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post #1 of 17
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While looking up scientology info for that other thread, I found the article linked below. I disagree with a lot of what the author says/things, but found the notion of "titty privilege" to be interesting.

Does one really have to be a "middle class housewife" in order to breastfeed? Are pro-BFing arguments classist? I want to believe that most women *can* breastfeed and that obstacles to breastfeeding can be overcome. I never said it wouldn't be work. Should we expect mothers to overcome obstacles on their own, or is this blithely optimistic...or worse, does it really contribute to the "mommy wars"?


Ooops...forgot to link. Here you go:
http://www.sensilla.com/mt/archives/...privilege.html
post #2 of 17
Hmmm. I don't really like his tone, but he's right about some things.

There should be paid maternity leave that's longer than the measley 12 weeks of unpaid leave that we get in the US.

I don't know about the LC's though. We seem to have plenty here, but I don't know about the rest of the country.
post #3 of 17
I think this author makes some valid points:

Quote:
I'll be impressed when this group takes a bus down to DC and storms the floor of the Senate, tits a-blazing, demanding equal access to healthcare and resources, along with paid maternity leave and societal support for both men and women to parent their children as they see fit
Otherwise, her tone is just "annoying" rather than really being detrimental to the Lactivist cause.
post #4 of 17
She makes a good point that working in low-paid service jobs makes it hard to breastfeed or even pump, but shouldn't that be more of a rail against poverty and the lack of family-friendly government policies, than at lactivists? I mean why is it lactivists' fault that the US is like the only western nation that doesn't automatically give all mothers a year or more of paid maternity leave?

Never mind the fact that I have known PLENTY of SAHMs who did not breastfeed, simply because they believed the hype that formula is just as good and will be more convenient. I think there is a lot of work left for lactivists to do both in promoting breastfeeding itself, and working to improve the situations babies are born into so as to make breastfeeding more possible.
post #5 of 17
On the notion of bfing as a middle class thing . . .

I recently contacted a milk bank to donate milk and was checking out their webite.

Did you know that breastmilk goes for $3.00 an ounce??

If I got paid by the gallon, maybe I could be rich enough to hang out with some of those celeb scientologists!

I guess my middle class titties make some high class milk!
post #6 of 17
Well, I haven't read the whole thing, but one quick comment...
I'm a single momma to two and I work FT outside of the home. I had to return to work at 8wks pp.
We're still nursing at 32 months.
post #7 of 17
I posted a comment to the article - Basically I said that protesting outside of the View is not all that lactivists do but it's all we're known for. There is no publicity for all of the volunteer bf counseling hours, letters to corporations and legislators, etc. That probably all lactivists think maternity leave should be paid and that bf rates for low income mothers is a highly focused goal of lactivism.
post #8 of 17
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Seems our society doesn’t want to bear the community responsibility for raising healthy children.
This is so true. And, yes, breastfeeding is a luxury at this point in time. Yes, I, too, went to college full-time and had a full time job and a part time job. You know how I made breastfeeding work for us? My mom, sisters, and two aunts all took time out of their day to drive my baby to wherever I was so I could nurse her. If they hadn't beenthere for me, my breastfeeding relationship would not have survived.

My second baby, I was in college full-time, but not working. In between classes I would drive to her daycare and nurse her because I had no time to pump. And, yes, I pumped but it soon made no sense as my milk supply was dropping. My baby was in full-time daycare at 2 weeks old.

My last baby, I am unemployed and do not have access to daycare, yet. This one has been the lucky one in a way. Both her parents being unemployed and with no money for gasoline, Hey! We got to be full-time stay-at-home parents for awhile. DH now has a job, but not enough pay that I can stay home, but at the same time how do we pay $20,900 for full-time daycare? And the rent and the bills and buy food and pay for gas to get to and from our respective workplaces? There has not been enough food for a healthy breastfeeding relationship with this last baby. I already feel my body suffering. My teeth hurt, I have lost over 40 lbs, my body aches.

What good does breastfeeding do when the mother cannot afford to eat healthy enough?

I agree, there is a larger problem than just lactivating. That is not to say it is not important, it is VERY important. But, we should also be fighting for paid maternity and paternity leave. This country makes too much money not to pay it's parents to help create well-adjusted, healthy offspring (I know, offspring sounds horrible) for tomorrow's workplace.
post #9 of 17
I posted a comment on the site. I agree that the ability to bf is not about class or wealth. It is about your commitment to stick with it and do what is bestfor your child even when you can't sah.
post #10 of 17
She brought up a lot of good points. I think that a lot of times we get stuck on the details and lose sight of the big picture.

Raynbow




Oh, and I liked her tone... made for a great read.
post #11 of 17
Artical sounds like sour grapes to me.

a rant with no evidence or reseach.

another GULITY woman who has made poor choices, and is not out to vilify thoese of us who made the choice she blew off and now secretly regrets.

in group vs out group -- we have to be bad so she can be good.

we have to be wrong and evil to boost her self esteem.

just like all the woman who are 40 and childless who now complain about how horrid kids are, or the woman who choose an elective C so they don't miss the board meeting next week and complain that natural birth are "hippy and crunchy". We have to be wrong, cuz they didn't make the samae choice, if we are right, then they have to face making a wrong decision.

Yes she says things that are correct -- about needing equal access to health care, the lach of consultants in rural area, and mandatroy paid baby-leave....................BUT 1. the need for thoese things does not mean that "oh well we can't advocate BF untill every single detail is in place..." it is a packaage deal, it all has to be sought at once. this is the old "everything has to be perfect before i can try..." argument. if we wait for every detail of life to be perfect before trying to BF no one would. 2. these needs asre not the sole responiblity of thoese advocating BF. AIDS is a world wide issue too, but you can't complain at someone who is working towards nurseing rooms in an office building "well what about AIDS". We do not have the reposiblity to fix every issue for everyone before we can suggest to them they BF................she is just flinging mud and ingoreing the facts, yes there are problmes but Breast is best..............and if you care you can make it work, lots of moms do work full time, or more than full time, and do BF as long as they want -- it takes effort and planning and scrfaice, but then aain that is what having a a baby is.

I think woman like her are repsonible for the mommy wars cuz they need to tear others down to feel good about themselves.

Aimee
post #12 of 17
I do think she made some valid points. Low paying jobs are less likely to provide the time and space for one to pump while at work, especially jobs like waitresses, store clerks, and hotel maids. Their work depends on how busy the establishment is. If it is busy, they don't get breaks. Choosing between their job and breastfeeding is probably an easy decision. What good is breastfeeding if her baby has no house to live in?

But having said that, I don't like her tone and I'm not sure that lactivists need to change their issues to maternity leave etc.

I give major props to women who are able to work and bf, I am not sure I would be able to do it.
post #13 of 17
My ex-husband went without food for three days so that I could have what little was in the house - so that I could breastfeeed.

I breastfed ds1 while working full-time.

I breastfed ds1 when my ex and I had $150.00/month to live on after the rent was paid. We had no cable, we had a skyrocketing phone bill (it wasn't disconnected, because I paid $10.00/month on it) - we hardly turned lights or used hot water, because we couldn't afford the power...

I also had cracked, bleeding, incredibly painful nipples. I might have even caved in and bought formula, because it was going so badly. But, I was too poor not to breastfeed.

I guess support is necessary (on two occasions, LC's have almost driven me not to breastfeed), but I find the idea that promoting free breastmilk is somehow anti-poor people to be...bizarre.
post #14 of 17
Oh dear I think my thoughts seem to have taken on a bit of a "tone". I don't so much disagree with her concept that advocacy needs to be done at policy-making levels, of course it does, but mostly I disagree with her taking the view that lactavists are drama queens who focus on trivial issues - and with her bitching about people who don't advocate in a way she approves of, as if they have some kind of obligation to be the kind of lactavist she thinks is right. Besides, if you aren't going to do something about an issue, don't you see the irony in complaining that someone else isn't doing it either??

My thoughts after reading her entry -

I agree that there needs to be more than pats-on-the-back encouragement, there needs to be realistic support to enable women to breastfeed successfully when it is impossible for them to stay home with their baby. Just because not all lactavists work in this area, don't assume there aren't any who are. I don't see how it helps to call advocates "myopic and self-righteous" just because you don't like the area they have chosen to advocate in on the day the tv cameras are pointed at them.

You understand well the need for lactavists to see the big picture, and your point about needing more action in the areas of access to health care, lactation friendly workplaces and family leave is absolutely valid. But you also need to see that activism is being done in places that don't have a site online or that show up on tv. There are many areas of breastfeeding activism and not all women are able to be involved in all of them. Yes, we have a long way to go in the areas of healthcare, childcare, maternity leave, etc. and instead of assuming lactavists are a bunch of myopic self-righteous drama queens, how about you try the "big picture" thing for a minute yourself and try realizing that the lactavists offering info online or appearing on tv for a few well-edited seconds are very likely also those moms who are writing letters to legislators, doctors, employers, schools, childcare organizations, wherever policy can be improved to support breastfeeding moms and children, from the smallest grassroots efforts all the way up to the highest political office.There ARE people working to improve the situations you are talking about. We need MORE people putting their energy into it, instead of putting their energy into criticizing the efforts they don't approve of.

You see issues that need attention, and you go sit down and write scathing paragraphs about the people who aren't doing anything about them - oh, wait, are you one of those people? Uh-oh, better check - when was the last time you wrote your legislators about breastfeeding rights in the workplace, or about encouraging hospitals to adopt the Baby-Friendly Initiative, or supported any of the breastfeeding causes you see as so important?

I for one hope you actually have done those things, if you truly feel so passionate about the need for a breastfeeding support system that addresses the needs of all income levels. If you wish to see progress made on what you see as "real issues" you would better spend your time doing more advocacy work and less bitching about other advocates whose work you don't personally approve of.




Well I hope that's not too snarky, probably won't get approved to appear in the comments section but at least I didn't use the harsher forms of profanity as offered in the article.... :LOL

I don't think her writing will have so much of an impact but still wanted to point out that there is room for all kinds of advocacy and instead of doing a bunch of pathetic sixth grade style catfighting and namecalling we should get out there and do what we can where we can, wherever our passion calls us, without worrying about being "worthy" in the eyes of other lactivists or the general public. It's not a contest. It's too important to waste our energy bashing each other.

Just like I say about NIP, we don't have any obligation to make other people comfortable with our choices, no matter how much they squawk and chatter at us for not doing what they feel is right. Help where you feel comfortable helping, give assistance where you see a need you can fill.
post #15 of 17
Bravo!!
post #16 of 17
I'm so tired of bloggers who think they are journalists.
post #17 of 17
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Originally Posted by gottaknit
I'm so tired of bloggers who think they are journalists.
:LOL Now there's a something to think about!
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