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post #61 of 96
didnt john travolta's wife BF? She is a scientologist.
post #62 of 96
But Scientology isn't a religion.
post #63 of 96
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Originally Posted by wannabe
But Scientology isn't a religion.
Really? I mean I've heard that it's a multi-level marketing scheme but I thought it's also a religion as well.
post #64 of 96
Thread Starter 
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But Scientology isn't a religion
Really? How so? (I'm not very "up" on the latest religions...)
post #65 of 96
It's not legally a religion in some countries - Germany and France most prominantly. It's always in litigation, but for now, Scientology is a business in those countries and not able to take advantage of benefits of being a "religion". I would say that the most common argument is that scientology is more like the amway business than a typical church.

To the atheist in me, it all seems like shades of grey. But our govenment in the US has criteria to decide who gets the benefits of being a non-profit religion and who doesnot.
post #66 of 96
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Originally Posted by Apricot
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To the atheist in me, it all seems like shades of grey. But our govenment in the US has criteria to decide who gets the benefits of being a non-profit religion and who doesnot.
ITA, but I think it's definitely more cultish than many other religions.
post #67 of 96
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Originally Posted by busybusymomma
Unfortunately, some Christians aren't very supportive of breastfeeding either... but I hope to see that change (and I'm getting ready to stick a Jesus was breastfed! window cling on my van :LOL).
Can busybusymomma or anyone else tell me where to find this window cling, or bumper sticker? Thanks.

I don't know much about Scientology, but the remarks quoted seem based on old ('40s-'50s) sexist ideas about women. Is Scientology generally sexist?
post #68 of 96
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Originally Posted by boingo82
it's definitely more cultish than many other religions.

In some college religion courses on cults, scientology is one of the topics. Yes, you could definitely classify it as a cult.
post #69 of 96
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Originally Posted by Divina
Can busybusymomma or anyone else tell me where to find this window cling, or bumper sticker? Thanks.

I don't know much about Scientology, but the remarks quoted seem based on old ('40s-'50s) sexist ideas about women. Is Scientology generally sexist?
I have two "Jesus was breastfed!" static window clings left over from the order I did last month.... $4ppd each. PM me if you want it...

Back on topic...
post #70 of 96
Ok I have to chime in here. I just posted the following in another thread and I think it applys here too. And for those who asked yes Kelly Preston is a Scientologist and she did BF.

Here is what L. Ron Hubbard said about breastfeeding and formula:

"Some prepared food issued at hospitals and by doctors has been found to upset a baby. It is a powdered mess one is supposed to dissolve in water and feed to the baby.
If you ever tasted it, you would agree with the baby. It is terrible.
More than that, it is total carbohydrate and does not contain the protein necessary to make tissue and bone. It only makes fat. When you see one of these bloated, modern babies, know that is is being fed exactly on a dite of mixed milk powder, glucose and water, total carbohydrate.
The largest cause of upset in a babie's early life is just rations. The baby might be fed, yes. But with what? Terriable tasting, high-carbohydrate powdered milk solutions, or skim breast milk from an overworked mother. A ration must contain a heavy perentage of protein. Protien is the building block for nerves and bones."

He goes on to tell about a formula made of barley water (used for it's high protien content) hemogenized milk and corn syrup. He tells about how his son was ill as an infant and why he came up with this formula.

Keep in mind that this was written in the 50's when your own MD or Ped would tell you to use formula over breastfeeding.

I am a Scientologist and I breastfeed and I know dozens of other Scientologists that Breastfeed because it's best for baby. I don't think what L. Ron Hubbard wrote about formula over 50 years ago had anything to do with Leah R's decision to BF. I assume it's the same crap all mothers face in america with misinformation, lack of support, pressure to get back to work, etc.
post #71 of 96
Thanks for responding Aa. I guess we all know what he had to say about artificial baby milk was inaccurate, even for his day? (40s-50s?)

Of course ABM is/was not all carbohydrate. And his ABM was probably no better than the commercial stuff. Is barley that high in protein? Of course ABM has/had protein. Cow's milk is loaded with protein.

And should we feed our babies honey and expose them to botulism spores just b/c L Ron said he had a past life exp in Rome and that is what the Romans used?

I think what I hear you saying is: L Ron's erroneus advice about ABM is now disregarded by many Scientologists, Lea Remini's comment notwithstanding, and for that I am glad.
post #72 of 96
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Originally Posted by loon13
But then my mom also said she was too nervous to breastfeed and that she was told it would make the milk bad. Where the hell did that tidbit come from?
It comes from cackling, clucking old hens - and L. Ron Hubbard, I guess.

It's pure bunk. I have a moderately severe anxiety disorder, but I made plenty of milk and bfd four children with no problem.

That term, "modern mother", bugs me. It makes me think of the 1920s - when the term was derogatory & "modern" women were considered loose and shocking.

I'm a MOTHER, period.
post #73 of 96
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Originally Posted by Divina
Can busybusymomma or anyone else tell me where to find this window cling, or bumper sticker? Thanks.
You can get a beautiful "Jesus was Breastfed" t-shirt from our own kerikadi at Granola Threads. I have one, and I it!!!
post #74 of 96
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Originally Posted by Storm Bride
L. Ron Hubbard was a good science fiction writer, but he seems to have had some sort of psychotic episode nobody noticed, which caused him to found Scientology.
L. Ron Hubbard started the religion for the money, simple as that. In the 1940s, he said,

"Writing for a penny a word is ridiculous. If a man really wants to make a million dollars, the best way would be to start his own religion."
post #75 of 96
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Originally Posted by dukeswalker
I just heard that Scientologists are not supposed to breastfeed - that feeding them a "formula" of barley water, milk and Karo syrup is better???

Man - I hope that isn't true.....
Uh huh, it is.
I used to babysit for a scientology family... and that is what they fed the baby. Put the barley in a cheesecloth, put it in the crock pot for eight hours, then mixed the water with mollases, honey (even with a newborn, yes) and whole milk.
Nice...
post #76 of 96
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Originally Posted by velcromom
In some college religion courses on cults, scientology is one of the topics. Yes, you could definitely classify it as a cult.
Hee hee you should try living here!!
Clearwater is their "world headquarters"... try driving through downtown clearwater on a weekday... they are all out in their matching clothes with the scarves around their necks and the blank expressions...
it is totally a cult.
post #77 of 96
Thread Starter 
Aa- Thanks so much for chiming in - I really appreciate your input - Can I ask, as a whole, do most Scientologists still follow the advice regarding his barley water formula stuff?
post #78 of 96
Does Breastfeeding and Catholic Motherhood: God's Plan for You and Your Baby give any weaning advice?

IMO, MEN shouldn't have any right to say that bf-ing is not right for babies. It's women who were made for this and ultimately a mom's decision.

Barley milk with Karo or honey? You've gotta be kidding me! :LOL
post #79 of 96
I don't think we should bash L. Ron Hubbard about it at this point. He was offering this barley formula as an alternative to BM just as most peds did in this era. Something like 3% of american women BF in the late 50's so what L. Ron Hubbard said at that time was not that out there. I personally think that any mama today who just blindly accepts ANY formula as being equal to or better than breastmilk without doing her research first is foolish and is doing herself and her baby a great disservice. That being said I recenlty read about what commercial formulas are made of and if I were going to feed a baby formula I would deefinately seek an alternative folrmula.

Being a Scientlolgist I was so shocked to see the title of this thread. I know so many Scientologist mamas who BF thier babies. To answer another mamas question yes I know of some Scientologists that have used this barley formula (not with honey) but I think the problem is that artifical baby formula is an accepetd way to feed babies in America and those moms who choose the barley formula are the ones that would chose formula anyhow.
post #80 of 96
Thread Starter 
Aa- I'm not electing you the Scientologist Spokesperson - but right now - you're all we've got! So....As a whole - is breastfeeding frowned upon by Scientologists? Is breastfeeding viewed as best?
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