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post #41 of 57
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Originally Posted by nannymom
lab-I think the difference is that a dairy or corn allergy causes a problem only when the allergic person consumes those items. Some nut allergies can be so severe that just touching or inhaling the particals can be deadly.
That's not true! Many allergens can cause airborn reactions. My daughter broke out in hives, because she was in the kitchen while my mother in law was boiling corn on the cob. The "big 8" allergens, which account for 90% of all food allergic reactions are Dairy, Soy, Wheat, Eggs, Peanuts, Tree Nuts, Fish and Shellfish. What happens when a class has one child who is allergic to dairy and another who is allergic to soy (or like my DD, a child who is allergic to both)? What about a severe wheat allergy? Where do you draw the line?

I'm not arguing against peanut-free classes or schools, these are just questions that I've been asking myself, because we DO have to deal with multiple food allergies.
post #42 of 57
This is such a tricky issue--trickiest for allergic families and low-income families. I have no wisdom to offer, but just want to chime in: DS's preschool is nut-free. The school provides AM/PM snack to minimize issues, but kids bring their own nut-free lunches. They're also not allowed to eat nutty foods (like PB toast) on the way to school. I have no problem with complying, and we're L-O vegetarian. Luckily DS adores egg-salad sandwiches. I haven't heard any complaints from the other parents either.
post #43 of 57
I am sorry your school and community are not being supportive.

The daycare/pre-school my children attended was a 100% nut-free center. No nuts of any kind were allowed. I did not think it was a big deal and it was easy to comply with.

The public school my ds is now attending allows nuts. Should they change the policy I will stop sending pb & j to school. The funny thing is, I always make sure any treats I send into the classroom are nut free. A holdover from his days at daycare.

Truthfully, I never understood why some parents get all bent out of shape about it. Yes, it is an inexpensive and convenient meal but the reality is, the nut allergy is very serious. Personally, I would not want to be responsible for the allergic reaction of another child and I have long been of the opinion that the ones who make a stink about it are incredibly selfish and unable to see the seriousness of the allergy.
post #44 of 57
Just want to add -- I agree with the PP who said it's high time we look at WHY food allergies are so common these days. I think it has a lot to do with the dismal breastfeeding rate in our country and our toxic environment. Certainly some allergies are unavoidable. But I can't help thinking it's something we're doing (or not doing) as a society that's making the situation so much worse than it used to be.
post #45 of 57
Airborne allergies to things like dairy and corn are not impossible, but they're not the norm.

I deal with multiple food allergies with my 8 year old son and my not quite 3 year old daughter.

Allergen bans aren't about making the school absolutely 100% safe for a food allergic student... it's about reducing the risk of reaction for food allergic students. There are much better odds of a food allergic child having a safe day at school when only a few kids bring foods that may contain peanuts than on a day where 1/2 of the students are eating peanut products.

Any parent of a food allergic child that thinks that a ban completely removes the risk is due for a serious reality check.

Our school doesn't have a ban on any allergen, but the 2 most food allergic students are protected by teaching their classmates to wash their hands after eating lunch, and there is a ban of things like birthday cupcakes in the classroom. This has worked well over the past 2 years, and is working this year too.
post #46 of 57
Personally, I would raise h*ck with the school about this, and if the principal won't do anything, I would take it to the superintendent and the school board. I would hire an attorney to do this, because an attorney will be smart enough to see the potential liability to the school.

My dd goes to a school that has no peanuts in her class, but peanuts are allowed at the school as a whole. I think they should make the whole place nut free, because it is a minor inconvenience to me and a major threat to the child.
post #47 of 57
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Originally Posted by Jessica36
Ok adding on. Zach is anaphylaxis to Egg and Peanut. He is also working towards hyper sensative to other items. He is also allergic to, ready for this, Soy, Wheat, Dairy, Peas, String Beans, Rye, Barley, Oats, Corn (straight, not by-products, yet).

Because it wasn't fair to him to watch ALL the other kids do it and eat it and him not to participate, but rather then making them stop, I went the extra mile......Why should I have to and you shouldn't? KWIM?

Not to be rude, but you have to go the extra mile because it's *your* child with the allergy. Just like I've had to deal with my child's asthma and another one who had a heart murmur.

I can totally understand the nut ban and it wouldn't bother me all that much, even though ds eats peanut butter almost every day. We'd find something else. The problem is that then what if, as another mom mentioned on this thread, there is a child with a severe dairy allergy? Now no peanuts and no dairy. And what about the severely soy allergic kids? Eggs? What does that leave for the kids to eat? Again, peanut butter is easy enough to ban, but what about the rest of this laundry list of potential allergens?
post #48 of 57
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Originally Posted by UlrikeDG
That's not true! Many allergens can cause airborn reactions. My daughter broke out in hives, because she was in the kitchen while my mother in law was boiling corn on the cob. The "big 8" allergens, which account for 90% of all food allergic reactions are Dairy, Soy, Wheat, Eggs, Peanuts, Tree Nuts, Fish and Shellfish. What happens when a class has one child who is allergic to dairy and another who is allergic to soy (or like my DD, a child who is allergic to both)? What about a severe wheat allergy? Where do you draw the line?

I'm not arguing against peanut-free classes or schools, these are just questions that I've been asking myself, because we DO have to deal with multiple food allergies.
I could have just quoted you:LOL This is what I'm wondering. Again, so that I don't get flamed:LOL I don't have a problem with peanut free schools. I've just seen anyone who expresses displeasure at a peanut ban get the heck flamed out of them, but I'm wondering how many people would feel fine about complying with a dairy/egg/soy/corn/wheat ban as well. Basically meaning that you are limited to home cooked meat, fruit, and some vegetables. I'm willing to bet not too many.
post #49 of 57
absolutely. if it comes down to a matter of convenience and preference vs. a matter of life, well, it's pretty clear where i will be standing.
post #50 of 57
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Originally Posted by inezyv
My dd goes to a school that has no peanuts in her class, but peanuts are allowed at the school as a whole. I think they should make the whole place nut free, because it is a minor inconvenience to me and a major threat to the child.
What about the situation lab is in, where all foods with traces of peanuts are banned and it is much more than a minor inconvenience?
post #51 of 57
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Originally Posted by srain
What about the situation lab is in, where all foods with traces of peanuts are banned and it is much more than a minor inconvenience?

Thank srain. I have posted this several times on this thread and others and have not gotten a response. It's not that I don't support a nut ban, I do, it's just that I would like those with allergies to at least acknowledge that some things don't and won't work.

Also, what about those with multiple allergies.

It seems like if this is truly the wave of the future, then those points must be discussed in a rational way. There must be a solution that will work for everyone.

I would like to say, though, that this thread is amazing. I truly appreciate the open, flame free dialogue this thread is enjoying! Very impressive!
post #52 of 57

Question

I am wondering something about peanut allergies and bans.

I had a friend in college that was allergic to all legumes. Beans of all kinds, peanuts, peas, lentils.

Are all peanut allergies actually a legume allergy or are there people that are just allergic to peanuts, but not other legumes?

Because our daycare has a peanut ban but I send lentils and rice for lunch several times a week and nobody has said anything.
post #53 of 57
Many people are allergic to peanuts but not to other legumes.
post #54 of 57
Might be a stupid question but don't all public schools have free or reduced lunch programs?

I'd imagine if the families can only afford pb and j for lunches, they'd qualify for free or reduced lunch. Reduced lunch here is .40 cents compared to the $1.55 full price.

Our school isn't peanut free but they do have a fairly strict "No Sharing Food" policy. That helps some of the food allergic kids a bit. At least it's helped my kiddo.

I think parents that ignore a peanut ban would open themselves up for legal troubles. I'd imagine that it could be construed as endangerment, at least..
post #55 of 57
My kids have gone to both peanut banned and peanut allowed preschools/schools over the years. (I am severely allergic to crab - but no other seafood thankfully! same as my dad, and assume my kids are until we either get them tested or they try it when they are much older and near a hospital... Luckily, crab is so uncommon that it is not hard to avoid so poses almost no risk unless we are a hoighty toighty wedding reception or something like that.)

At the schools where it was banned, you could never assume that all would comply! There is really no security in a peanut ban IMO. What about the child who had pb toast for breakfast and washed his hands even, but not before wiping them on his shirt? We are talking about kids. I once brought orzo salad to a toddler group potluck lunch at school (with kids) - full of pine nuts. I knew about the peanut ban but didn't think about pine nuts being a problem - and am not sure if they are or not, but by the time someone pointed it out, it was on a dozen plates all through the room. Our class didn't have an allergic child; it was just the policy of the school as there was a child in a different day's class that had an allergy. But my point is that even those who are trying to comply can make mistakes/forget/not fully understand.

The way the non-ban schools did it was to be sure all the parents and kids understood who had allergies, what to avoid, and what to do if there was a problem. One preschool mom of allergic to everything under the sun child (poor sweet boy - he honestly was allergic to almost everything) was incredibly good about explaining it all to us, sending him with his own snack and plate to eat it on, and teaching her child not to eat anything that she didn't give him. He was three at the time - and amazingly good about it. She never once asked us to change what we fed our kids at school or at home (I CANNOT imagine schools trying to ban what we feed our kids OUTSIDE of school), but just educated us and her child. She had such a wonderful attitude about it that we all did try our very best to watch like hawks. Nine months of preschool and never had to use the epipen or call 911. No one in the class had any issues with his allergy as it was handled so well. We all were great friends - moms and kids - and continue to be in contact to this day, nine years later.

Another preschool (dd2) had a poster on the wall with pix of the allergic kids, their names, which class they were in, and what they were allergic to. Teachers, parent helpers, etc. could just glance up and see. No issues all year there either.

I do think that although it would be ideal for everyone to "go the extra mile", it is not realistic to expect it. When my dd1 was five, I didn't think it was safe for her to stand on the corner of a busy street, alone, waiting for the bus. I didn't trust that she could keep herself safe, stay off the road, fight off someone who might try to take her, etc. I had the choice to either stand there with her (my responbility as her parent) or just drive her myself. It was inconvenient but I drove her. I don't think I could ask people not to drive on that road during the times she'd be there, or for others to take turns waiting with my child - she is my child; it is my issue to deal with. Others being helpful is wonderful, but it falls on me to go the extra mile for my child.

I think coming at it from an education standpoint instead of a ban standpoint would end with more compliance and a safer environment for those with allergies. I think what happened with the PB on the swing set in your yard is AWFUL; I am so sorry!

I also am curious as to why so many kids have life-threatening allergies these days. I don't remember ANYONE with these severe, breathe it and die type issues all through elementary, jr high, high school, college. I don't remember ever reading about anything like it either, or on the news. Now it seems so common - why? When it is just a reaction to INGESTING dairy, wheat, PB, etc. it seems easy enough to teach the child not to eat what has not been previously approved by his/her parent. It seems the touch/breathe component is what is causing all the issues. What has happened over the last 20 or 30 years to cause all this?
post #56 of 57
What a good thread, I'm impressed too.

My ds has mulitple severe allergies. We will most likely homeschool him starting K.

A few people asked about why kids are becomming so allergic to peanuts? Somethings I've heard are, parents are giving it to kids WAY younger than in the 60',70's, babies even. Also, manufactures have added more peanuts to our FOOD supply, making it more prevalent. Peanuts have hundreds of proteins, which is why it's such highly allergic food. Also, the weakening of our kids immunities from pollution, toxic food supply, mass (and more) vaccinations.

Also, parents of kids who are NOT allergic should still heed the warning; people can develop an allergy to anything, food, medications, insects at ANY time! Just last month I witnessed our neighbors 8 year old dd have an anaphalactic reaction to a bee sting. She had been stung before. Now she has a life threatening allergy to it.
Just throwing this out there. Knowledge is power right??
post #57 of 57
At the ripe age of 42 I just developed an amoxicillin allergy last week. It's never too late!!
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