had it done regardless of what was done with their son's skin. I guess I'm happier that it's tested on 'dead' skin rather than on live and feeling animals (I'm assuming that the foreskin cells were cultured and grown in a lab and the testing was done on that sample since they couldn't really be in the hospital with their testing kit patiently awaiting the next amputee's body part). I mean, how else could they test on skin as sensitive as an eyelid without artificially growing tissue in a lab or tying down a bunny?

[AntoninBeGonin]

Originally Posted by grisandole

Yes, you can search in the circ fourm for the info. IIRC, the MK foundation funded a study of using human foreskin to test products (the foreskins taken from babies of course) as an alternative to animal testing That made me stop buying MK, and I did like their products. I use Aveda now

OH MY GAWD!!! That is horrible! I guess I need to switch make-up brands. So what do you think of Aveda?

~Nay

[kaydee]

Originally Posted by grisandole

I use Aveda now

Unfortunately, Aveda has *not* committed to eliminating nonhuman animal testing from their entire supply line. It says that its finished products aren't tested on animals, but that doesn't mean anything--most finished products aren't tested. The testing happens at the ingredient level, and to date, Aveda has not signed on to the standard that assures consumers that both products *and* ingredients are free of animal testing. If you like their products and care about animals, call them and ask them to sign the Corporate Standard of Compassion for Animals (administered by the Coalition for Consumer Information on Cosmetics ).

[alchymy]

there is an alternative

Hi KRSpirit
here is an alternative, MiEssence is the ONLY certified organic Hair care, Cosmetics, Skin Care and Personal products range, NO chemicals, NO Synthetics.
A great alternative for 'no poo' as well.
www.e-organics.com.au OR
http://onegrp.com/?ally-j either link will get you to the same place.

I started using this when 'no poo' was not working for me, cos my hair was too thin to cope with the greasies. Anyways, havent looked back. a fantastic product that makes you realise what chemicals we are actually using.
Safe for babies too!