Britney Spears had her baby... ELECTIVE C/S - Page 3

[Mom2baldie]

not to go completely off topic and I mean no disrespect, but how is telling someone that a natural labor and birth is not painful being more helpful than telling her how excruciating it is?

for most women it IS very painful. I have had a cesarean and 2 natural vbacs and they were ALL painful, and for me, my vbacs were more painful than my cesarean recovery, luckily I don't have 6 week long labors!

[jemaco]

Originally Posted by Mom2baldie

not to go completely off topic and I mean no disrespect, but how is telling someone that a natural labor and birth is not painful being more helpful than telling her how excruciating it is?

for most women it IS very painful. I have had a cesarean and 2 natural vbacs and they were ALL painful, and for me, my vbacs were more painful than my cesarean recovery, luckily I don't have 6 week long labors!

I don't think anyone was saying we should tell people that natural birth is pain free!

[Mom2baldie]

Oops, Im sorry Jemaco. When I responded I was referring to this:

If you really want to rile people up tell them your vag. delivery wasn't painful. I was at a BBQ the other day and all these women were scaring this poor mama to be to death. I walked right over to her and said that it was pressure but if you take it one surge at a time not to bad. And it wasn't pain. Slammed my fingers in a door once and THAT was pain.

that was posted right before mine.

[jemaco]

I see... sorry! Must have my placenta goggles on today...

[Rach]

Originally Posted by Mom2baldie

not to go completely off topic and I mean no disrespect, but how is telling someone that a natural labor and birth is not painful being more helpful than telling her how excruciating it is?
for most women it IS very painful. I have had a cesarean and 2 natural vbacs and they were ALL painful, and for me, my vbacs were more painful than my cesarean recovery, luckily I don't have 6 week long labors!

Well, for her it probably wasn't painful. And with all the different childbirthing/laboring techiniques, some do say that it's pressure, not pain.
I see no difference in telling someone it's not painful and telling someone it's the most excruciating feeling of their life and that they'll be begging for drugs.
For many women, hearing the "truth" about the pains of labor do nothing but bring on fear and self doubt -heck, nowadays women are opting for elective c-sections to avoid it, it seems.
It IS possible to have a not so horrible labor and birth. It doesn't happen to everyone, but it happens.

[Mom2baldie]

Originally Posted by Rach

Well, for her it probably wasn't painful. And with all the different childbirthing/laboring techiniques, some do say that it's pressure, not pain.
I see no difference in telling someone it's not painful and telling someone it's the most excruciating feeling of their life and that they'll be begging for drugs.
For many women, hearing the "truth" about the pains of labor do nothing but bring on fear and self doubt -heck, nowadays women are opting for elective c-sections to avoid it, it seems.
It IS possible to have a not so horrible labor and birth. It doesn't happen to everyone, but it happens.

Rach,

Thats what I mean... I think that saying "for most women it is painful, but it is pain with a purpose and there are many things that you can do to help ease the pain blah blah blah" is better than saying "oh my god it was the most terrible ordeal I have ever went through in my entire life" OR "its really not painful at all if you just take it one contraction at a time, its no different than stubbing your toe etc"

Neither of the 2 last statements would be very helpful because, like I said, for most women it is painful and it would be naive to think it isnt, yet the more fear you have the more painful it is likely to be and the more interventions you might accept to take the pain away.

I guess I am not really being able to make my point so I will just give up now. But, yes, I do know that it is possible to have a "not so horrible labor and delivery" - I have had 2, the last being a home waterVBAC, but it was still very painful... Probably for many women it isnt the amount of pain they experience that makes it wonderful or horrible - it's the support they recieve.

It doesnt sound like Britney Spears recieved much real support.

[Rach]

ahh, I definately see what you're saying now.
Yes, it would be far more productive to say "this will help" instead of giving a horror story, or an easy story.

I don't believe Britney received much support either. And that really is sad.

[nznats]

Thank goodness

I am glad I am not the only one that feels this way. I had a c-section after my midwife interefered at 8-9cm sending me back to 5. I must say that the labour I went through then was nothing compared to the pain I was in with my c-section. Woman like her quite frankly make me angry, I would have killed for my natural no drugs waterbirth. Instead I was cut open!! Yeah it is hard with the lack of support but doing a little bit of research, reading and talking to other woman would not have hurt her to gain the confidence and knowledge to at least try to birth vaginally, ignorance is no excuse.

[be11ydancer]

Originally Posted by NYCVeg

Crashing the forum...

Why do people think that roughly 24 hours of pain (with rests--that's the beauty of the contraction) is somehow SO MUCH WORSE than six weeks of recovery from major abdominal surgery??? It defies logic.

Six weeks? Mine took a lot longer than that. At six weeks, I was finally comfortable going grocery shopping again. All the pain and itching was finally gone after two *years*. C/s is awful.

[Luckymomma]

Originally Posted by Storm Bride

You mean, as opposed to the mainstream..the "community" that says I cheat because I've been bullied into c-sections and had one done against my will...the "community" that calls me an obsessed fruitloop because I wanted a VBA2C...the "community" that tells me how lucky I am to have been cut open three times when I didn't want to be?

Yeah - the nfl/ap movement - at least as far as I can tell from these forums - is tremendously warm, supportive and gentle. People are only human, and watching women choose primary elective sections for non-medical reasons is frustrating when you're trying to convince your friends, family and caregivers that c-sections are not the easy, convenient option...

Everyone wants to trust the 'medical professional'.

I don't think anyone is 'angry' at Brittney, she is simply a public example of what happens across the country, and her fears are the fears that society has been brainwashing women with for decades.

Who knows, maybe she'll be the voice for vbac in a few years. Better that than politics.

[crunchymomof2]

Originally Posted by Luckymomma

Everyone wants to trust the 'medical professional'.

Thats a big reason things are the way they are. People think if the "professional" knows all of this why do I need to bother with reading it. Because If you arent informed you can't be prepared to question their judgement. They arent perfect and they don't know everything. Thats why they "practice" medicine. And these fears that they have put into everyones heads even infiltrate the natural birth community. When I was looking for a hb midwife i had a much smaller list to choose from because I was a primary vbac. Something that I STILL get irritated about. How are things to get better if the very people that are supposed to offer us more choices are behaving the same way as the Dr's.

Ok enough ranting....

[BusyBeeMom]

Originally Posted by NYCVeg

Crashing the forum...

Why do people think that roughly 24 hours of pain (with rests--that's the beauty of the contraction) is somehow SO MUCH WORSE than six weeks of recovery from major abdominal surgery??? It defies logic.

My guess is they haven't experienced major abdominal surgery. I had emergency abdominal surgery about 8 months before I became pregnant with DD. After that, I was even more adament that I would not consent to a C/S unless medically necessary. I can't imagine having that recovery PLUS a newborn, trying to BF, the mood swings and exhaustion of the early days, etc.

Oh well.

[candipooh]

Hi all. I just had to tell you about a mag I picked up while in line at the grocery store. It had a bit aboout the new cleb momma. It talked about how she had developed toxcimia and low blood pressure AND baby was breech. That because of these reasons she had to give up her plans for a waterbirth at her home.

Just thought I would throw that out there. It might not be true but it MIGHT be TRUE. We don't know what happened and why it happened. How many MDC mommas had to give up their dream of a home or waterbirth because of something that happened at the end or pregnancy. Lots I am sure.

the media sucks. I can't trust them as far as I can throw them (can I throw them? can I, can I?)

I do agree that having a c-section JUST BECAUSE is wrong but we don't know if Brit had a good reason or not.

I always try to give the benifit of the dought. SO....poor thing. I bet she was scared and disapointed that her ideal birth was taken away. I am so glad that she and her babyare healthy.

[jemaco]

Originally Posted by candipooh

Hi all. I just had to tell you about a mag I picked up while in line at the grocery store. It had a bit aboout the new cleb momma. It talked about how she had developed toxcimia and low blood pressure AND baby was breech. That because of these reasons she had to give up her plans for a waterbirth at her home.

Just thought I would throw that out there. It might not be true but it MIGHT be TRUE. We don't know what happened and why it happened. How many MDC mommas had to give up their dream of a home or waterbirth because of something that happened at the end or pregnancy. Lots I am sure.

the media sucks. I can't trust them as far as I can throw them (can I throw them? can I, can I?)

I do agree that having a c-section JUST BECAUSE is wrong but we don't know if Brit had a good reason or not.

I always try to give the benifit of the dought. SO....poor thing. I bet she was scared and disapointed that her ideal birth was taken away. I am so glad that she and her babyare healthy.

But wasn't it well publicized that she had originally scheduled a c/s for Sept. 23rd b/c she didn't want to go through the pain of natural childbirth? If she developed toxemia and needed one sooner, then fine. I really don't think that she was planning a waterbirth at home, though...

Sry... just had to add that.
Where's the beating the dead horse icon when I need it? I'll leave this thread alone now.

[Rach]

Originally Posted by candipooh

It talked about how she had developed toxcimia and low blood pressure AND baby was breech.

Okay, beating a dead horse...
Or actually, just asking a stupid question...
You can have toxemia and low blood pressure? I thought toxemia was associated with high blood pressure. I had pre-eclampsia, which I thought was the same as toxemia.

[Luckymomma]

Originally Posted by Rach

Okay, beating a dead horse...
Or actually, just asking a stupid question...
You can have toxemia and low blood pressure? I thought toxemia was associated with high blood pressure. I had pre-eclampsia, which I thought was the same as toxemia.

They are. Probably just a mix-up.

[candipooh]

Oh my goodness you are right...I wonder if the magazine was making stuff up and had no idea that toxeima meant HIGH blood pressure.

I read over it twice and it did say LOW blood pressure and toxeima. hummm....

[Wugmama]

I am planning a homebirth in January, but just toured a hospital because I want to choose my backup hospital. I asked what their C section rate was and was told around 20%. It was added that it was a "bloated" number because of all the women who were choosing elective C-sections due to all the recent news about vbacs. I wasn't sure what recent news was being referred to, and didn't ask.

I am thankful I have the choice (as I should but from what I understand it is illegal in someplaces) to give birth in my home. I guess I am also glad that other women who feel more comfortable with a ceasarian birth for whatever reasons are able to do that. Freedom for everyone to choose what YOU think they should choose isn't really freedom, is it? Sort of like that saying, I don't agree with what you say but I'll fight to the death for your right to say it. Just my opinion anyways.

I'm glad that Brittany and her baby seem to have come thru the surgery ok - I hope the best for her and her baby just like I do for every mother and child.

~Tracy

[jemaco]

Originally Posted by Wugmama

I am planning a homebirth in January, but just toured a hospital because I want to choose my backup hospital. I asked what their C section rate was and was told around 20%. It was added that it was a "bloated" number because of all the women who were choosing elective C-sections due to all the recent news about vbacs. I wasn't sure what recent news was being referred to, and didn't ask.

Alright... coming back to the thread. What the heck news about VBACs could this possibly be?????

[Loveydoveydo]

It wasn't low blood PRESSURE...it was low blood SUGAR.