Healing the Gut Tribe: October - Page 6

[JaneS]

This is the legal version of Farmer's Cheese:
http://www.friendshipdairies.com/pro...rmerhoop.shtml

[JaneS]

Originally Posted by crunchy_mama

thanks a million, that really helps! looks like I jumped the gun abit on the almond butter, well, cannot stop screwing up...( I am on stage 1 right?) I am doing a little better now. I don't know if this is die off or what, probably is also hormonal. I think I am getting enough fat, I didn't even skim my soup, as I figured I really needed the fat with bf'ing. I just know that somethings got to change. I haven't got any yogurt yet, or made any, our stupid printer isn't working so it is hard to bring these things to the kitchen, plus I guess I need to order the starter.....

Not really, the Pecanbread stages are what was determined to be most easily handled by ASD kids, who have really bad guts.

Nut butters and nut milks are the first stage of adding nuts since they are the easiest to digest b/c they are ground up.

Yes, you need a lot of fat while bf'ing. This is the Weston Price rec's for bf'ing mamas:
http://www.westonaprice.org/children...ormothers.html

[JaneS]

Originally Posted by crunchy_mama

oh, it is good to read that the Welch's is ok, I was worried about that. I felt bad about the grape juice as well, but there is no alternatives in my area..

Sorry. It sucks to be too well informed sometimes... don'tcha just wanna LIVE

[JaneS]

Originally Posted by crunchy_mama

I haven't got any yogurt yet, or made any, our stupid printer isn't working so it is hard to bring these things to the kitchen, plus I guess I need to order the starter.....

Oh and I think you can just use Dannon yogurt for starter, in any grocery store... or any other yogurt... as long as it only has these strains: acidophilus, bulgaricus, thermophilus.

Others I know are okay to use as starters:
Total from Greece
Butterworks organic

[moneca]

Jane - I wish I had a web link for the neuro tests that you could look at. If you pm me your address I'd be glad to make copies of our before and after tests and send them to you along with the suggested supplements. I just ordered the hair test for Sierra from directlabs. I'm going to wait for mine until all the bloody amalgams : are out. Four out three to go. Glad to hear the salt baths are helping. What results are you seeing? I only noticed the speech improvement with Bear since she was already so calm to begin with.

Actually, if you're only going to : with a few things, grape products, peanuts, and strawberries are always most important. These foods tend to mold easily and are treated with strong fungicides when grown conventionally.

Crunchmama - I noticed that you're in MO. Are you near St. Louis? There is a Trader Joe's grocery store in SL and they have lots of organics at cheap prices.

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[crunchy_mama]

thanks for all the info Jane, I am sorry, I probably sound like a total nutcase, kind of feel that way.... although it is hard to admit...

re fats: thanks for the list, it seems that a lot of the rec. I cannot have right now... but I am eating lots of egg yolks(5 today), 1 1/2 T CLO daily, my soup was so gelled together from all the fat today that it was like pudding-, at least 1 serving fish per day.

re yogurt: that is very good to know, I will hopefully have dh fix the printer tomorrow so I can get started on the yogurt, he already has a list for the am(he works nights) now that I know some things I can have

re nuts: oh, that is good news, at least I didn't screw that up, I love almond butter and that is a good way to get extra calories and fat into my diet

re cheese; thanks for the pic, I will keep my eyes peeled, but don't think we have that around here

re die off: I hope you are right. Lil' man and I just took an epsom salt bath(for hemmorhoids ) I will try to do them in the am to maybe help. So, your lil' guy is going through die-off as well? Hugs to you as well!

Yes, it does suck to be well-informed, especially in the middle of nowhere. Ignorance really is bliss!

I am so psyched right now dh is supposed to pick me up some salt-cured ham, I sure hope he can find some without sugar, that will make a great breakfast! I have some apples baking right now drizzled with honey and applejuice, a little treat will be nice.

well, tomorrow is another day< I am optimistic it will be better,cannot be much worse...

[crunchy_mama]

moneca, I am 2.5 hrs south of St. Louis, I like to hit Trader Joes and Whole Foods when we go up there, but it has been a couple of months. We usually visit pretty often, but money is tight right now, hopefully soon though. ARe you from St. Louis? Or just like to visit as well! Dh and I really enjoy it up there, it is going to kill me to not be able to eat some fabulous Indian food our next trip...

[zanelee]

Jane-I think it was Mercola's site that explained that mercury is water soluble, not fat soluble, so the oil of fish would not tend to concentrate it to begin with. And then Carlson's and Nordic Naturals have been rigorously tested for not only mercury but other metals and PCBs and they've been clean.

I'm also on the probiotics thread...and I probably read your post, but couldn't find it again as that thread is so long! :LOL Thanks for the info. I'm going to run by our health food store and see if I can find either of the efa brands you mentioned above.
I know they carry the Nature's Way line. They say that they are mercury free-would you all trust that?

Thanks again!

[Panserbjorne]

Oh my has this thread grown! Welcome everyone (and hello Jessica!) We are still going strong, though I attempted avacado with dd and it didn't go so well. We have a massive rash and a backslide in the eating. I should have waited because I have a significant latex sensitivity, but I wanted avacados back so badly. This means that bananas won't be coming back any time soon.

I found a really yummy raw goat cheddar cheese that is aged over 60 days that the kids love, so we are doing some of that. Though I am really close to making that disappear from our lives.

Fuhrman has a TON of scientific data that backs him up, I don't know where to find him online since I'm not here much myself. I am planning on talking to him soon to get a clearer picture, and if I think about it I'll try to post references out of the books. His objection isn't so much the pasteurization and homoginization as it is that cows milk is designed for a calf which is meant to grow to it's full size in a year. So, when you give cow's (or goat's) milk to human's it causes them to grow too quickly, mature too fast and leaves them susceptible to many different cancers. This is all without the added hazards of extra growth hormones. There is also the problem (which really isn't one of his bigger ones) of toxins in the fat of the milk. Even organic dairy is going to have high levels of things like dioxin. On his top ten list of most dangerous foods to consume cheese and dairy are both close to the top. He says if you are going to do any dairy it should absolutely fat free though it really shouldn't be kept in the house at all. So, I'm still pondering. I'll let you all know (fwiw) what he says when I speak to him.

Good luck everyone, and keep up the good work!

[crunchy_mama]

elisabeth, that is interesting re: dairy from Fuhrman. I can understand the logic that it is meant to be for baby cows. However, it seems that there has/is cultures that consume dairy with virtually very low cancer raters. However, I am just starting out on this journey. That is also interesting about the avocado/banana latex I had never heard that, but there is a lot I haven't heard so I am not surprised. We tried some banana today(which I had froze it was very brown when I did) it seemed to bother my tummy though.

Jennifer- I wouldn't trust anything but the Carlson's or the Nordic Naturals, the Nordic Naturals (from what I understand is the very best) I know the manufacturing process is very important to keep the oils beneficial. So, that is my vote unless someone else has more info.

our update:
today was 200x better. I went to bed early last night and although he nursed a lot, it was much better. He napped much better today as well(I napped with him this morning as well- I had to do some catch up). I was also happy to get to eat some more food, yipee!

Well I had sent dh to get me some ham, he brought home canned ham. He insists that it is just ham and that I can eat it, I told him canned meats were not allowed, besides the fact that it has nitrites in it, which I have always heard are bad- canned meat just skeeves me out anyway.

Lil' man and I went to try and find some ham without sugar today and it ended up being this huge ordeal, needless to say we didn't find any, maybe better luck around Thanksgiving. However, we are going to check a local meat shop on Friday.

I bought some Dannon yogurt and Organic Cows Milk to make yogurt, but am going to wait until tomorrow, because often times things get screwed up when I am trying to cook with lil' man. So, perhaps Friday morning I will have some yogurt.

On the Yogurt; I have this little light that clamps, I am guessing I just need to plug it up and run it into the stove? Dh thought maybe he could build me something, but I think that will work.

Also, does anyone have thoughts on whether or not the yogurt will be beneficial to dh, even though he is no where near to following the diet. I am thinking it won't hurt and he has HUGE yeast issues, so maybe I can at least get him to take that, he took acidophilus before, but it didn't help his 6 yr old rash.

lil' man's poop has been a very deep dark green, don't know if that is good or bad, he is pooping less often, but more at a time, it seems that they are still liquid, but not watery like they were and I have only noticed a little bit of mucus, mostly yesterday (after the cheese incident on Sunday)

and a funny aside (as if I don't write enough) I have a friend who is a HUGE sugar addict; Mt. Dew several times a day cannot get enough cheese, etc. Well, she is trying to cut back on the Dew and last week she also ran out of cheese, although she had other dairy products. She was telling me how horrible she felt, she had to go buy some Dew and cheese and now she feels better. She says she is trying to cut back, but was making crab rangoon as we were talking. To me this should be a huge sign that this is a big issue, she said she had cheese Sat after not having it for a few days and had diarrhea immediately, she said the same thing happened in high school anytime she had cheese. She was bemoaning to me how horrible it was to keep looking in the fridge and nothing looking good because she didn't have cheese! HELLO! I have been off ALL dairy for about a month and have now given up pretty much all carbs, no I have no idea how this feels..... Anywho, she is in such denial. Her dh has Celiac's too, but eats whatever anyway...ugh

Oh and good news;
went to the library and found Sugar Busters- which seems to have some really good recipes and Fats that Heal, Fats that Kill. There are suppsed to be trying to find me Nourishing Traditions and Nutrition and Physical Degeneration for inter-library loan! I am so excited, now hopefully my BTVC book will come in soon, I have so many questions and I hate harrasing you guys all the time.

I am hoping to read some updates from everyone, hope all are doing well!

[JaneS]

Originally Posted by moneca

Jane - I wish I had a web link for the neuro tests that you could look at. If you pm me your address I'd be glad to make copies of our before and after tests and send them to you along with the suggested supplements. I just ordered the hair test for Sierra from directlabs. I'm going to wait for mine until all the bloody amalgams : are out. Four out three to go. Glad to hear the salt baths are helping. What results are you seeing? I only noticed the speech improvement with Bear since she was already so calm to begin with.

We are noticing more calm nighttime and naptime behavior on bath nights (we only do baths every other day). I had been doing the magnesium cream as Karen DeFelice suggested and noticed squat from it.

I can't figure out the magic solution of what is making this kid sleep through the night when he does do it though. It's crazy, it follow no pattern whatsoever. So I'm just going to conclude we have to soldier on.

I was just re-reading BTVC and it mentions how the toxins from bad bacteria interfere with neurotransmitters!

[kamesennin]

Hi Jane, have you tried any massage with your little one? I have used grapeseed oil with Micah and it is sort of like having a bath for us. She only gets a bath once every two weeks so we can't really make bathtime a routine thing.

[JaneS]

Our Update

I'm thinking of putting DS back on the Intro Diet again. Just need to decide about dairy first.

Started him on our organic raw high vitamin butter for a week, didn't notice any major changes. He had some raw cheese, and slept through the night 2 nights in a row so it didn't seem to have an effect. I'll just smack myself if the kid is not allergic to dairy after all, I'm such a dope.

However, he is getting Peptizyde enzymes with them so I know that could make a major difference. We are finally on all 3 Houston enzymes at every meal. But with a snack I choose 1 or 2 depending on what it is... I think I'm supposed to be doing all 3 too? Waiting for the Happy Child Syndrome. Any day now. Yup. Waaaaiting.

Poor thing, I complain about him too much here. He is so loving and sweet most of the time really, it's just nap/bedtime/middle of night that he turns into Monster Child. Tonight in the grocery store he smiled and waved to everyone as usual. He just strikes up conversations... He noticed a half of a tortilla chip in the milk case and said, "Oh no, somebody lost their chip!" (and the kid has had about 2 chips in his entire life too). Then he goes to the nearest lady, "Hey, that your chip?" :LOL

He seems to go through die off constantly. His poops will be great for a few days and then he'll get a massive mushy one without changing his diet. I've been careful for the past 2 months since we started SCD and I cannot figure it out for the life of me. I *think* there are foods such as carrots which is now reacting to (when he didn't before) but maybe it's not specific foods but a general change in his flora that is happening.

It just makes it so much harder to figure out what to give him. He's on a very very limited diet right now.

Because he used to tolerate so much more. I mean the kid had 2-3 cups of rice milk a day, rice or rice pasta, rice cakes, raw fruit every day etc. and had solid brown poops, most of the time. What's changed? Makes me crazy!!!

But maybe all those disaccharides led us to worse gut trouble now.

The other thing I was thinking is that the fact that he was still BF then has changed. So either my milk was protecting him, or since I have removed the source of his metals, me , he is now going through detox and dumping them out into his gut, and therefore making his digestion worse.

We are onto the goat yogurt this week, gotta do it, wish me luck.

[JaneS]

Originally Posted by elisabeth

Fuhrman has a TON of scientific data that backs him up, I don't know where to find him online since I'm not here much myself. I am planning on talking to him soon to get a clearer picture, and if I think about it I'll try to post references out of the books. His objection isn't so much the pasteurization and homoginization as it is that cows milk is designed for a calf which is meant to grow to it's full size in a year. So, when you give cow's (or goat's) milk to human's it causes them to grow too quickly, mature too fast and leaves them susceptible to many different cancers. This is all without the added hazards of extra growth hormones. There is also the problem (which really isn't one of his bigger ones) of toxins in the fat of the milk. Even organic dairy is going to have high levels of things like dioxin. On his top ten list of most dangerous foods to consume cheese and dairy are both close to the top. He says if you are going to do any dairy it should absolutely fat free though it really shouldn't be kept in the house at all. So, I'm still pondering. I'll let you all know (fwiw) what he says when I speak to him.

Sigh.

You had to post this just when I'm starting DS on dairy didn't you...

[JaneS]

Originally Posted by pbandj

Hi Jane, have you tried any massage with your little one? I have used grapeseed oil with Micah and it is sort of like having a bath for us. She only gets a bath once every two weeks so we can't really make bathtime a routine thing.

This was a major fantasy of mine when I was pregnant... I read about it, got several organic oils... and then out came Mr. Wiggly. He just won't stay still to enjoy it, when he was little or now!

[JaneS]

Originally Posted by zanelee

I know they carry the Nature's Way line. They say that they are mercury free-would you all trust that?

Nature's Way cod liver oil capsules?

Two ND's I've spoken with don't trust Nature's Way as a good brand for most things, lots of fillers in their herbs for example. So I tend to stay away from them. BUT Nature's Way Reuteri is a great probiotic so who knows.

[JaneS]

Originally Posted by crunchy_mama

Also, does anyone have thoughts on whether or not the yogurt will be beneficial to dh, even though he is no where near to following the diet. I am thinking it won't hurt and he has HUGE yeast issues, so maybe I can at least get him to take that, he took acidophilus before, but it didn't help his 6 yr old rash.

lil' man's poop has been a very deep dark green, don't know if that is good or bad, he is pooping less often, but more at a time, it seems that they are still liquid, but not watery like they were and I have only noticed a little bit of mucus, mostly yesterday (after the cheese incident on Sunday)

and a funny aside (as if I don't write enough) I have a friend who is a HUGE sugar addict; Mt. Dew several times a day cannot get enough cheese, etc.

Oh and good news;
went to the library and found Sugar Busters- which seems to have some really good recipes and Fats that Heal, Fats that Kill. There are suppsed to be trying to find me Nourishing Traditions and Nutrition and Physical Degeneration for inter-library loan! I am so excited, now hopefully my BTVC book will come in soon, I have so many questions and I hate harrasing you guys all the time.

I am hoping to read some updates from everyone, hope all are doing well!

DEFINATELY re: yogurt and your DH. Like I just posted above, 1 teaspoon of 24 hr. yogurt contains 5x more probiotics than a capsule. Homemade Yogurt is The Key to Healing.

Have you seen this poop link?
http://www.enzymestuff.com/rtstools.htm

Yeah, once you go through such a tremendous diet change, other people's bad habits will look even that much more glaring to you! And just wait til you read NT and Weston Price's book... I'm telling you, your life will change forever. That's one perspective I'm so grateful to my little man for teaching me, the incredible importance of the food we eat. It literally determines health or sickness. Not many people can make that connection.

And I'll be psyched to have another person to discuss "Nutrition and Physical Degeneration" with!

[JaneS]

Originally Posted by crunchy_mama

On the Yogurt; I have this little light that clamps, I am guessing I just need to plug it up and run it into the stove? Dh thought maybe he could build me something, but I think that will work.

BTVC recommends changing the lightbulb in your stove to a 40 or 60 watt bulb, then leaving it on to keep the oven warm enough for the yogurt to stay between 100-110F. Prop the door open with a wooden spoon or something if you need to cool it down a bit.

I've also read a good post on Pecanbread Yahoo list re: making in crock pot set to low. But buffering the bottom with oven mitts and leaving the cover off b/c "low" is usually much much higher than 110 degrees.

I thought I heard about a "yogurt box" that someone's DH made... forget where.

When I was testing my stove method I posted about before... which by the way I have to fiddle with and change the settings since it's about 10 degrees colder in my house now... it was helpful to do test runs with just water in the jars I planned to use. I took the temperature every hour or so at first, to make sure it was keeping steady.

[Pookietooth]

Originally Posted by elisabeth

Fuhrman has a TON of scientific data that backs him up, I don't know where to find him online since I'm not here much myself. I am planning on talking to him soon to get a clearer picture, and if I think about it I'll try to post references out of the books. His objection isn't so much the pasteurization and homoginization as it is that cows milk is designed for a calf which is meant to grow to it's full size in a year. So, when you give cow's (or goat's) milk to human's it causes them to grow too quickly, mature too fast and leaves them susceptible to many different cancers. This is all without the added hazards of extra growth hormones. There is also the problem (which really isn't one of his bigger ones) of toxins in the fat of the milk. Even organic dairy is going to have high levels of things like dioxin. On his top ten list of most dangerous foods to consume cheese and dairy are both close to the top. He says if you are going to do any dairy it should absolutely fat free though it really shouldn't be kept in the house at all.

I have heard the argument before about cow's milk being made to grow a baby cow, but think about the fact that a seed is made to grow a baby plant, an egg is made to grow a baby chick, and frankly, any animal flesh is made to power that particular animal -- isn't it all alien matter that we should be able to break down (with strong guts) to use for what we need it for? I guess I feel like dairy is so much nicer tasting and easier to eat than so much other foods out there, I don't think I could giveit up. As far as fat free, well, I think that's the opposite of Mercola's take on it, isn't it?

[Pookietooth]

Jane, where do you get high vitamin butter, and how do you know it's high in vitamins? Is that a local thing that only someone in your region would be able to do?