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post #21 of 136
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Originally Posted by crunchymomof2
I was thinking how stylish my scar is...
No need to roll your eyes. The way things are going, our scars probably are stylish. Of course, I don't care about being in style, and never have, so that's not much consolation for three unwanted surgeries.

I wish midwives here would attend a VBA3C. But, I've looked into it already, and they won't. Their guidelines only allow them to attend VBAC - once two or more cesareans have been done, the woman has to see an OB. Of course, I may not be having any more, anyway...
post #22 of 136
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Originally Posted by mama ganoush
gee, it's so surprising that the natural birth movement and nfl/ap movements remain such a fringe element. What new mom wouldn't want to join such a warm, supportive, gentle community?


boy is my c&p getting alot of use lately.....
no joking.
post #23 of 136
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Originally Posted by mama ganoush
gee, it's so surprising that the natural birth movement and nfl/ap movements remain such a fringe element. What new mom wouldn't want to join such a warm, supportive, gentle community?
You mean, as opposed to the mainstream..the "community" that says I cheat because I've been bullied into c-sections and had one done against my will...the "community" that calls me an obsessed fruitloop because I wanted a VBA2C...the "community" that tells me how lucky I am to have been cut open three times when I didn't want to be?

Yeah - the nfl/ap movement - at least as far as I can tell from these forums - is tremendously warm, supportive and gentle. People are only human, and watching women choose primary elective sections for non-medical reasons is frustrating when you're trying to convince your friends, family and caregivers that c-sections are not the easy, convenient option...
post #24 of 136
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Originally Posted by Storm Bride
You mean, as opposed to the mainstream..the "community" that says I cheat because I've been bullied into c-sections and had one done against my will...the "community" that calls me an obsessed fruitloop because I wanted a VBA2C...the "community" that tells me how lucky I am to have been cut open three times when I didn't want to be?

Yeah - the nfl/ap movement - at least as far as I can tell from these forums - is tremendously warm, supportive and gentle. People are only human, and watching women choose primary elective sections for non-medical reasons is frustrating when you're trying to convince your friends, family and caregivers that c-sections are not the easy, convenient option...
Those of us who have attempted a VBAC know you are 100 percent correct.
post #25 of 136
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Originally Posted by Storm Bride
No need to roll your eyes. The way things are going, our scars probably are stylish. Of course, I don't care about being in style, and never have, so that's not much consolation for three unwanted surgeries.

I wish midwives here would attend a VBA3C. But, I've looked into it already, and they won't. Their guidelines only allow them to attend VBAC - once two or more cesareans have been done, the woman has to see an OB. Of course, I may not be having any more, anyway...
Does Gloria Lemay still attend births in BC? I think she might do a VBA3C. I know two women who have done it, but I think unassisted.
post #26 of 136
Well, the too posh to push thing is annoying (esp when you know they get tummy tucks and the rest of us who really didn't want surgery and often got it unnecessarily just have the fat pushed back any which way, forming the lovely "shelf" we all know and love). I mean, I'm okay with women choosing primary c/s if they are truly informed-- I don't want anyone taking away my right to HBAC, so I won't say they can't do primary c/s. It just is annoying that it's so public and becoming increasingly the norm. On the other hand, some stars have set different examples, notably Kate Winslet, who is very vocal about how VBAC changed her life, and I think Gwyneth Paltrow and some other stars and models have had natural births. Pamela ANderson I've heard even had some of hers at home. Go figure.
post #27 of 136
Baby number four is still a hypothetical - dh doesn't want anymore, but we've agreed to discuss it again a few months down the road. He knows he may change his mind when my fitness level has improved (Evan's only 7 weeks old) and we've adjusted to the newborn upheaval...

I don't know. I'll see if I can find anything on the name. I'm afraid I'm too chicken for an unassisted birth. I'd be afraid I wouldn't realize if something did go wrong...I'm the one who was too oblivious to even realize that my baby had turned breech during labour - despite the constant back pain and the big lump beside my belly button that should have been recognizable as a head.
post #28 of 136
Whatis "c&p"? Saw a couple people use it.

StormBride: Have you consdiered trekking to The Farm? Last I knew they would attend VBA3Cs

Namaste, Tara
mama to Doodle (7), Butterfly (2), and Rythm (due at home 1/06)
post #29 of 136
Lets not forget that the "Pain" of c-section recovery will probably be verrrrry minimal for a mega-rich celebrity who will have every available drug and helper and luxury avaiable to her, 24/7.

My pain, which lasted MONTHS, was very much based in the being alone to care for a 3 y/o and newborn, nursing, sleep deprivation, infected scar but too hurt to imagine taking the crew in to the doctor, couldnt take pain meds cuz of nursing, having to clean, cook, etc etc etcte c


Now, i dont know if Britney plans to nurse although i DOUBT it, but if i had that c-section, got to completely sleep, get massges, get wonderful care physically and emotionally, incredible food, not have to take care of my baby or any other kids, then maybe yeah i can see why vaginal would "hurt more" but it is still REDICULOUS and she is lucky nothing went wrong.

Elective c-sections should be preposterous and illegal.
post #30 of 136
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Originally Posted by MamaTaraX
Whatis "c&p"?
"Cut and Paste." Not unlike a c/s!!
post #31 of 136
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Originally Posted by MamaTaraX
StormBride: Have you consdiered trekking to The Farm? Last I knew they would attend VBA3Cs
hmm...don't know if that would be doable from here...I'd probably have to stay for an awfully long time, considering the border crossing and the distance to travel and everything. I wouldn't want to separate dh from the kids (or me!) for that long, and he'd have to work.

But, if we do move to Knoxville, which we're considering, then it's certainly an idea. We were talking about it for this baby if the move had happened last summer...

I've seen a few references to Ina May being "sizeist". Do you know if there's anything to that? I'm far from a slim woman.
post #32 of 136
I wonder how she's feeling about her "pain-free" delivery TODAY? Not so pain-free after all....I wonder how she'll feel about it in 3 weeks...6 weeks. Maybe she'll learn a lesson.
post #33 of 136
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Originally Posted by Storm Bride
hmm...don't know if that would be doable from here...I'd probably have to stay for an awfully long time, considering the border crossing and the distance to travel and everything. I wouldn't want to separate dh from the kids (or me!) for that long, and he'd have to work.

But, if we do move to Knoxville, which we're considering, then it's certainly an idea. We were talking about it for this baby if the move had happened last summer...

I've seen a few references to Ina May being "sizeist". Do you know if there's anything to that? I'm far from a slim woman.
I don't want to be a party pooper, but I'd say the Farm is not the best bet for most VBACs. They are very particular and will only attend OOH if you have a double suture (most women don't). I have also heard they are a bit er, prejudiced about larger women. Personally I boycott them and Ina Mae's books because of the ridiculous suture rule that really has not very much basis.

If you haven't joined the ICAN list, I suggest that, there are a couple of regular successful VBA3Cers there as well as a few more planning to do it. Maybe they could discuss how they did it with you-- I know UBAC is a big step, but it might be worth exploring (esp if you can get a monitrice). Actually, I do believe one did VBA3C her first vaginal with a doctor, but I can't remember. That was a few years back. Also check out Kmom's site-- plus-size-pregnancy.org if you haven't, she has analysis of VBAC after multiple c/s studies on hers and a lot of info on that and VBAC generally. She is a successful VBA2Cer and a woman of size.
post #34 of 136
Totally agree on the ICAN list. That gave me the strength to insist on going for a VBAC and sticking to my guns even as I went "overdue."
post #35 of 136
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Originally Posted by Soxfan Mom
Totally agree on the ICAN list. That gave me the strength to insist on going for a VBAC and sticking to my guns even as I went "overdue."
I wish I had. My OB threatened to withdraw, and I caved...
post #36 of 136
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Originally Posted by Storm Bride
I wish I had. My OB threatened to withdraw, and I caved...
What he was did was probably illegal. I think in most states OBs have to give 30 days notice before they can actually dump a patient, which means at the end of pregnancy, they couldn't technically do it in time. Haven't looked into it too deeply though.
post #37 of 136
I'm in Canada, and I don't know what the guidelines are. He said that he'd be guilty of malpractice if he "let" me go any further (I was 41w, 4d). Maybe it's true - malpractice suits haven't made the situation with moms wanting VBACs any easier.

The really difficult thing is that I know he was genuinely concerned about the baby and about me and I actually like the guy. This makes it very difficult to deal with my anger in a reasonable fashion. I feel much the same way about my FP. And, they're more VBAC-friendly than most doctors around here...
post #38 of 136
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Originally Posted by Storm Bride
I'm in Canada, and I don't know what the guidelines are. He said that he'd be guilty of malpractice if he "let" me go any further (I was 41w, 4d). Maybe it's true - malpractice suits haven't made the situation with moms wanting VBACs any easier.

The really difficult thing is that I know he was genuinely concerned about the baby and about me and I actually like the guy. This makes it very difficult to deal with my anger in a reasonable fashion. I feel much the same way about my FP. And, they're more VBAC-friendly than most doctors around here...
storm bride, check out the www.birthlove.com website. there should be a way to contact gloria lemay from there. if you have a possibility of having a baby in edmonton i know a midwife who would likely attend. also, i'd recommend reading The Silent Knife - very good book that helps you get in touch with your anger pretty easily

mandi
post #39 of 136
To posh to push just stinks. I say kudos to Cindy Crawford, a 2 time homebirther. If you really want to rile people up tell them your vag. delivery wasn't painful. I was at a BBQ the other day and all these women were scaring this poor mama to be to death. I walked right over to her and said that it was pressure but if you take it one surge at a time not to bad. And it wasn't pain. Slammed my fingers in a door once and THAT was pain.
post #40 of 136
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Originally Posted by carolyn_babycakes
I wonder how she's feeling about her "pain-free" delivery TODAY? Not so pain-free after all....I wonder how she'll feel about it in 3 weeks...6 weeks. Maybe she'll learn a lesson.
UGH. I remember the next morning. It was awful. And degrading! I had to walk across a room I shared with 3 other moms [all vaginal births, of course], with the nurse hanging onto my catheter and blood running down my legs. We walked into the bathroom, and the nurse had to pull out my catheter and clean me up while I just sat on the toilet, holding onto the sink and the wall for dear life because it hurt to move.
Oh...and lets not forget the whole, learning to pee part! I had completely forgotten how to pee. I'd sit on the toilet for 10, 20 minutes sometimes before my bladder would finally be empty.
Whenever I hear of elective c-sections, I'm reminded of my recovery and it just makes me want to cry. Blah! Bad memories...
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