Ultrasound today, they are talking induction UPDATE: NOW THEY WANT TO DO A C-SECTION - Page 3

[MrsMoe]

Originally Posted by annakiss

I see absolutely no reason to have a c/s. My mom, a CNM, says have your baby at home. Your midwife & doc are avoiding liability and it's assinine. She feels that you will be sabotaged if you try to deliver vaginally with these people. Try to transfer if you can to anyone else that will allow you to labor. Otherwise, stay at home as long as possible. Go to the hospital at the last possible moment. Like when the baby's crowning.

Totally right.

A c-section is silly, there is no real positive 100% way to be sure of anything until you go to deliver. Period.

I cannot count how many tiems I have heard this line of BS on that Birth Stories show - only to see too big to birth C-Section babies delivered at 7 pounds. Ya, some big baby.

http://www.scienceblog.com/community.../20022197.html

As far as baby not dropping, in some cases, babies don't drop until right before a mother goes into labor.

The study, featured in the September 2002 issue of the Journal of Reproductive Medicine, examined 244 nonhypertensive, nondiabetic Caucasian women who delivered full-term, singleton babies at Duke University Medical Center between August 1998 and August 2000. Women were excluded if they delivered prematurely, smoked cigarettes during pregnancy or had medical complications

Characteristics used to estimate fetal birth weight included thegestational age at delivery, maternal height, maternal weight, third-trimester weight gain rate, number of priorchildren and fetal sex. Using these six variables, the researchers could predict birth weight within an average of plus or minus 8.1 percent of actual birth weight. Ultrasound accuracy rates are typically not as good, while abdominal palpitation rates can differ as much as plus or minus 10.3 percent from the actual birth weight, said the researchers.

Another link regarding accuracy of ultrasounds determining weight of baby:


http://forums.obgyn.net/pregnancy-bi...0204/2617.html

Usually give or take 10-15% but wider variability the later in pregnancy you do this.

Dr. Harvey S. Marchbein, M.D

[Smithie]

This must be so tough on you, Mama!

I truly believe that in this circumstance I would refuse induction for awhile longer and go at the very last minute to the hospital (maybe even a different hospital than my practitioner used, and feed them some line about "we were out doing X, and this just happened soooo fast!") By the time they got your records, your baby would be in your arms. I think that's what I would do, but I'd be scared as hell while I was doing it. You'll be in my thoughts and prayers.

[Mrs Dimples]

I am SO sorry you are being put through this! Is your baby showing *any* signs of distress? I just cannot believe that a midwife is actually recommending a section for s supposedly "big" baby that is perfectly healthy. You are NOT overdue yet! First time babies are usually "late" if they are given the chance to be, and lots of babies don't engage until labor! What the hell is the problem? If you can't get this current practice on the ball (which it sounds like will be impossible - you don't need anyone to "let you try" to labor - you need someone who believes in you and is confident in your abilities as a birthing woman) then you need to find someone else, which I sincerely hope is possible where you are. I know not everyone has access to lots of different practicioners in their area. I hope you are able to find someone who is trustworthy and will give you and your baby a shot at a normal birth, which I truly believe you can have with no problem.

Please keep us posted, I am just so angry for you. No one should have to go through this. First do no harm my ASS. :

[turtlewomyn]

Update

We have refused to schedule a c-section without talking to a doctor first. DH had to schedule the meeting (I was too upset) and it is amazing how difficult it was, they apparently expect me to schedule major abdominal surgery with only a phone consultation. We are coming up with a list of questions to ask him. Including where can we go for a second opinion. I am frustrated because I feel trapped by my HMO, I wouldn't even know where to begin to find another place, and I doubt they cover homebirth midwives. Also, DH was very against a homebirth, although after this wonderful interaction with the medical community he might feel different.

My doula is talking to a homebirth midwife that she knows to see what she thinks of the situation.

My friend who is a PA also thinks this is absurd, so it feels good to hear her opinion.

I find it bizarre that my baby would even turn breech now (as a poster suggested could be their concern), she has been head down for the past 10 weeks for pete's sake.

We spent the afternoon at the mall and went to a movie and now I am going to work on my hypnobirthing relaxation techniques, drink pregnancy tea, and hope that this baby goes into labor on her own. I will try some of the other suggestions as well.

[annakiss]

I very much doubt that at this point breech is the concern. The concern is big baby = shoulder dystocia, which shouldn't be a problem if you're not pushing on your back. Like everyone said, end-of-pregnancy u/s are notoriously inaccurate. Your lots of fluid shouldn't be a major issue. You're going to have this baby within the next 2 weeks certainly, so unless the baby starts becoming distressed, I'd just wait it out. Don't go for either the induction or the c/s. Go for a natural birth, listen to your body, move around and do what feels right during your labor.

You can do this. Don't let them practice their fears on you. If you go much longer, get a non-stress test, count kicks when you go to bed - it should help ease your mind that your baby is well. Have you looked at spinningbabies? Try to sit in positions that aid in a baby ripe for labor as opposed to those that lead to posterior babes. Anything to aid a shorter, c/s free birth is good.

[Guest*]

How horrible that they're trying to throw all this on you now when you're so emotionally and physically exhausted anyway.

Unless there are real signs that your baby is in distress, DO NOT induce and for God's sake, DO NOT schedule a c-section.

As difficult and frustrating as it may be, finding a different provider RIGHT NOW may be a good thing. It sounds like the practice you are with has you pegged for a c/s and will try everything they can to get you to agree.

Read some positive stories. There are LOTS here on mothering.

If you can, find a homebirth midwife ASAP and have a homebirth. You said your DH doesn't want that...but at this point what is more important? A healthy birth and avoiding abdominal surgery or your DH's feelings?

Please keep us updated. It sounds like you do know what you want and are confident. Don't let the practice bully you into something you don't want, especially if there's no reason.

[candipooh]

s


From my understanding most full term babies have a head that is between 13 and 15 inches. It doesn't matter what the baby weights really. You could have a 6 pound baby with a 14 3/4 head or a 10 pound baby with a 14 inch one. So really looking at the weight of a baby says nothing about how easily it will come out.

You can NOT let me say it again ....you can NOT tell a woman by looking at her how big of a baby is "too big" for her. some tiny ladies birth 10 pounds with a little bit of pushing. SOme larger ladies have to work hard to get out a 7 pounder. You just can't tell. And well it looks like the dr and midwife are telling you. You do not know how much a pelvis will open up or how much the skin will stretch. Putting a weight limit on a baby based on sometihng that is KNOWN to be off it just silly. It makes me want to

I think you should talk to homebirth midwives. Because you are due anyday you might not have to pay full price. She also might work something out with you (payment plans, barter etc) Forget the HMO I am sure they won't pay for a homebirth but you paying $1,000 -$2,000 for a healthy birth is worth everything. People take out loans for things like trips, TVs, cars, etc. Having a healthy baby and a safe birth is far more important than a vacation or a big screan TV.

I really believe that if you do go into labor that this dr. and midwife will not treat you the way you deserve. Medical people HATE it when you say "NO" to their advice. I don't wnat them to take it out on you and your birth.

once again s

[alegna]

Originally Posted by turtlewomyn

We have refused to schedule a c-section without talking to a doctor first. DH had to schedule the meeting (I was too upset) and it is amazing how difficult it was, they apparently expect me to schedule major abdominal surgery with only a phone consultation. We are coming up with a list of questions to ask him. Including where can we go for a second opinion. I am frustrated because I feel trapped by my HMO, I wouldn't even know where to begin to find another place, and I doubt they cover homebirth midwives. Also, DH was very against a homebirth, although after this wonderful interaction with the medical community he might feel different.

My doula is talking to a homebirth midwife that she knows to see what she thinks of the situation.

Okay- do NOT let them bully you into anything. You can always refuse ANYTHING no matter what they try to tell you otherwise. You're in FL- they have pretty good laws so far as requiring insurance to cover midwives- post on the finding your tribes forum and see if anyone knows a homebirth midwife near you who would speak with you who might take your insurance.

They can NOT make you have a section OR an induction. You can say no. They are not making any sense. It is absurd to schedule a section for a baby that's "too big"

Hang in there.

-Angela

[chrissy]

mama!!

i would NOT have a c-section. i am sorry that they are putting all this on you at the last minute. this is why the stinkin medical establishment has no place in normal birth- because they have no clue that birth is normal.

i fell for this kind of junk science when i was due with my 1st. the u/s (at 40 weeks) suggested that he would be "too big." that u/s ended up being wrong- almost 2 whole pounds wrong. turned out he was much BIGGER than they thought and he was born vaginally. the sOBs said things to the tune of "if we had known he was going to be THAT big, we'd never have let you deliver him vaginally." : and "don't worry, next time we won't let you go that long[meaning til 40 weeks].

to make an already long story shorter, the induction totally sucked because he was NOT ready to be born. my labor was hellish and he had a small bit of trouble early on.

don't let their "birth is scary and dangerous" attitude bring you down mama. it is just not true. your body is growing the perfect sized baby for you. you can do it mama! i am so sorry you are having to deal with all this right now.

[MrsMoe]

Originally Posted by annakiss

The concern is big baby = shoulder dystocia, which shouldn't be a problem if you're not pushing on your back.

Most hospitals - this is how they make you push. - flat on your back.

[aguacates]

First of all, s mama.

Second of all, just a little btdt story. I am 5'2". My dd (first born) was 9lbs14oz. She did not drop until I was in labor. The day before I had her, people were telling me I had wks to go, because she hadn't dropped yet. I had an easy six hour labor, pushed for an hour, and she came out with a 14.5 inch head and her arm above her head. I pushed her out fine. I was convinced I was having a 7 lb baby. Dh and I were both 7 lbs. Your body will do fine. Try to ignore scare tactics, and listen to your inner voice. I am sorry that you have to go through this right now.

[TurboClaudia]

sending you lots of hugs, mama... wish you weren't having to deal with this as you are preparing to meet your babe face to face for the first time...

i, too, would consider a homebirth since it is unlikely you will feel completely safe enough if you go to a hospital. ask your doula for referrals, and at least meet with one or two homebirth midwives to see if you click with them.

if you do choose to continue your care with this group of care providers, be sure to request a nurse at the hospital that is supportive of natural childbirth and laboring without medication. it sounds like you have a wonderful doula who may help you labor as long as possible at home before heading into the hospital.

wishing you a peaceful end of pregnancy and a safe and beautiful birth...

warmly,
claudia

[nadine]

i am 5'2. i was 95lbs normally, 122lbs at delivery. i delivered a 10lb 6oz baby, with a 14.5 inch head, and a 16inch chest at home with midwives. he did have shoulder dystocia, but was fine. he came out over a completely intact perineum. i get so angry when i hear they want to schedule c-sections due to size of baby. you can do this!

[turtlewomyn]

So frustrated

It is midnight, and I can't sleep. I was hoping she might decide to come out on her own, and I had a couple of contractions, but nothing yet.

Family is being irritating. DH's grandmother called yelling at him telling him that we need to go get a c-section right away (gee, if it was such an emergency, why did they send us home overnight after the U/S to be called in the morning, and in the morning I actually had to call the midwife to find out what was going on) and that he needed to watch the baby move all night long to make sure she was ok. She has shown no signs of distress, we passed the non-stress test just fine, she moves all the time.
A family friend of theirs put off a c-section however for two weeks and ended up with a dead baby due to I believe the umbilical cord tightening around the neck, so I see why she is reacting this way. It seems like all of our family just thinks we should do what the doctor says, no matter what.

DH might even be wavering, he told me that what is most important is a healthy baby, not how she gets here. I reminded him that he wasn't the one facing major surgery and he backed off.

Well, I better try to sleep again.

[crazy_eights]

Originally Posted by turtlewomyn

DH might even be wavering, he told me that what is most important is a healthy baby, not how she gets here. I reminded him that he wasn't the one facing major surgery and he backed off.

Well, I better try to sleep again.

Oy. Big hugs to you .

[alegna]

Don't let anyone pressure you. They don't know what they're talking about.

-Angela

[chrissy]

oh mama, it is so totally absolutely unfair that you are having to deal with all of this right now. it makes me so angry that they are using all these scare tactics with you. rub your belly and talk to your baby and she will tell you what to do.

[annakiss]

mama, it's really ultimately up to you, but you need to do what is right for you and your baby and not let people pressure you into doing something that is statistically much more dangerous for you both. You do not have medical cause for a c/s. More

Good luck.

[hotmamacita]

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[Smithie]

hotmamacita has the right idea.

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